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A Little Gun History

  • LScootU said...

    You use Australia, do they have gangs and drugs like America?? Do they have blacks, Mexicans, whites, and Asians all living in the same city. Y'all are using countries that are nothing like America

    Australia is very ethnically diverse.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Australia is very ethnically diverse.

    Australia and the US are quite similar. Both large and diverse, far away from their mother land of Britain, with much open space and previous gun cultures.

    Hot Sauce

  • LScootU said...

    Oh well grow balls and get over it. Your kind is what's wrong with America. Your to big of a pussy to except anything

    You are a crazy person. You can't use proper grammer and you also failed to acknowledge that Hot Sauce was right about Japan.

    UMWolverines

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Australia is very ethnically diverse.

    lol White is 92%, Asian is 7%, and 1% other, very diverse huh

    LScootU

  • UMWolverines said...

    You are a crazy person. You can't use proper grammer and you also failed to acknowledge that Hot Sauce was right about Japan.

    Again Japan is very different than America, you can not use a country like that to measure what would happen in America

    LScootU

  • shavisimo2 said...

    The Japan part wasn't wrong. They have the lowest gun homicide rate in the world at .02% vs. the US at 3.7%. So that part was correct. And he was correct that Japan is pretty much the toughest place to get a gun.

    So at best he was only half wrong.

    Japan has a completely different culture than ours. If Americans tried to uphold honor like the Japanese then it would be a different story. I mean were talking about a culture where men commit suicide for offending people or by letting loved ones down. America is a highly populated, multi cultural nation with ghetto's on one corner and wealthy neighborhoods on the next. If there was ever a place where people needed guns for protection its the US.

    And if the president tries to use executive privilege to bypass congress and the constitution then we will have a civil war in this country. And it won't go to well because the cops and military personnel who would be asked to take our guns are themselves the biggest believers in the 2nd amendment.

    Its simple to me. Liberals want to make it illegal to own certain guns or any gun truth be told. How has that worked for drugs or for alcohol during prohibition? It doesn't work and criminals are the beneficiaries of such laws. How you can refute that is beyond me. Its illegal to own drugs yet they are everywhere and are obtainable by anyone, even high school kids.

    And those figures on Australia are correct from what I've seen. Also in Australia you have to store your legal gun unloaded and must keep the ammo locked up in a separate location. Wtf? How are you suppose to defend yourself? By asking the intruder to hold on a minute while you get your gun, go to where the ammo is, unlock it and then load your gun? Stupidity.

    Leave us gun owners alone. That or ban everything that kills people and especially kids. No more swimming pools or toys with chokable parts. No more cars or four wheelers and dirt bikes. No more dogs....yes dogs kill children every year. No more cigarettes or alcohol. Wait we already went over how banning alcohol works...scratch that. No more football or basketball since kids die during sporting events as well. Heat strokes kill kids every year. No more sun since it produces heat. Wait we'd freeze to death then. Hmm....thats a tricky one, damned if you do, damned if you don't. That kinda sums up this whole situation nicely.

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  • Hot Sauce said...

    It's amazing they continue to let you say this garbage daily. You're one of the most ignorant and uninformed members on here. Get a life.

    Oh well

    LScootU

  • Using the stats from the OP would be like saying around the time we freed slaves a very large proportion of our pop. died, and then blaming it on blacks while 'forgetting' to mention the civil war.

    SCirish843

  • samdog91 said...

    Japan has a completely different culture than ours. If Americans tried to uphold honor like the Japanese then it would be a different story. I mean were talking about a culture where men commit suicide for offending people or by letting loved ones down. America is a highly populated, multi cultural nation with ghetto's on one corner and wealthy neighborhoods on the next. If there was ever a place where people needed guns for protection its the US.

    And if the president tries to use executive privilege to bypass congress and the constitution then we will have a civil war in this country. And it won't go to well because the cops and military personnel who would be asked to take our guns are themselves the biggest believers in the 2nd amendment.

    Its simple to me. Liberals want to make it illegal to own certain guns or any gun truth be told. How has that worked for drugs or for alcohol during prohibition? It doesn't work and criminals are the beneficiaries of such laws. How you can refute that is beyond me. Its illegal to own drugs yet they are everywhere and are obtainable by anyone, even high school kids.

    And those figures on Australia are correct from what I've seen. Also in Australia you have to store your legal gun unloaded and must keep the ammo locked up in a separate location. Wtf? How are you suppose to defend yourself? By asking the intruder to hold on a minute while you get your gun, go to where the ammo is, unlock it and then load your gun? Stupidity.

    Leave us gun owners alone. That or ban everything that kills people and especially kids. No more swimming pools or toys with chokable parts. No more cars or four wheelers and dirt bikes. No more dogs....yes dogs kill children every year. No more cigarettes or alcohol. Wait we already went over how banning alcohol works...scratch that. No more football or basketball since kids die during sporting events as well. Heat strokes kill kids every year. No more sun since it produces heat. Wait we'd freeze to death then. Hmm....thats a tricky one, damned if you do, damned if you don't. That kinda sums up this whole situation nicely.

    This is exactly the kind of absurdity that is laughable.

    Except the Japanese part. You have a point there. By the way, they don't do Seppuku anymore.

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  • LScootU said...

    lol White is 92%, Asian is 7%, and 1% other, very diverse huh

    Being white isnt an ethnicity. facepalm_msu

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  • Oh Jesus Christ Again with the Nazis confiscated guns myth...

    The 1938 German Weapons Act...

    The 1938 German Weapons Act, superseded the 1928 law(which was created by the Wiemar Republic to combat violent political groups like Hitlers Brownshirts and the Communists) As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

    Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition.

    The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition.

    The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.

    The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.

    The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.

    Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition.

    Derpa fucking derpa der... The 1938 law actually increased access to guns for the average citizen, except the Jews. But whats the point of debating about facts here?

    This post was edited by rms02d on 12/18/2012 at 10:46 PM

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  • LScootU said...

    *  In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.  This doesn't include the 30 million 'Uncle Joe' starved to death in the Ukraine.

    The 30 million starved to death in the Ukraine is completely inaccurate bullshit.

    Could you please provide the website link with all this "intelligent research"

    If they are claming 30 million people starved to death in the Ukraine, when it was closer to 4-5 million in all of the USSR, I seriously question the accuracy of any of the other bullshit cited in your bullshit research.

    The Nazis didn't take away guns either.

    There are a lot of holes in your "research"

    rms02d

  • Bottom line is the OP posted some idiotic chain letter/facebook status with data that is absolute trash.

    Then we have a guy come in and spam the thread with Aurora conspiracy theories.

    And people trying to rationalize the ownership of assault rifles....

    Great thread. swirl

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  • This thread absolutely ridiculous. This issue is much bigger than just guns. To think that's it's that black and white is retarded. This issue is a multiple layered and complex issue and sorry "If we only have an assault weapons ban than it will solve the problem" is ludicrous.
    We live in a society that glorifies death and violence, (video games, music, movies.)
    We don't have the proper resources to help families who have a loved one that's suffering from mental illness.
    We have lost respect for one another, just look at our political conversations or even conversations on this board.

    The sad thing is there are those who see this as an opportunity to further their political agenda and will use this horrific incident as a cover. to me that is repulsive and down right sinister.

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  • Status said...

    roflmao

    Reminds me of...

    humans..... ugh they make me sick. like a rabid pack of dogs.

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  • rms02d said...

    The 30 million starved to death in the Ukraine is completely inaccurate bullshit.

    Could you please provide the website link with all this "intelligent research"

    If they are claming 30 million people starved to death in the Ukraine, when it was closer to 4-5 million in all of the USSR, I seriously question the accuracy of any of the other bullshit cited in your bullshit research.

    The Nazis didn't take away guns either.

    There are a lot of holes in your "research"

    I got it from your mom while I was pounding her

    LScootU

  • condoms USuCk said...

    This thread absolutely ridiculous. This issue is much bigger than just guns. To think that's it's that black and white is retarded. This issue is a multiple layered and complex issue and sorry "If we only have an assault weapons ban than it will solve the problem" is ludicrous. We live in a society that glorifies death and violence, (video games, music, movies.) We don't have the proper resources to help families who have a loved one that's suffering from mental illness. We have lost respect for one another, just look at our political conversations or even conversations on this board.

    The sad thing is there are those who see this as an opportunity to further their political agenda and will use this horrific incident as a cover. to me that is repulsive and down right sinister.

    The sad part is part of the reason we've lost respect for each other is because we can flame the hell out of anyone we want to over the internet and through texting. I believe it has a direct impact on how we act in real life.

    UMWolverines

  • rms02d said...

    Oh Jesus Christ Again with the Nazis confiscated guns myth...

    The 1938 German Weapons Act...

    The 1938 German Weapons Act, superseded the 1928 law(which was created by the Wiemar Republic to combat violent political groups like Hitlers Brownshirts and the Communists) As under the 1928 law, citizens were required to have a permit to carry a firearm and a separate permit to acquire a firearm. Furthermore, the law restricted ownership of firearms to "...persons whose trustworthiness is not in question and who can show a need for a (gun) permit." Under the new law:

    Gun restriction laws applied only to handguns, not to long guns or ammunition.

    The 1938 revisions completely deregulated the acquisition and transfer of rifles and shotguns, as well as ammunition.

    The groups of people who were exempt from the acquisition permit requirement expanded. Holders of annual hunting permits, government workers, and NSDAP party members were no longer subject to gun ownership restrictions. Prior to the 1938 law, only officials of the central government, the states, and employees of the German Reichsbahn Railways were exempted.

    The age at which persons could own guns was lowered from 20 to 18.

    The firearms carry permit was valid for three years instead of one year.

    Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition.

    Derpa fucking derpa der... The 1938 law actually increased access to guns for the average citizen, except the Jews. But whats the point of debating about facts here?

    Could you remind us who the Nazis exterminated/ targeted more than any other opposition group?

    Derpa derpa to you, idiot.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    This is exactly the kind of absurdity that is laughable.

    Except the Japanese part. You have a point there. By the way, they don't do Seppuku anymore.

    Seppuku was performed through WWII by the Japanese soldiers, and I read about an incident that occurred not too long ago.

    Instead of seppuku they have turned to self-immolation, in the recent decades.

    This post was edited by Seeking4Truth on 12/19/2012 at 12:40 AM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    This is exactly the kind of absurdity that is laughable.

    Except the Japanese part. You have a point there. By the way, they don't do Seppuku anymore.

    They dont slice open their stomachs anymore, well very rarely. But they do jump off buildings and hang themselves. Their suicide rate in the corporate world is ridiculous. And if they are ruined financially they will kill themselves to benefit their families. Doing harm to others for no reason is very taboo and would shame the entire family. Completely different culture. I mean good lord, one of their army captains was still carrying out guerilla warfare in the Philippines until the 70's because he hadnt been relieved from his post by a superior officer even though he was told the war was over several years earlier. Thats honor. Something most Americans know nothing about anymore sadly.

    And no none of what I said is absurd. I think its absurd that you think bad things will quit happening if we ban certain guns and ammo clip size. Thats as absurd as it gets. You will never take away our hand guns and as the shooter at VT demonstrated, hand guns are very lethal. And yes even with a 12 round clip.

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  • samdog91 said...

    They dont slice open their stomachs anymore, well very rarely. But they do jump off buildings and hang themselves. Their suicide rate in the corporate world is ridiculous. And if they are ruined financially they will kill themselves to benefit their families. Doing harm to others for no reason is very taboo and would shame the entire family. Completely different culture. I mean good lord, one of their army captains was still carrying out guerilla warfare in the Philippines until the 70's because he hadnt been relieved from his post by a superior officer even though he was told the war was over several years earlier. Thats honor. Something most Americans know nothing about anymore sadly.

    And no none of what I said is absurd. I think its absurd that you think bad things will quit happening if we ban certain guns and ammo clip size. Thats as absurd as it gets. You will never take away our hand guns and as the shooter at VT demonstrated, hand guns are very lethal. And yes even with a 12 round clip.

    Why is it so hard to have a conversation about gun control without people putting words into other's mouths?

    NEVER ONCE have I said that if we do something that "things will quit happening".

    Psych tests, smaller magazines, bans on assault rifles, increased community involvement in awareness and prevention, buyback programs etc.

    These are all measures that are based on the trends in mass murders. They are measures that are meant to minimize the effectiveness of the common gunman in mass murders by making sure it is hard as possible if not impossible for an unstable individuals to get their hands on the most effecient weapons and if they do, they need to be frustrated with smaller magazines and handguns or shotguns and they need to be bigger targets for law enforcement and CCLs.

    This isn't about some unrealistic dream of ending all death. That's a load of shit. This is about minimizing mass murders in this country. Period.

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  • rms02d said...

    Oh Jesus Christ Again with the Nazis confiscated guns myth...

    The 1938 German Weapons Act...

    Jews were forbidden from the manufacturing or ownership of firearms and ammunition.

    Derpa fucking derpa der... The 1938 law actually increased access to guns for the average citizen, except the Jews. But whats the point of debating about facts here?

    And how many Jews died in the holocaust?? This has to be the worst argument I've ever seen. Congrats on being dumber than Hot Sauce

    LScootU

  • So what are the numbers if you just ban semi-autos, hand guns and extended clips? People with rifles and shotguns can't defend themselves?

    getmyjive11

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    That's a legitimate beef, but Canada and Australia are pretty similar gun cultures but they have better stats than us.

    And yet with better stats people from all over the world would still give their left testicle to come to America and live. Stats mean little. America is great for a reason but its slowly turning into a place where many Americans are willing to give up freedoms that have been enjoyed so long because the acts of so few.

    This post was edited by DrStache on 12/19/2012 at 8:42 AM

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  • I bet it would do more good if we banned all liberal hippies.

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