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4 different mock drafts from NFL Network...

  • All four have Kirkpatrick going to the Cowboys at 14, which I agree with. One analyst has Barron being a late 1st rounder at #31 overall. Another has Barron outside the 1st altogether. Very deep draft for CBs and there aren't any Eric Berry-type safties in this year's crop.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by HowardRoarkAU on 3/9/2012 at 11:24 AM

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  • Seriously doubt Barron will fall that low. He may not be an Eric Berry safety but he's far and away the best in the draft.

    TalHawkins112

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Seriously doubt Barron will fall that low. He may not be an Eric Berry safety but he's far and away the best in the draft.

    "Best in the draft" doesn't really mean you just reach on a guy if it's a very weak class at that position. Much like the 2011 RB class.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • I'm not saying this to be anti Bamako but Barron has always been just "meh" to me.

    Nothing special

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  • Lesticals said...

    I'm not saying this to be anti Bamako but Barron has always been just "meh" to me.

    Nothing special

    I agree. I wanted to see what kind of numbers he would put up at the combine. I bet he is a 4.5-4.6 guy in the 40. Incredible leaping ability but not very fast.

    This post was edited by HowardRoarkAU on 3/9/2012 at 11:32 AM

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  • I'm liking the projection of Peter Kronz for the Ravens. Birk is on his way out even if he comes back and Kronz can play guard or center.

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  • HowardRoarkAU said...

    All four have Kirkpatrick going to the Cowboys at 14, which I agree with. One analyst has Barron being a late 1st rounder at #31 overall. Another has Barron outside the 1st altogether. Very deep draft for CBs and there aren't any Eric Berry-type safties in this year's crop.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-drafts

    If a position is very deep would you not wait and take that position later in the draft after using a higher pick on a position that's not very deep?

    This post was edited by BMoney41747 on 3/9/2012 at 12:06 PM

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  • Casserly is a dumbass.

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  • *B-Money* said...

    If a position is very deep would you not wait and take that position later in the draft after using a higher pick on a position that's not very deep?

    Of course, which is why CB will have at least 3-4 players taken in the first round, while safety will have 0-1.

    Skill guys like CB, WR and QB aren't viewed as the "dime-a-dozen" types in the draft the way that RB/S and often OL/DL.

    This post was edited by HowardRoarkAU on 3/9/2012 at 12:12 PM

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  • HowardRoarkAU said...

    Of course, which is why CB will have at least 3-4 players taken in the first round, while safety will have 0-1.

    Skill guys like CB, WR and QB aren't viewed as the "dime-a-dozen" types in the draft the way that RB/S and often OL/DL.

    I understand where you're coming from but the way you phrase it makes no sense. I believe Claiborne is the only "elite" corner in the draft. Here is how I view the situation. If I'm the Cowboys and I have a need at safety and corner, I take Barron who is clearly the best safety in the draft and then take another corner later. If you truly believe the corner class is "very deep" this is how you should play it IMO.

    BMoney41747

  • *B-Money* said...

    I understand where you're coming from but the way you phrase it makes no sense. I believe Claiborne is the only "elite" corner in the draft. Here is how I view the situation. If I'm the Cowboys and I have a need at safety and corner, I take Barron who is clearly the best safety in the draft and then take another corner later. If you truly believe the corner class is "very deep" this is how you should play it IMO.

    Agreed, if the safety class is weak you take the best safety early so you don't end up with an inferior guy- then you get a CB who is still one of the top 5 guys and very talented.

    TalHawkins112

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Agreed, if the safety class is weak you take the best safety early so you don't end up with an inferior guy- then you get a CB who is still one of the top 5 guys and very talented.

    Exactly. Howard's view is a complete 180 from how a GM would look at the situation.

    BMoney41747

  • *B-Money* said...

    I understand where you're coming from but the way you phrase it makes no sense. I believe Claiborne is the only "elite" corner in the draft. Here is how I view the situation. If I'm the Cowboys and I have a need at safety and corner, I take Barron who is clearly the best safety in the draft and then take another corner later. If you truly believe the corner class is "very deep" this is how you should play it IMO.

    What I'm saying is this... if you need CB and S help, and the draft has 3 sure-fire 1st round talents at CB, but one fringe 1st-2nd round talent at S, you go with the sure things and address CB needs. You don't reach for a guy, especially at that position, when he may otherwise fall out of the 1st round altogether.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • *B-Money* said...

    Exactly. Howard's view is a complete 180 from how a GM would look at the situation.

    Yep. Which is why the best RB in the draft nearly fell out of the 1st altogether last year. And I'm not sure you'll find a Saints fan that is happy with that pick to this day.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • Barron will be a better pro than Dre. That statement may not make me vey popular among the BOL nation but that's how I feel.

    BMoney41747

  • I'm not sure how Mark Barron stacks up with other Safety's, but this is my favorite play of his.

    The replay at the 0:08 mark is amazing.

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    http://www.youtube.com/v/FSm9Xe5VfB4

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Agreed, if the safety class is weak you take the best safety early so you don't end up with an inferior guy- then you get a CB who is still one of the top 5 guys and very talented.

    Or, you put a premium on having a lockdown CB, the way the Jets, Packers and 49ers have, and pick up a veteran safety in free-agency.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • HowardRoarkAU said...

    Yep. Which is why the best RB in the draft nearly fell out of the 1st altogether last year. And I'm not sure you'll find a Saints fan that is happy with that pick to this day.

    Do you have a learning disability? Ingram wasn't clearly the best back in the draft. That's why he fell because rbs are a "dime-a-dozen" for the most part. Nice try to get a little Bama jab in there though.

    BMoney41747

  • HowardRoarkAU said...

    Or, you put a premium on having a lockdown CB, the way the Jets, Packers and 49ers have, and pick up a veteran safety in free-agency.

    Dre's not a lockdown Darelle Revis type corner. He will benefit much more from playing in a zone scheme.

    BMoney41747

  • *B-Money* said...

    Do you have a learning disability? Ingram wasn't clearly the best back in the draft. That's why he fell because rbs are a "dime-a-dozen" for the most part.

    Um, yes, he was the consensus #1 RB in the draft last year. By just about everybody.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • *B-Money* said...

    Dre's not a lockdown Darelle Revis type corner. He will benefit much more from playing in a zone scheme.

    But he is 6'2.5", fast and physical. The draft will always reward freakish measureables and potential.

    HowardRoarkAU

  • HowardRoarkAU said...

    Um, yes, he was the consensus #1 RB in the draft last year. By just about everybody.

    I'm pretty sure he means Ingram wasn't head and shoulders above #2-5.

    MildReTIDEation

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    I'm pretty sure he means Ingram wasn't head and shoulders above #2-5.

    Exactly.

    BMoney41747

  • MildReTIDEation said...

    I'm pretty sure he means Ingram wasn't head and shoulders above #2-5.

    If you're consensus #1, doesn't that mean you're without doubt the best? Who was the #2 RB and when was he drafted? And I'm pretty sure if we were having this conversation this time last year, your stance would be a little different on him being "clearly the best back".

    This post was edited by HowardRoarkAU on 3/9/2012 at 12:35 PM

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