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* In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. This doesn't include the 30 million 'Uncle Joe' starved to death in the Ukraine.
* In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.
* China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. The total dead are said to be 2-3 million
* Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, 1-2 million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
* Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million at a bare minimum.
* Gun owners in Australia were forced by new law to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed by their own government, a program costing Australia taxpayers more than $500 million dollars. The first year results:
Australia-wide, homicides went up 3.2 percent
Australia-wide, assaults went up 8.6 percent
Australia-wide, armed robberies went up 44 percent (yes, 44 percent)
In the state of Victoria alone, homicides with firearms are now up 300 percent. Note that while the law-abiding citizens turned them in, the criminals did not, and criminals still possess their guns.
It will never happen here? I bet the Aussies said that too.
While figures over the previous 25 years showed a steady DECREASE in armed robbery with firearms, that changed drastically upward in the first year after gun confiscation...since criminals now are guaranteed that their prey is unarmed.
There has also been a dramatic increase in break-ins and assaults of the ELDERLY. Australian politicians are at a loss to explain how public safety has decreased, after such monumental effort and expense was expended in successfully ridding Australian society of guns. The Australian experience and the other historical facts above prove it.
You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late.
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind him of this history lesson.
With Guns...........We Are "Citizens". Without Them........We Are "Subjects".
During W.W.II the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED.
Note: Admiral Yamamoto who crafted the attack on Pearl Harbor had attended Harvard University 1919-1921 & was Naval Attaché to the U. S. 1925-28. Most of our Navy was destroyed at Pearl Harbor and our Army had been deprived of funding and was ill prepared to defend the country.
It was reported that when asked why Japan did not follow up the Pearl Harbor attack with an invasion of the U. S. Mainland, his reply was that he had lived in the U. S. and knew that almost all households had guns.
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CliftonHokie09 said...
This entire email chain was debunked by FactCheck.
This is too complex of an issue to say we need to take a stance one way or another. We need a comprehensive approach that will tackle both guns, mental health, and our culture as a whole. It's going to take a while for that to happen, but these shootings are becoming a trend and the status quo no longer is an option IMO.
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CliftonHokie09 said...
Why would you need a gun like that though? Would you be ok if you were able to rent them for use at gun ranges? I understand the collectible aspect, but if you bought a model that could not be used would that suffice as well?
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Marshall Nole said...
I don't need half the shit in my house. I WANT it. And I am not okay with renting it as I can't customize it to my liking.
I also wouldn't be okay with not being able to use it.
BTW your arrogance offends me.
Who are you to tell me what I need? That is the problem with liberals like you. You all think you are so much smarter than everyone else that you know what people need and don't need, should and shouldn't have, etc. Just mind your business and we will do the same. Make sense?
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Marshall Nole said...
I don't need half the shit in my house. I WANT it. And I am not okay with renting it as I can't customize it to my liking.
I also wouldn't be okay with not being able to use it.
BTW your arrogance offends me.
Who are you to tell me what I need? That is the problem with liberals like you. You all think you are so much smarter than everyone else that you know what people need and don't need, should and shouldn't have, etc. Just mind your business and we will do the same. Make sense?
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Man oh man. Funny how you are offended that I told you what you need, but you have no problem telling me what my problem is. BTW I never told you what you needed. I asked why you needed it because I wanted to know. I never said you didn't need the gun. From my perspective, I do not need a gun like that so I wanted to see why someone does need it. You can ask me what my problem is and I'll tell you that I'm sick of the gun violence. I saw it destroy my school in 2007 and want to make sure that other communities do not have to go through the same situation that myself and fellow classmates went through.
All I did was try to ask a question. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with you asking if you would compromise. What I would like is to see this country not as dependent on guns and live in peace where civilians would have no need for guns, but that doesn't mean I want to ban all guns because I understand that others do not feel the same as me and are not willing to give up their guns. The 2nd Amendment has become ingrained in our society and I don't understand the reason why.
I would like to mind my own business, but I can't because that would be the status quo. I've said that the status quo in this situation is not an option because we're seeing mass shootings becoming a trend. So I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with those that are gun advocates, especially automatic weapons.
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rms02d said...
Sigh,
Lets try this again.
Please re-read the fabrication you cited in your original post...
"Germany ESTABLISHED gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, leaving a populace unable to defend itself against the Gestapo and SS. Hundreds of thousands died as a result.
Again... Gun laws were created under the Weimar Republic in 1928. Hitler didn't ESTABLISH gun control. This is a complete lie. They deregulated gun control for everyone except the a small group of citizens that they essentially already declared war with. The Nazis also took away passports, the right to run a business, the right to own real estate, etc. Jews were part of the intelligentsia and merchant class in Germany and few if any had guns in the first place.
Approx 6 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. However, over 95% of these were killed after WWII started with the invasion of Poland. Most of them were citizens of Poland, Ukraine and places not called Germany.
Much of the information you have cited is clearly incorrect or distorted history in order to affirm a preconceived belief structure.
The gun control laws that are cited in reference to Stalin are also about 20 years away from the actual date. But have fun making up numbers and data. Gun laws were enacted after an assassination attempt on Lenin in 1918. But enactment and enforcement are two different things. Thousands of ARMED citizens fought and sabotaged the Germans after they occupied the USSR. They clearly still kept their guns from WWI and the Russian Civil War.
One of the first groups targeted by Stalin during the purges was Military Officers. They ALL HAD GUNS, yet surprisingly, the only ones that ever used their guns were the ones that were given the option to commit suicide before arrest.
Stalin then targeted the Kulaks and Peasants for stealing grain, hoarding Vodka, etc. But I am sure they all just turned in their guns once the law was passed, even though the penalties for hoarding grain were more severe than the 400 ruble fine for owning a shotgun.
Haven't you ever read 1984? Having guns isn't going to save a population from Totalitarian governments. The people that survived the Stalin area, weren't the ones that fought back with guns. There were multiple peasant uprisings with GUNS and they were all brutally suppressed. Totalitarian governments turn everyone into an individual. The people that survived were the ones that snitched on their friends first. Many of the people that were killed by Stalin died because their neighbor didn't like their loud music, or thier wife wanted to marry the guy across the street.
Have fun distorting history in order to reaffirm your opinions.
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Man oh man. Funny how you are offended that I told you what you need, but you have no problem telling me what my problem is. BTW I never told you what you needed. I asked why you needed it because I wanted to know. I never said you didn't need the gun. From my perspective, I do not need a gun like that so I wanted to see why someone does need it. You can ask me what my problem is and I'll tell you that I'm sick of the gun violence. I saw it destroy my school in 2007 and want to make sure that other communities do not have to go through the same situation that myself and fellow classmates went through.
All I did was try to ask a question. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with you asking if you would compromise. What I would like is to see this country not as dependent on guns and live in peace where civilians would have no need for guns, but that doesn't mean I want to ban all guns because I understand that others do not feel the same as me and are not willing to give up their guns. The 2nd Amendment has become ingrained in our society and I don't understand the reason why.
I would like to mind my own business, but I can't because that would be the status quo. I've said that the status quo in this situation is not an option because we're seeing mass shootings becoming a trend. So I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with those that are gun advocates, especially automatic weapons.
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I have a gun like that because they are fun to shoot. Me and my friends like setting up targets and seeing who can hit them, at how far, things of that nature. It's what we are into. I could never shoot someone for know reason, it would be hard to shoot someone trying to harm me.
I do not believe its right to take guns away from individuals, like myself, who have no intention of harming anyone.
Do I believe we should have tougher laws about purchasing guns, absolutely. Do I think it will stop criminals from getting them, definitely not. But if it stops one person than it helps IMO. Why So Serious?
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Man oh man. Funny how you are offended that I told you what you need, but you have no problem telling me what my problem is. BTW I never told you what you needed. I asked why you needed it because I wanted to know. I never said you didn't need the gun. From my perspective, I do not need a gun like that so I wanted to see why someone does need it. You can ask me what my problem is and I'll tell you that I'm sick of the gun violence. I saw it destroy my school in 2007 and want to make sure that other communities do not have to go through the same situation that myself and fellow classmates went through.
All I did was try to ask a question. I tried to have a reasonable discussion with you asking if you would compromise. What I would like is to see this country not as dependent on guns and live in peace where civilians would have no need for guns, but that doesn't mean I want to ban all guns because I understand that others do not feel the same as me and are not willing to give up their guns. The 2nd Amendment has become ingrained in our society and I don't understand the reason why.
I would like to mind my own business, but I can't because that would be the status quo. I've said that the status quo in this situation is not an option because we're seeing mass shootings becoming a trend. So I'm trying to have a reasonable discussion with those that are gun advocates, especially automatic weapons.
This post was edited by Marshall Nole on 12/19/2012 at 12:17 PM
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I have a gun like that because they are fun to shoot. Me and my friends like setting up targets and seeing who can hit them, at how far, things of that nature. It's what we are into. I could never shoot someone for know reason, it would be hard to shoot someone trying to harm me.
I do not believe its right to take guns away from individuals, like myself, who have no intention of harming anyone.
Do I believe we should have tougher laws about purchasing guns, absolutely. Do I think it will stop criminals from getting them, definitely not. But if it stops one person than it helps IMO.This post was edited by ThaJoker on 12/19/2012 at 12:16 PM
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BamaLivesFootba said...
And what's taking this country doww the god damn shitter is the fact that we fail as a nation in having a realistic, reasonable and progressive conversation about what needs fixing in this country. We can't address shit because everything is black and white, all in or out, zero sum game. It's either win or lose, but no one wins and everyone loses.
This thread is a perfect example. So good job.
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A Little Gun History