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  • BillyEN4C said...

    But look dude you can't throw away teams that are #2 or #3 because they didn't win their conference. That's just crap

    I would rather risk taking a team that won their conference over approx 8 weeks of playing each other, than a team that was voted there by people who rarely watch the games outside their own conference.

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 5/17/2012 at 6:21 AM

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    So you can't tell LSU was significantly better than Iowa State last year? You sound pretty objective.

    I can name the top three teams last year going into the bowl games. Can you? It was pretty easy for me too

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    You gotta draw the line somewhere bud

    LSU got screwed last year. They beat Bama once. And they had to play an extra game in the SECCG. And they had a tougher schedule, playing both WVU and Oregon in the OOC. Both LSU and Bama end up with one loss, to each other, but Bama gets the crystal football.

    Of course you have to draw the line somewhere, but it is your attitude that everyone who does not agree with you is a retard that is the problem. No system is perfect, including yours. There are pros and cons to each one. And just because some people like their slightly flawed ideas better than your slightly flawed idea does not make them retards.

    MrWoodson

  • dpfenny said...

    I would rather risk taking a team that won their conference over approx 8 weeks of playing each other, than a team that was voted there by people who rarely watch the games outside their own conference.

    So you rather take a chance on a cusa or on the big east champ than a # 2 sec team. I dont know who you root for but you might want to think about that for a second. Your team gettin snubbed for that

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    But look dude you can't throw away teams that are #2 or #3 because they didn't win their conference. That's just crap

    No, it's not. It depends on who #2 and #3 are and who #5 and #6 are. Again, I give you the example we had from last year: Stanford v. Oregon. This is not some crazy hypothetical, but the exact situation we had last year. For the heck of it, let's just change the names of the teams to Auburn and Alabama and assume that Alabama had beaten Auburn and won the SEC but for some crazy reason Auburn ended up ranked #4 and Alabama ended up ranked #5. That makes sense to you? And you have no problem with that?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 5/17/2012 at 6:25 AM

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    So you rather take a chance on a cusa or on the big east champ than a # 2 sec team. I dont know who you root for but you might want to think about that for a second. Your team gettin snubbed for that

    Explain how it would be taking a chance on a CUSA team over the #2 in the SEC? Doesn't that mean the CUSA champ would have been ranked higher than say the B10, B12 or SEC champ? What is wrong, you do not trust the rankings?

    dpfenny

  • MrWoodson said...

    I'm the last person you will ever find defending the computers. I look at those rankings every week and laugh. Not to mention they are all different, sometimes by a big margin. How can the computers be right if they are all different?

    Yup- All one has to do is look at the computer rankings with and w/out M.O.V. and they will see what a fix it is.
    Most of the PAC & Big Ten teams rankings drop and the SEC, ACC teams tend to improve when the MOV is removed.

    Slive and his BCS boys really got over on Delaney & Hansen in this aspect of the BCS.
    I thought Delaney was suppose to be a smart guy?
    Scott, I guess he hasn't been around very long, but doubtful he would figure it out anyway
    since he comes from a tennis background.

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    So you rather take a chance on a cusa or on the big east champ than a # 2 sec team. I dont know who you root for but you might want to think about that for a second. Your team gettin snubbed for that

    You are coming up with crazy hypotheticals. When was the last time a CUSA or Big East team were ranked in the top 6? The only ones I can think of are maybe one of RR's WVU teams and maybe Brian Kelly's final Cincy team. They were very good teams, btw. And I will have to go back and look, but both probably ended up in the top 4 to begin with. Of course, if they didn't, then they would need to have ended up at #5 or #6 or this discussion doesn't even matter. CUSA? Really? You are reaching, dude.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MrWoodson on 5/17/2012 at 6:30 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    LSU got screwed last year. They beat Bama once. And they had to play an extra game in the SECCG. And they had a tougher schedule, playing both WVU and Oregon in the OOC. Both LSU and Bama end up with one loss, to each other, but Bama gets the crystal football.

    Of course you have to draw the line somewhere, but it is your attitude that everyone who does not agree with you is a retard that is the problem. No system is perfect, including yours. There are pros and cons to each one. And just because some people like their slightly flawed ideas better than your slightly flawed idea does not make them retards.

    Lol come on dude it's all it fun. Nothing will be perfect but i just don't see how after what happened in the title game anyone can still argue they want conference champions only. If the regular season is super important then the rest of bamas games that year wouldn't have mattered and ok st games wouldn't of had the increased interest at the end of the year if we had already ruled bama out a month earlier. it was easy to tell bama was at worst a top three team at the end of the regular season last year. Why shouldn't they be rewarded for that?

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  • dpfenny said...

    Explain how it would be taking a chance on a CUSA team over the #2 in the SEC? Doesn't that mean the CUSA champ would have been ranked higher than say the B10, B12 or SEC champ? What is wrong, you do not trust the rankings?

    Exactly!

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    You are coming up with crazy hypotheticals. When was the last time a CUSA or Big East team were ranked in the top 6? The only ones I can think of are maybe one of RR's WVU teams and maybe Brian Kelly's final Cincy team. They were very good teams, btw. And I will have to go back and look, but both probably ended up in the top 4 to begin with. Of course, if they didn't, then they would need to have ended up at #5 or #6 or this discussion doesn't even matter. CUSA? Really? You are reaching, dude.

    No I don't think so. Houston Was one win away Boise st would have been there during their WAC years

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    No I don't think so. Houston Was one win away Boise st would have been there during their WAC years

    Boise is not in the Big East or CUSA. And as far as Houston is concerned, what year are we talking about and I will go back and find the rankings and see how it would have played out? Are you saying they ended up at #5 or #6 and someone else ended up at #2-4 but did not win their conference and would have been left out? What year? I will look it up.

    MrWoodson

  • dpfenny said...

    Explain how it would be taking a chance on a CUSA team over the #2 in the SEC? Doesn't that mean the CUSA champ would have been ranked higher than say the B10, B12 or SEC champ? What is wrong, you do not trust the rankings?

    Well if we do last year and say Houston won and was #5. You would have Lsu Oregon and ok st in there but #2 bama gets left out cause of cusa champ. Lets be real

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Exactly!

    Bottom line is the only way to make it objectively as possible based on the play on the field rather than a biased poll, the only way to do it is with conference champions. The conference champions won their conferences on the field of play, not by some rankings. Those teams should be matched up to see who is the best. For those that want a 2nd place team in over a champion...answer this question. Would you be ok with your conference champion being determined by a vote of people who may or may not have watched the games played instead of conference w/l records?

    dpfenny

  • dpfenny said...

    What is wrong, you do not trust the rankings?


    Nobody outside of the South trust the rankings.

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  • dpfenny said...

    Bottom line is the only way to make it objectively as possible based on the play on the field rather than a biased poll, the only way to do it is with conference champions. The conference champions won their conferences on the field of play, not by some rankings. Those teams should be matched up to see who is the best. For those that want a 2nd place team in over a champion...answer this question. Would you be ok with your conference champion being determined by a vote of people who may or may not have watched the games played instead of conference w/l records?

    Let's have a playoff and not include the best teams. Smh

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    Well if we do last year and say Houston won and was #5. You would have Lsu Oregon and ok st in there but #2 bama gets left out cause of cusa champ. Lets be real

    So if they were not as good as the other teams then they would lose the first round and 2 of the other 3 would play in a NC game. That is much better than if that team was really good but we never got to find out because of biased polls. At least it was determined on the field and not by a vote from people who rarely watch games outside their own conference. After all, the voters can be wrong...remember Mich, OSU? Remember, the B10 was the best conference?

    dpfenny

  • BillyEN4C said...

    Let's have a playoff and not include the best teams. Smh

    You mean the best teams according to biased voters judging teams/conferences that rarely play against one another. Not to mention the voters may or may not have a monetary incentive for their school based on who they vote for.

    This post was edited by dpfenny on 5/17/2012 at 7:20 AM

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    Let's have a playoff and not include the best teams. Smh

    FWIW, I just went back and looked ... in 2009, Brian Kelly's Cincy team was ranked #3 and TCU was ranked #4. That means both would have gone to the playoff under your system or my system. But I did find something interesting. Back in 2008, Alabama was ranked #4 and Utah was ranked #6. Utah was undefeated and won its conference. Alabama did not. Under your system, Alabama would have been invited to the playoff and Utah would have been left out. Interestingly, Utah smoked Alabama that year in the Sugar Bowl. So much for the rankings.

    MrWoodson

  • BillyEN4C said...

    Let's have a playoff and not include the best teams. Smh

    That's where your argument breaks down. Just because at team is higher in the rankings does not mean it is better. The rankings are biased and are often way off. We all want the best teams. We just don't believe in the rankings.

    MrWoodson

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Yup- All one has to do is look at the computer rankings with and w/out M.O.V. and they will see what a fix it is. Most of the PAC & Big Ten teams rankings drop and the SEC, ACC teams tend to improve when the MOV is removed.

    Slive and his BCS boys really got over on Delaney & Hansen in this aspect of the BCS. I thought Delaney was suppose to be a smart guy? Scott, I guess he hasn't been around very long, but doubtful he would figure it out anyway since he comes from a tennis background.

    What does this have to do with Delany?

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    FWIW, I just went back and looked ... in 2009, Brian Kelly's Cincy team was ranked #3 and TCU was ranked #4. That means both would have gone to the playoff under your system or my system. But I did find something interesting. Back in 2008, Alabama was ranked #4 and Utah was ranked #6. Utah was undefeated and won its conference. Alabama did not. Under your system, Alabama would have been invited to the playoff and Utah would have been left out. Interestingly, Utah smoked Alabama that year in the Sugar Bowl. So much for the rankings.

    That Alabama team wasn't really motivated but thats no excuse. Can you find another one? If you read what I said I said 9/10 times they get 1-4 right

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    Well if we do last year and say Houston won and was #5. You would have Lsu Oregon and ok st in there but #2 bama gets left out cause of cusa champ. Lets be real

    Houston had one loss last year and ended up 19th in the final BCS standings (they were 8th before that loss).

    MrWoodson

  • MrWoodson said...

    That's where your argument breaks down. Just because at team is higher in the rankings does not mean it is better. The rankings are biased and are often way off. We all want the best teams. We just don't believe in the rankings.

    You want a system where if last year Lsu after all they won heading into the sec title game if they lost to Georgia they would not be able to play for a title and if your beloved Oregon team lost to ucla would have be out too regardless. Conference title games aren't going away so throw anything else out you might say otherwise

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Houston had one loss last year and ended up 19th in the final BCS standings (they were 8th before that loss).

    So who all was ahead of them? We know vt lost. 8th is pretty damn close

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