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***247 Conspiracy Thread (JFK page 5)

  • jwood05 said...

    That's just people spreading BS lik u guys. Think u guys should get ur heads checked out

    Maybe you are the one that needs to get checked?

    Jeff4SC

  • brem22 said...

    Did I ever say that's what you said? No. You said, "Funny how you get calleda crazy psyco for doubting anything that's put out by the media". No one in this thread has called anyone insane (yet). Why bring it up? It's a straw man. No clear-headed person would call you a psycho for doubting ANYTHING that's put out by the media.

    But they might question your skepticism regarding an event that has world-wide fully comprehensive coverage from thousands of competing news outlets where the circumstances of the events are not in dispute. Especially when the media would have far more to gain from exposing each others lies than participating in some kind of million person cover up.

    Name calling is sprinkled throughout this thread going back to page one, I simply quoted the wrong person when I made that post. My apologies on the confusion.

    This thread was made to discuss interesting topics like JFK, SandyHook, 911 etc for those who actually enjoy those type of discussions. That only works if you know the details of the discussion and as far as I know not one person has suggested that millions of people were in on anything regarding Sandy Hook.

    I too would question someone's skepticism if they thought that, maybe even their sanity as well! It's nothing like that though...

    This post was edited by Red Goodman on 1/15/2013 at 9:29 PM

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  • Most people that I meet don't believe powerful people are conspiring to keep power. Thats baffling.

    Tis a blissful world where the Emperor definitely has invisible clothes, until you have to ponder if he's naked.

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  • Status said...

    Cool thread. This is probably my favorite conspiracy video out there. Damning proof the JFK assassination was an inside job.

    I saw this video (or one like it) a few years ago. I've always wondered what people thought about his security clearly being waved to fall back. It didn't appear as if the men were briefed beforehand that this would be happening...

    This post was edited by Red Goodman on 1/16/2013 at 7:55 AM

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  • Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y6C2YmOLWnM

    He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

    The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

    Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies:

    http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/18/us/connecticut-lanza-guns/index.html

    Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r61PvN4U3x0

    Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. To me it does not seem right to criticize his reaction here, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

    Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTaC580hfPo

    It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. Check out their noses in this picture for further evidence: http://i.imgur.com/iSuf4.jpg

    Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances (here are a few):

    http://imgur.com/hb6kZ,XGWSd#1

    http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/connecticut-school-shooting-official-says-gunman-killed-85094.html

    Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on looks to be taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking anymore. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

    Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example: Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook, listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=%22sandy+hook%22+shooting&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&ei=uMDtUPLKMYnyigLN_4DYDg&ved=0CCEQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1%2F1%2F2012%2Ccd_max%3A12%2F12%2F2012&tbm=

    Well shit, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

    Theory 8: There was a planned FEMA meeting scheduled 20 minutes from the time of the shooting which helped slow down the response time of first responders.(Added due to popular demand). I went to the emergency services website for CT to investigate this. This class is offered regularly. It was offered on 11/17, 11/27, 12/3, 12/6, 12/14, and 12/17
    In fact, digging a little deeper you can see they have had training classes like these for a long time, such as this one way back on 4/2/2012 called Emergency Planning for Schools (2 day course):

    http://www.ct.gov/demhs/ical/eventDetail_page.asp?date_ID=CACBCCCDCE83CDCACA

    These tragedies have been happening for awhile, and so has training people to respond to them. Debunked.

    Other stuff: The people that made this video clearly have their own agenda, which is why they keep bringing up 9/11 and the London bombings (two completely unrelated events). Any time a large, tragic event occurs, many of these conspiracy theorists do their best to gather all of the media reports, then pick and choose to take the media out of context and create their own crazy conspiracy driven narrative for the events that took place. If you are skeptical of this video, you should be. It's crap.

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  • @CMXI - Awesome response. Much thought put into that and I will be changing the OP to something different while leaving reference to your post here on page 5 in its place for "sandy hook" truth seekers. Very well done.

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  • Red Goodman said...

    @CMXI - Awesome response. Much thought put into that and I will be changing the OP to something different while leaving reference to your post here on page 5 in its place for "sandy hook" truth seekers. Very well done.

    Much obliged.

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  • Current Question on the floor:
    Why were JFK's men told to leave his blindside minutes before he was assassinated?
    http://www.youtube.com/v/XY02Qkuc_f8

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  • Red Goodman said...

    Current Question on the floor:Why were JFK's men told to leave his blindside minutes before he was assassinated? http://www.youtube.com/v/XY02Qkuc_f8

    FWIW, I am infinitely more skeptical about JFK's assassination than I am about Sandy Hook. I am 99.9% sure that we (the public) haven't been told anything resembling the truth behind it.

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  • CMXI said...

    FWIW, I am infinitely more skeptical about JFK's assassination than I am about Sandy Hook. I am 99.9% sure that we (the public) haven't been told anything resembling the truth behind it.

    That is probably the one thing that draws me to research any of this to begin with. I'm not (pro or anti) conspiracy. I want the truth and I'll follow the evidence wherever it leads.

    JFK deserves major discussion.

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  • Pursuing Truth on the Kennedy Assassinations
    by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

    Skip to paragraph 6 and begin there. One of the best articles I've seen on this subject.

    Pursuing Truth on the Kennedy Assassinations by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

    http://lewrockwell.com/miller/miller40.1.html

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  • Great photo of the Kennedy's. My eye is drawn to the man in the background behind the photographers. Secrecy service perhaps? He's all business whoever he is.

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  • Wrong thread.

    This post was edited by sf2k4 on 1/16/2013 at 6:06 PM

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  • Red Goodman said...

    Pursuing Truth on the Kennedy Assassinations by Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD

    Skip to paragraph 6 and begin there. One of the best articles I've seen on this subject.

    Will read later

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  • Interesting read on dems and repubs and how they view conspiracy theories.

    Poll: Republicans say Obama’s hiding something - Breanna Edwards - POLITICO.com

    More than a third of Americans the Fairleigh Dickinson...

    www.politico.com
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  • BayTider said...

    Interesting read on dems and repubs and how they view conspiracy theories.

    "Higher levels of education and awareness of current events, however, are linked to a reduction in belief in such theories, the study reported."

    Most important line in the entire article.

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  • BayTider said...

    Interesting read on dems and repubs and how they view conspiracy theories.

    "Democrats and independents with more political knowledge were found to be more likely to dismiss conspiracy theories, while Republicans with more political knowledge were more likely to believe the theories."

    I'd like to hear some opinions on this statement.

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  • Red Goodman said...

    "Democrats and independents with more political knowledge were found to be more likely to dismiss conspiracy theories, while Republicans with more political knowledge were more likely to believe the theories."

    I'd like to hear some opinions on this statement.

    I think it all depends on what the study defines as "political knowledge". If that term means watching MSNBC v. Fox, I would absolutely believe that statement.

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  • CMXI said...

    "Higher levels of education and awareness of current events, however, are linked to a reduction in belief in such theories, the study reported."

    Most important line in the entire article.

    When combined with:

    "The poll also found that 63 percent of registered voters believe at least one political conspiracy theory."

    What does this say about voters in general....

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  • CMXI said...

    I think it all depends on what the study defines as "political knowledge". If that term means watching MSNBC v. Fox, I would absolutely believe that statement.

    True.

    It could also indicate that republicans "might be" more open-minded on controversial issues than people give then credit for.

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  • BayTider said...

    When combined with:

    "The poll also found that 63 percent of registered voters believe at least one political conspiracy theory."

    What does this say about voters in general....

    That's simply a product of growing up in today's instant information age. We have more to consider when viewing catastrophes because we have more info and varying opinions at our disposal in seconds.

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