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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Morris isn't allowed to talk smack but you are?

    You are brilliant! If Jalin Marshall was talking to the media making claims he was going to beat Michigan the next four years, I would say the same thing.

    But I guess your one-way visors have blinded you to understand my point.

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  • Eck said...

    You are brilliant! If Jalin Marshall was talking to the media making claims he was going to beat Michigan the next four years, I would say the same thing.

    But I guess your one-way visors have blinded you to understand my point.

    Then why don't you say anything about Eli Woodward and Cam Burrows talking trash on twitter? You OSU fans make a big deal about Shane but it is very hypocritical.

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  • Big M said...

    Wow, nice performance for the UM commitments. Seems like Lewis might be in for a bump up?

    Not, really outside of Jaylon SMith and SHane Morris this was a pretty average group of prospects.

    This post was edited by Griffinfeb on 4/8/2012 at 2:46 PM

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  • Did you attend it yourself to gauge the talent? Or are you going off the stereotypes against Michigan high school football?

    Edit this was intended towards griffin

    This post was edited by MaizeandBlue21 on 4/8/2012 at 2:50 PM

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  • Big M said...

    It really is amazing to me how MSU fans view on recruiting has...evolved the last 2-3 years. In 2009 all I heard about was how Dantonio was locking down the State of Michigan and landing a bunch of 4 star recruits. Now they are basically irrelevant.

    Obviously all that matters in the end is what you do on the field. Duh. But the bottom line is Dantonio has had very little success recruiting against Michigan since Hoke arrived. Hoke has landed upwards of 20 players with early MSU offers- going by MSU fans logic on Dantonio and his talent evaluation skills, Hoke must be bringing in a lot of good players.

    Hoke is bringing in talent and good players; definitely see that. The trick is to have it translate to the field. But, we won't know that for another year or two. I think we will see Michigan struggle the next 2-3 years. This years schedule is a lot tougher due to playing on the road as opposed to having most of their tough games at home. Also, they are going to have to rely on young offensive lineman to play early on. I believe I read somewhere that after this season they will be filling 8-10 offensive lineman positions in the two deep will true or redshirt freshman. As talented as their offensive line recruits are, it's tough for them to come in and make an impact early. Ideally, you let o-lineman marinade for a few years at the college level after tansitioning from high school. The size and strength of the defensive lineman at the college level is a big adjustment for young o-lineman. Of course, there are exceptions, but we'll have to wait and see. So, I believe michigan will have a few tough years, but expect that they'll be very competitive after that if a portion of their recruits pan out. A higher rated recruit is more likely to be a productive college player, but it is no guarentee (see rich rod).

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  • Wrong jack ass! No trolling going on here. This article is posted on the front page of Bucknuts!

    This post was edited by Eck on 4/8/2012 at 3:53 PM

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  • rhodesj5 said...

    Hoke is bringing in talent and good players; definitely see that. The trick is to have it translate to the field. But, we won't know that for another year or two. I think we will see Michigan struggle the next 2-3 years. This years schedule is a lot tougher due to playing on the road as opposed to having most of their tough games at home. Also, they are going to have to rely on young offensive lineman to play early on. I believe I read somewhere that after this season they will be filling 8-10 offensive lineman positions in the two deep will true or redshirt freshman. As talented as their offensive line recruits are, it's tough for them to come in and make an impact early. Ideally, you let o-lineman marinade for a few years at the college level after tansitioning from high school. The size and strength of the defensive lineman at the college level is a big adjustment for young o-lineman. Of course, there are exceptions, but we'll have to wait and see. So, I believe michigan will have a few tough years, but expect that they'll be very competitive after that if a portion of their recruits pan out. A higher rated recruit is more likely to be a productive college player, but it is no guarentee (see rich rod).

    The Spartan spin.

    Rich Rod's recruiting and Brady Hoke's recruiting weren't at all similar no matter how many times you make those comparisons.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Then why don't you say anything about Eli Woodward and Cam Burrows talking trash on twitter? You OSU fans make a big deal about Shane but it is very hypocritical.

    Talking trash is talking trash, it will always happen. Is there a difference between talking trash on Twitter to other players vs making them during an interview with the media? I believe so. Trash talk on twitter is global. I have not seen any 2013 player from any team, in any conference, with the exception of Shane quoted in a media interview saying they will beat their rival four years in a row. Trust me, we have had our share of big mouths at OSU. T.P. talked alot of shit during interviews in his freshman year at OSU and our fans dint like it one bit.
    Back to my OP, the kid has a big mouth, I think he eats some serious crow down the road. Time will tell. I have seen four seperate film pieces and he is really good, over-rated IMO, but really good.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    The Spartan spin.

    Rich Rod's recruiting and Brady Hoke's recruiting weren't at all similar no matter how many times you make those comparisons.

    Please show where I spun it. Why are u getting defensive? I said Hoke has recruited well. We will see how well in a few years. I even said that I think they'll be very competitive once his recruits hit the field. My point is that with the youth on the O-line I THINK, could be wrong, that they will struggle a bit the next few years. I only mentioned Rich Rod to show that high level recruits don't always pan out. But, the odds are with your team because of the number of high level recruits.

    I apologize for trying to have a reasonable discussion; by no means was I attempting to bash Hoke or michigan. I guess that's what I get for posting with a U of M guy who can't evaluate his own team and their potential shortcomings.

    All u do is try and disprove every comment that is anything but absolutely complimentary of your team. Congrats, you're a home with maze and blue galsses!

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  • rhodesj5 said...

    Please show where I spun it. Why are u getting defensive? I said Hoke has recruited well. We will see how well in a few years. I even said that I think they'll be very competitive once his recruits hit the field. My point is that with the youth on the O-line I THINK, could be wrong, that they will struggle a bit the next few years. I only mentioned Rich Rod to show that high level recruits don't always pan out. But, the odds are with your team because of the number of high level recruits.

    I apologize for trying to have a reasonable discussion; by no means was I attempting to bash Hoke or michigan. I guess that's what I get for posting with a U of M guy who can't evaluate his own team and their potential shortcomings.

    All u do is try and disprove every comment that is anything but absolutely complimentary of your team. Congrats, you're a home with maze and blue galsses!

    You are just making garbage up though. Michigan will be relying on 1 true freshman or true sophomore on the o-line next year.

    Lewan RS Sr, Schofield RS Sr, Jack Miller RS Soph, Chris Bryant RS Soph. Relying on so many young guys next year.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    You are just making garbage up though. Michigan will be relying on 1 true freshman or true sophomore on the o-line next year.

    Lewan RS Sr, Schofield RS Sr, Jack Miller RS Soph, Chris Bryant RS Soph. Relying on so many young guys next year.

    What happens if one of those guys go down though? Not hoping an injury would occur, but the overall experience on your O-line has to be worrisome.

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  • bmrabbitt said...

    What happens if one of those guys go down though? Not hoping an injury would occur, but the overall experience on your O-line has to be worrisome.

    He's forgetting 2 more veterans in Ricky Barnum and Elliot Mealer. Michigan could survive an injury to a guard, but if either tackle goes down then Kyle Kalis will likely see the field.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    He's forgetting 2 more veterans in Ricky Barnum and Elliot Mealer. Michigan could survive an injury to a guard, but if either tackle goes down then Kyle Kalis will likely see the field.

    Thanks, don't know um's depth too much. At least one of your freshmen lineman should be ready to go day one as highly touted as they are but it seems it would be problematic should multiple true frosh see the field this year.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    You are just making garbage up though. Michigan will be relying on 1 true freshman or true sophomore on the o-line next year.

    Lewan RS Sr, Schofield RS Sr, Jack Miller RS Soph, Chris Bryant RS Soph. Relying on so many young guys next year.

    Okay, my numbers weren't exact, but wouldn't say making stuff up. Good chance Lewan leaves after this year. So, 7 of 10 will be young and inexperienced. Even then, according to your numbers, two starters are red shirt sophomores. That isn't exactly seasoned. Does that mean they're in trouble, no. But it is concerning and definitely not ideal.

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  • I can't believe anyone, on either side, is making much of talking trash. Both Michigan and OSU have had ridiculous trash talkers...and still do.

    What happens on the field ultimately is what matters. Talk trash? Fine by me, just back it up.

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  • Why do you guys hijack site-paid analysts' threads? Extremely disrespectful. Take the pissing matches elsewhere.

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  • bmrabbitt said...

    What happens if one of those guys go down though? Not hoping an injury would occur, but the overall experience on your O-line has to be worrisome.

    What would happen if Braxton Miller went down? That QB depth has to be worrisome...

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  • rhodesj5 said...

    Okay, my numbers weren't exact, but wouldn't say making stuff up. Good chance Lewan leaves after this year. So, 7 of 10 will be young and inexperienced. Even then, according to your numbers, two starters are red shirt sophomores. That isn't exactly seasoned. Does that mean they're in trouble, no. But it is concerning and definitely not ideal.

    Nothing wrong with red shirt sophs starting on the O-Line. We could be looking at 2 sophs starting this year in Burkland and Jackson and I doubt you're worried about them.

    bmrabbitt

  • wolverine.blue said...

    What would happen if Braxton Miller went down? That QB depth has to be worrisome...

    Agreed. Good thing I don't worry about Ohio State.

    bmrabbitt

  • mpcoan said...

    Why do you guys hijack site-paid analysts' threads? Extremely disrespectful. Take the pissing matches elsewhere.

    Agree 100%. I want to read these articles and maybe ask questions regarding potential prospects, and it always devolves into a pissing match (which sadly involves the same 3-4 fanbases a lot of the time, wolverines included). If the mods wanted to actively delete trolling and flaming in these threads it would definitely be nice for those of us who are hear to gain insight rather than filter through useless banter to find pertinent information.

    This post was edited by KRGoBlue on 4/8/2012 at 5:52 PM

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  • bmrabbitt said...

    Nothing wrong with red shirt sophs starting on the O-Line. We could be looking at 2 sophs starting this year in Burkland and Jackson and I doubt you're worried about them.

    Not at all. But, I can say that now that I have watched one for an entire season, and saw the potential of another for a few games. But, at this point last year I was definitely concerned as both were young and unproven, and our line was inexperienced for the most part.

    I am not speaking in absolutes, or trashing Michigan. Young o-lineman can definitely step in and play, but it's tough. I am more curious as to whether they are concerned with the youth on the o-line moving forward. From what I've read, it is a concern and something their program is going to focus on working hard at the next couple of years so that they can try and negate the youth.

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  • Eck said...

    "but there's a good chance he's our Shane Morris of 2014".

    So you are suggesting he will be an over-rated player, with a piss poor offer list, thats shoots his mouth off twice a day? Wow good luck with that.

    Butthurt... moon

    LOL at the offer list , and "over-rated" .. tell that to every site that has him in their top 20 players... they all must be wrong.

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  • star69 said...

    Elmer went fishing with his family over spring break.

    fishing

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  • rhodesj5 said...

    Hoke is bringing in talent and good players; definitely see that. The trick is to have it translate to the field. But, we won't know that for another year or two. I think we will see Michigan struggle the next 2-3 years. This years schedule is a lot tougher due to playing on the road as opposed to having most of their tough games at home. Also, they are going to have to rely on young offensive lineman to play early on. I believe I read somewhere that after this season they will be filling 8-10 offensive lineman positions in the two deep will true or redshirt freshman. As talented as their offensive line recruits are, it's tough for them to come in and make an impact early. Ideally, you let o-lineman marinade for a few years at the college level after tansitioning from high school. The size and strength of the defensive lineman at the college level is a big adjustment for young o-lineman. Of course, there are exceptions, but we'll have to wait and see. So, I believe michigan will have a few tough years, but expect that they'll be very competitive after that if a portion of their recruits pan out. A higher rated recruit is more likely to be a productive college player, but it is no guarentee (see rich rod).

    Well, the treat is, he has translated it to 11 wins and a BCS Bowl win.

    The schedule is tough, I expect an 8-4 or 9-3 season.

    Young linemen won't be the issue, unless injuries hit hard, but that goes for most programs at one position or another. It looks like the starters will be LT RS Junior Lewan, LG RS Senior Mealer, C RS Senior Barnum, RG RS Senior Omaneh, RT RS Junior Schofield.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Did you attend it yourself to gauge the talent? Or are you going off the stereotypes against Michigan high school football?

    Edit this was intended towards griffin

    With all due respect, i live here and have for 3 decades and in the past two, your state has produced far more flop and mediocre players than stars.

    Farm. Hills Harrison was the traditional powerhouse and they've produced Drew Stanton, Agib Shabi, Ricky Bryant (flopped at OSU) Mill Coleman. CC has produced Mike Martin and i believe the best kid to come out of there will be Wyatt Shallman, kids a beast,

    Seriously Ronald Johnson went to USC and did what? Will Campbell etc.. Devin Gardner? Kirk Cousins was solid, Tyler Hoover from Novi, Taurian Washington, from OLSM. DIon 'laptop" SIms.. One could even argue that Drew HEnson didn't do anything but stunt Tom Brady's opportunity!

    The perennial powerhouse teams are who? Harrison no more, Zeeland West? C"mon. OLSM, CC?

    All Im saying and I think its fair even though it may sting, the state of Michigan is a hockey state, no where close to being a football powerhouse. Go to your recruiting this year anyhow you are salivating over getting all these kids from Ohio. The proof is in the pudding, sorry bud!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Griffinfeb on 4/9/2012 at 12:04 PM

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