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Advocates of Evolution

  • TroyTide said...

    Evidently, I am very much a Christian, but evolution makes sense and there is quite a bit of evidence for it. I don't see the incompatibility.

    /thread

    There is no incompatibility

    brem22

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Darwin didn't spend his life trying to disprove creation. He was a scientist that observed variation in nature and came up with a hypothesis to explain it. He made testable claims and then followed the evidence. It is the difference between trying to fit data to a preconceived idea and following where the evidence leads.

    Basically, the difference between science and demagoguery.

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    CMXI

  • I made it one sentence before I found an error:
    "Let it be understood, at the outset, that every proved theory of science is to be accepted."

    The author does not understand that a theory of science, by definition, is as proven as can be.

    Of course, there are other amusing ramblings that made me chuckle:
    "1. The atheists believe that there is no God. Hence, matter was not created, but was eternal, or came by chance. Only a mere handful of the whole human race have ever yet believed such an untenable doctrine. The existence of a Creator, is doubted or denied by extreme atheistic evolutionists, who would dethrone God, "exalt the monkey, and degrade man."

    There is no god, so obviously all matter is eternal and/or came by chance. No jump in logic there. Also, I do not find it an accident that the author says "believe in no god" instead of "do not believe in god".

    OP, if this is the nonsense you read, I'm not surprised that you parrot it on this forum.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • CMXI said...

    Basically, the difference between science and demagoguery.

    Reminds me of the old joke.

    Someone who understands the theory of evolution says: "Here's our data. What conclusions can we draw from it?"

    Someone who rejects the theory of evolution says: "Here's the conclusion we want to prove. What data can we find to support this and how can we reject or ignore the data that refutes it?"

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • TroyTide said...

    Evidently, I am very much a Christian, but evolution makes sense and there is quite a bit of evidence for it. I don't see the incompatibility.

    You must not subscribe to the young earth creationist brand of christianity for which evolution is very incompatable. Though you can always skirt that by saying that god created the earth with an illusion of age.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    I made it one sentence before I found an error:
    "Let it be understood, at the outset, that every proved theory of science is to be accepted."

    The author does not understand that a theory of science, by definition, is as proven as can be.

    Of course, there are other amusing ramblings that made me chuckle:
    "1. The atheists believe that there is no God. Hence, matter was not created, but was eternal, or came by chance. Only a mere handful of the whole human race have ever yet believed such an untenable doctrine. The existence of a Creator, is doubted or denied by extreme atheistic evolutionists, who would dethrone God, "exalt the monkey, and degrade man."

    There is no god, so obviously all matter is eternal and/or came by chance. No jump in logic there. Also, I do not find it an accident that the author says "believe in no god" instead of "do not believe in god".

    OP, if this is the nonsense you read, I'm not surprised that you parrot it on this forum.

    Yea that William Williams guy seemed a little wacked. Desperate almost.

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  • CrimsonTemplar said...

    Yea that William Williams guy seemed a little wacked. Desperate almost.

    Yeah. I don't know about you, I'm sure excited to hear all of the legitimate, unbiased research he did to demonstrate that the "evolution of the soul is impossible" in part 3.

    fingergun

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • CMXI said...

    Basically, the difference between science and demagoguery.

    I'll say almost/nearly to avoid sounding obtuse but amost all 'scientific' research I've seen to prove a bible story can only be considered ad hoc. Don't remember the specifics but an example being a boat they found on a 'big hill' in the middle east and it automatically became the ark. Then people who don't believe in carbon dating attempted to carbon date the boat to prove themselves correct.

    SCirish843

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Reminds me of the old joke.

    Someone who understands the theory of evolution says: "Here's our data. What conclusions can we draw from it?"

    Someone who rejects the theory of evolution says: "Here's the conclusion we want to prove. What data can we find to support this and how can we reject or ignore the data that refutes it?"

    Yep, also ad hoc.

    SCirish843

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Reminds me of the old joke.

    Someone who understands the theory of evolution says: "Here's our data. What conclusions can we draw from it?"

    Someone who rejects the theory of evolution says: "Here's the conclusion we want to prove. What data can we find to support this and how can we reject or ignore the data that refutes it?"

    Ever hear of Lee Strobel?

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Bio.php

    His writing style may suit your fancy a little better than that Muller cat.

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • TigerTowner said...

    Darwin messed up the title of the book anyways - "Origin...."

    The theory has nothing to do with the origin of anything.

    Buncha communist manifesto mumbo jumbo from the North.

    As to facts and laws - I don't see an guarantees attached to them - just more Big Ten mumbo jumbo.

    cyclops "Look I'm an evolved Ohio State Fan

    No, the title is correct as is. Evolution is the theory which explains the origin of the diversity of all the species on earth. Ink is expensive, so origin of the species works just fine.

    If the book was "origin of life", you would be correct.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • Rebel_30 said...

    Ever hear of Lee Strobel?

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Bio.php

    His writing style may suit your fancy a little better than that Muller cat.

    It's not the writing style, it's the fact that the author doesn't understand much about evolution, uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy, and uses non-verified source after non-verified source.

    In case the article is too long, I can sum it up in the attached picture.

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    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    It's not the writing style, it's the fact that the author doesn't understand much about evolution, uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy, and uses non-verified source after non-verified source.

    In case the article is too long, I can sum it up in the attached picture.

    I will only accept this evidence delivered in MS Paint.

    PhilCantone

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    You must not subscribe to the young earth creationist brand of christianity for which evolution is very incompatable. Though you can always skirt that by saying that god created the earth with an illusion of age.

    Sounds like that theory would be attributed more to radical evangelism than mainstream Christianity.

    TroyTide

  • Rebel_30 said...

    Ever hear of Lee Strobel?

    http://www.leestrobel.com/Bio.php

    His writing style may suit your fancy a little better than that Muller cat.

    Lee Strobel is a hack.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye ●

  • TroyTide said...

    Sounds like that theory would be attributed more to radical evangelism than mainstream Christianity.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

    Nope.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

    Nope.

    that is very very scary.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye ●

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Lee Strobel is a hack.

    Nm

    The Future Is Bright! Hotty Toddy

    Rebel_30

  • rms02d said...

    Evolution is scientific fact.

    It may not correlate convienently with a book of allegories, written and translated hundreds of years after the death of a guy named Jesus, a book which states that the world was built in six days, but at least you found a link on the Internet that conforms to your belief structure.

    Congrats.

    Negative, no science is FACT but just theory until more science comes along and disproves or changes it. If Evolution was a fact then everybody would just know it to be and we would have no problems. My God is real whether you believe in him or not, and he cares about his creation. One of the biggest points made in the Bible was that people would let their own "intelligence" as the Creation, get in the way of the Creator. That is the time we live in now. If we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys? What is right and wrong, and why do you feel good or bad when doing them?

    This post was edited by jjjate79 on 2/22/2013 at 1:36 PM

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    jjjate79

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    Lee Strobel is a hack.

    Why? Are you saying he was not an atheist, or that he should not tell the truth now that he found it?

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    jjjate79

  • jjjate79 said...

    Negative, no science is FACT but just theory until more science comes along and disproves or changes it. If Evolution was a fact then everybody would just know it to be and we would have no problems. My God is real whether you believe in him or not, and he cares about his creation. One of the biggest points made in the Bible was that people would let their own "intelligence" as the Creation, get in the way of the Creator. That is the time we live in now. If we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys? What is right and wrong, and why do you feel good or bad when doing them?

    It's funny because you spelled intelligence wrong when referencing the bible. +1

    SCirish843

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

    Nope.

    No. Effing. Way. Will I ever believe this poll is accurate.

    First, there have to be hidden variables, like people answering the way they feel they should answer, not what they really believe. Also, I don't pretend to understand the calculus of polling, but this is out of 1000 respondents, 60% land line (what are those?). How can you extrapolate the views of 300 million based on a random sampling of 1K people?

    Anyway panic this is insane either way

    brem22

  • jjjate79 said...

    Negative, no science is FACT but just theory until more science comes along and disproves or changes it. If Evolution was a fact then everybody would just know it to be and we would have no problems. My God is real whether you believe in him or not, and he cares about his creation. One of the biggest points made in the Bible was that people would let their own "intelligence" as the Creation, get in the way of the Creator. That is the time we live in now. If we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys? What is right and wrong, and why do you feel good or bad when doing them?

    Troll rating: 8.5/10.

    Pretty much every token fallacy and standard scientifically ignorant point made by the average creationist.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • brem22 said...

    No. Effing. Way. Will I ever believe this poll is accurate.

    First, there have to be hidden variables, like people answering the way they feel they should answer, not what they really believe. Also, I don't pretend to understand the calculus of polling, but this is out of 1000 respondents, 60% land line (what are those?). How can you extrapolate the views of 300 million based on a random sampling of 1K people?

    Anyway panic this is insane either way

    When they are doing the polling for 30 years and see those same results, yeah I'd say it's about accurate. If you can find results that conflict, let me know.

    As for the 'people answering the way they feel they should', I totally agree. It's been demonstrated that people lie and overestimate how religious they are in the US. But not that much.

    And 1,000 is a nice sample size for stuff like this. That's a fairly representative sample. It might be off by 3-5 points (at most), but that's about the long and short of the US's embarrassing stance on evolution.

    ramssuperbowl99 ●

  • jjjate79 said...

    Why? Are you saying he was not an atheist, or that he should not tell the truth now that he found it?

    He is making a pretty good living telling gullible people what they want to hear. There are web sites that go into detail about how his arguments are flawed and contrived. He is in no way the unbiased truth seeker he portrays himself to be in his writing. It is all a facade.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye ●

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