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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I don't have a problem with a cut to a certain program, but not in Ryan's fashion.

    Sadly, I agree with voting on a single-issue etc. like people do with abortion etc.

    so whats your problem with Ryan?

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  • fsufsu said...

    This line of thinking is infuriating to me. What a tertiary issue to vote on. And we are 16 trillion in debt and folks dont want to cut anything.

    Plenty of things to cut. That is just one I fundamentally disagree on and can't get over.

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  • irishyoung420 said...

    so whats your problem with Ryan?

    His tax plan is so far beyond regressive that I can't even think of a word for it.

    I have a problem with Ryan's entire concept of a voucher system. It's not a voucher, a voucher implies something is paid for. Ryan is proposing a privatized coupon system in which insurance companies wield practically all the power over the country's healthcare. The proposed system practically ensures that every single middle or lower-class person will pay more (considerably more) for healthcare than they do now.

    By that same token, his tax plan contains so many loopholes, exceptions, and breaks for the rich that his entire concept of balancing the budget is simply to take more money from the middle and lower class. He wants to balance the budget on the backs of those who can afford it least. Under an already flawed and loophole-filled tax code in 2010, Romney paid an effective income tax rate of 13.9%. That's practically a third of what most of us pay. Under Ryan's proposed plan, Romney would've paid an effective tax rate of 0.82%. That's how regressive and flawed it is.

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  • kitemac said...

    Plenty of things to cut. That is just one I fundamentally disagree on and can't get over.

    Ryan's views on education are staggering to me. He wants to restrict access to education to the point where we're back in the 1800s and the only people who even have an opportunity to go to college are those born wealthy.

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  • CMXI said...

    His tax plan is so far beyond regressive that I can't even think of a word for it.

    I have a problem with Ryan's entire concept of a voucher system. It's not a voucher, a voucher implies something is paid for. Ryan is proposing a privatized coupon system in which insurance companies wield practically all the power over the country's healthcare. The proposed system practically ensures that every single middle or lower-class person will pay more (considerably more) for healthcare than they do now.

    By that same token, his tax plan contains so many loopholes, exceptions, and breaks for the rich that his entire concept of balancing the budget is simply to take more money from the middle and lower class. He wants to balance the budget on the backs of those who can afford it least. Under an already flawed and loophole-filled tax code in 2010, Romney paid an effective income tax rate of 13.9%. That's practically a third of what most of us pay. Under Ryan's proposed plan, Romney would've paid an effective tax rate of 0.82%. That's how regressive and flawed it is.

    anything good Ryan brings to the table?

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  • CMXI said...

    Ryan's views on education are staggering to me. He wants to restrict access to education to the point where we're back in the 1800s and the only people who even have an opportunity to go to college are those born wealthy.

    Pell grants aren't welfare. You are giving money to people to improve themselves and most likely make more money meaning more tax revenues for the person. A lot of people that have succeeded in business needed Pell Grants to go to school. IMO it is very short sighted and would hurt this country more than help. The less people that go to college the dumber this country gets. Cutting Pell Grants would create a lot of people to not go to college.

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  • kitemac said...

    Pell grants aren't welfare. You are giving money to people to improve themselves and most likely make more money meaning more tax revenues for the person. A lot of people that have succeeded in business needed Pell Grants to go to school. IMO it is very short sighted and would hurt this country more than help. The less people that go to college the dumber this country gets. Cutting Pell Grants would create a lot of people to not go to college.

    I completely agree. One of the reasons I was able to go to the schools I've gone to is Pell Grants. There's a reason this country boomed as more and more people gained access to education. Education leads to innovation which leads to profit.

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  • irishyoung420 said...

    anything good Ryan brings to the table?

    He has nice hair? shrug

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  • CMXI said...

    He has nice hair? shrug

    I take that as a no

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  • How about we take a look at the cost of education in this country. Inflation rate in higher education. Why?

    LBU59

  • irishyoung420 said...

    I take that as a no

    Nothing I've seen yet. If you can show me something worthwhile about him, I'm all ears. I have yet to see any redeeming qualities.

    On top of that, thinking from a strictly strategic perspective, he doesn't make any sense as a VP pick. He doesn't provide Romney with any new votes, and if anything, he polarizes moderates away from Romney. There's a reason Michele Bachmann isn't still in the race - tea party politics can win elections in small, insular communities, but not in national elections.

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  • CMXI said...

    Nothing I've seen yet. If you can show me something worthwhile about him, I'm all ears. I have yet to see any redeeming qualities.

    On top of that, thinking from a strictly strategic perspective, he doesn't make any sense as a VP pick. He doesn't provide Romney with any new votes, and if anything, he polarizes moderates away from Romney. There's a reason Michele Bachmann isn't still in the race - tea party politics can win elections in small, insular communities, but not in national elections.

    don't have the time as of this moment but even if I provided something I know it would not do chit for you.

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  • CMXI, just a question.
    are you happy with the job Obama has done?

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  • irishyoung420 said...

    don't have the time as of this moment but even if I provided something I know it would not do chit for you.

    On the contrary. I'm very open to any politician who actually does good things. If there's evidence of Paul Ryan doing something good, I want to see it. Don't think that I won't consider it. I've voted for Republican candidates before because I believe their policies are better than their Democratic counterpart. Anyone who just votes a straight party ticket without considering each individual candidate is an idiot.

    Please, show me something Paul Ryan has done that you consider a good thing.

    As for the job Obama has done - I'm not completely happy with it, but I recognize there are a number of areas where my unhappiness is not his fault. I'm not happy with the way he has staffed his cabinet, I'm not happy with his response to NDAA/wiretapping, and I'm not happy with how he has given ground on too many issues. On the other hand, I am happy with some measures he's taken to help the economy recover.

    The biggest thing though, is that I haven't had a fair opportunity to judge what he has done. No president in history has faced an obstructionist Congress like Obama has. It's simply a joke to see how many politicians care more about thwarting anything Obama proposes, regardless of how good it might be for the country. God forbid Obama get credit for a job-creating initiative - rather than allow Obama's name to be attached to a good thing, Republican politicians tanked a jobs bill dedicated to easing the high unemployment created by the recession. If Obama didn't have a Congress dedicated to making him a "one-term president", I think I'd be much more happy with the job he has done.

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  • This guy seems to like him.

    Erskine Bowles
    former Bill Clinton deputy chief of staff, and democratic co-chair of Obama's National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (whose recommendations he ultimately ignored). Also the heir apparent to Geithner should O win a second term.

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    Erskine Bowles: Ryan budget is "sensible.....

    From September 8, 2011 - University of North Carolina

    http://www.youtube.com/v/dbzpuqWo6yU
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  • why do americans constantly think that running a business is a good thing for an economy?

    seriously... business does not have the wherewithal to be able to run a triple bottom line, much less the conglomeration of bottom lines involved in governing a country.

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  • kitemac said...

    Pell grants aren't welfare. You are giving money to people to improve themselves and most likely make more money meaning more tax revenues for the person. A lot of people that have succeeded in business needed Pell Grants to go to school. IMO it is very short sighted and would hurt this country more than help. The less people that go to college the dumber this country gets. Cutting Pell Grants would create a lot of people to not go to college.

    Good point.

    Pell grants are an investment in human capital, which for various reasons the "free-market" is incapable of providing at a low interest rate.

    rms02d

  • GoingLightBarny said...

    why do americans constantly think that running a business is a good thing for an economy?

    seriously... business does not have the wherewithal to be able to run a triple bottom line, much less the conglomeration of bottom lines involved in governing a country.

    So being a community organizer is the ticket!

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  • LBU59 said...

    So being a community organizer is the ticket!

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  • irishyoung420 said...

    Great picture! Since you clearly have enough time to find funny pictures of Obama, you probably have enough time to point me towards something good that Paul Ryan has done. Please enlighten me.

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  • CMXI said...

    Great picture! Since you clearly have enough time to find funny pictures of Obama, you probably have enough time to point me towards something good that Paul Ryan has done. Please enlighten me.

    Got a budget passes. More than I can say for the dems in the senate.

    LBU59

  • CMXI said...

    Great picture! Since you clearly have enough time to find funny pictures of Obama, you probably have enough time to point me towards something good that Paul Ryan has done. Please enlighten me.

    have had that pic forever but thanks thumbsup2
    he can balance his checkbook, that should be a start

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    This post was edited by rms02d on 8/13/2012 at 2:25 PM

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  • LBU59 said...

    Got a budget passes. More than I can say for the dems in the senate.

    So explain how lowering the capital gains tax rate to 0% helps the lower/middle class and/or the budget?

    Please don't try to explain that the wealth "trickles down" That didn't work to well last time.

    This post was edited by rms02d on 8/13/2012 at 2:24 PM

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  • rms02d said...

    Um, I hope you realize that the "paul ryan" budget never passed the Senate.

    That's the point. The dems haven't passed one in the senate for years.

    This post was edited by LBU59 on 8/13/2012 at 2:26 PM

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