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  • Here is a small non-religious view about "Intelligent Design" of which there is a tremendous amount of evidence:

    Is intelligent design the same as creationism?

    No. The theory of intelligent design is simply an effort to empirically detect whether the "apparent design" in nature acknowledged by virtually all biologists is genuine design (the product of an intelligent cause) or is simply the product of an undirected process such as natural selection acting on random variations. Creationism typically starts with a religious text and tries to see how the findings of science can be reconciled to it. Intelligent design starts with the empirical evidence of nature and seeks to ascertain what inferences can be drawn from that evidence. Unlike creationism, the scientific theory of intelligent design does not claim that modern biology can identify whether the intelligent cause detected through science is supernatural.

    Honest critics of intelligent design acknowledge the difference between intelligent design and creationism. University of Wisconsin historian of science Ronald Numbers is critical of intelligent design, yet according to the Associated Press, he "agrees the creationist label is inaccurate when it comes to the ID [intelligent design] movement." Why, then, do some Darwinists keep trying to conflate intelligent design with creationism? According to Dr. Numbers, it is because they think such claims are "the easiest way to discredit intelligent design." In other words, the charge that intelligent design is "creationism" is a rhetorical strategy on the part of Darwinists who wish to delegitimize design theory without actually addressing the merits of its case.

    Is intelligent design a scientific theory?

    Yes. The scientific method is commonly described as a four-step process involving observations, hypothesis, experiments, and conclusion. Intelligent design begins with the observation that intelligent agents produce complex and specified information (CSI). Design theorists hypothesize that if a natural object was designed, it will contain high levels of CSI. Scientists then perform experimental tests upon natural objects to determine if they contain complex and specified information. One easily testable form of CSI is irreducible complexity, which can be discovered by experimentally reverse-engineering biological structures to see if they require all of their parts to function. When ID researchers find irreducible complexity in biology, they conclude that such structures were designed.

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    It's all about the Orange and Blue.

    jjjate79

  • jjjate79 said...

    Negative, no science is FACT but just theory until more science comes along and disproves or changes it. If Evolution was a fact then everybody would just know it to be and we would have no problems. My God is real whether you believe in him or not, and he cares about his creation. One of the biggest points made in the Bible was that people would let their own "intelligence" as the Creation, get in the way of the Creator. That is the time we live in now. If we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys? What is right and wrong, and why do you feel good or bad when doing them?

    Ever come home and your dog is hiding in the corner because it knows you're gonna find something you shouldn't? That's knowing right from wrong and feeling bad about. Diffent types of monkeys that live in groups won't harm or steal from each other because they have a sense of right from wrong. They will though hunt and kill other animals they deem inferior, sound like any species you can think of?

    SCirish843

  • jjjate79 said...

    If we came from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys?

    Cuz monkeys are awesome.

    This post was edited by brem22 on 2/22/2013 at 2:24 PM

    brem22

  • SCirish843 said...

    Ever come home and your dog is hiding in the corner because it knows you're gonna find something you shouldn't? That's knowing right from wrong and feeling bad about. Diffent types of monkeys that live in groups won't harm or steal from each other because they have a sense of right from wrong. They will though hunt and kill other animals they deem inferior, sound like any species you can think of?

    Don't feed the trolls. Just enjoy.

    That thing he just posted above you is hilarious.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    He is making a pretty good living telling gullible people what they want to hear. There are web sites that go into detail about how his arguments are flawed and contrived. He is in no way the unbiased truth seeker he portrays himself to be in his writing. It is all a facade.

    There are also SCIENTISTS that go into great detail about the flawed arguments of the BBT, and Evolution. Smart and non-religous people. I have seen the evidence on both sides and I absolutely believe in intelligent design, by God and Jesus who came down here and showed us things only God could do. Nobody has been able to refute any of that because there were so many witnesses and writings on him. Atheists are the gullible ones that can see everything around us working together, and believe it and themselves to be a mere ACCIDENT. That is some kookoo thinking, IMO.

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    jjjate79

  • That 'non-religious viewpoint on intelligent design' post can be found here:
    http://www.intelligentdesign.org/whatisid.php

    Hilarious.

    EDIT: For a 'non-biased viewpoint' on tax breaks for big oil, head to www.bp.com.

    For a 'non-biased viewpoint' on Obama's tax policies, head to www.obamaisasocialistmuslim.org

    This post was edited by ramssuperbowl99 on 2/22/2013 at 1:50 PM

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Don't feed the trolls. Just enjoy.

    That thing he just posted above you is hilarious.

    popcorn

    SCirish843

  • You guys can't troll me or hurt my feelings, I was just giving a few points. There are holes in EVERYTHING, but I know that God knows what he's doing so I trust that I'll get the answers I might not be ready for, when I go to Paradise. Jesus loves all of you, and so do I. Have a great weekend everybody!!

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    It's all about the Orange and Blue.

    jjjate79

  • SCirish843 said...

    Ever come home and your dog is hiding in the corner because it knows you're gonna find something you shouldn't? That's knowing right from wrong and feeling bad about. Diffent types of monkeys that live in groups won't harm or steal from each other because they have a sense of right from wrong. They will though hunt and kill other animals they deem inferior, sound like any species you can think of?

    But why? Where did right and wrong actually start?

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    jjjate79

  • jjjate79 said...

    You guys can't troll me or hurt my feelings, I was just giving a few points. There are holes in EVERYTHING, but I know that God knows what he's doing so I trust that I'll get the answers I might not be ready for, when I go to Paradise. Jesus loves all of you, and so do I. Have a great weekend everybody!!

    10/10 would lol again.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • jjjate79 said...

    There are also SCIENTISTS that go into great detail about the flawed arguments of the BBT, and Evolution. Smart and non-religous people. I have seen the evidence on both sides and I absolutely believe in intelligent design, by God and Jesus who came down here and showed us things only God could do. Nobody has been able to refute any of that because there were so many witnesses and writings on him. Atheists are the gullible ones that can see everything around us working together, and believe it and themselves to be a mere ACCIDENT. That is some kookoo thinking, IMO.

    You are either a brilliant, trenchant social satirist or have a brain the size of a walnut... Either way clap

    Lame that this thread is now t-minus 30 seconds to lock though...

    brem22

  • jjjate79 said...

    You guys can't troll me or hurt my feelings, I was just giving a few points. There are holes in EVERYTHING, but I know that God knows what he's doing so I trust that I'll get the answers I might not be ready for, when I go to Paradise. Jesus loves all of you, and so do I. Have a great weekend everybody!!

    Ugh. Now I feel dirty.

    But still roflmao

    brem22

  • jjjate79 said...

    But why? Where did right and wrong actually start?

    The tiniest amount of a thought process will lead to right and wrong. Basically, mammals that aren't actively fighting for their survival on a day to day basis show atleast rudimentary forms of logical thought. Apex predators don't become apex predators because they hit the gym, they've just evolved into the smartest animals in their 'neck of the woods'.

    SCirish843

  • brem22 said...

    Ugh. Now I feel dirty.

    But still roflmao

    Dude. That's a troll. A truly great troll leaves you guessing, wondering if you were just brain-ninja'd or if you argued with the dumbest caricature of all time.

    Truly beautiful work. This is how your grandpappy trolled.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • brem22 said...

    You are either a brilliant, trenchant social satirist or have a brain the size of a walnut... Either way clap

    Lame that this thread is now t-minus 30 seconds to lock though...

    roflmao

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    Why So Serious?

    ThaJoker

  • I'd also like to read some of these non-religious eye witness accounts of Jesus Christ from when he was living...

    SCirish843

  • jjjate79 said...

    There are also SCIENTISTS that go into great detail about the flawed arguments of the BBT, and Evolution. Smart and non-religous people. I have seen the evidence on both sides and I absolutely believe in intelligent design, by God and Jesus who came down here and showed us things only God could do. Nobody has been able to refute any of that because there were so many witnesses and writings on him. Atheists are the gullible ones that can see everything around us working together, and believe it and themselves to be a mere ACCIDENT. That is some kookoo thinking, IMO.

    trolls

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • OmegaBuckeye said...

    trolls

    Can't stop won't stop.

    SCirish843

  • SCirish843 said...

    The tiniest amount of a thought process will lead to right and wrong. Basically, mammals that aren't actively fighting for their survival on a day to day basis show atleast rudimentary forms of logical thought. Apex predators don't become apex predators because they hit the gym, they've just evolved into the smartest animals in their 'neck of the woods'.

    Amazing that that could just explode out of thin air, without being created. How many times have you seen something come from nothing, much less something as complex as the human body? The same arguments you guys have are full of holes just like any theory. We won't know for sure until we meet the Creator, but my appointment is set and I KNOW that he lives in me no matter how stupid or unintelligent you think I am for it. I say the devil is using most atheist' perceived intelligence against them. If you think you're really smart, then you're really dumb. I know this is about to be locked, but God bless you all, and please don't let your mind get in the way of your soul. Later.

    This post was edited by jjjate79 on 2/22/2013 at 2:14 PM

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    jjjate79

  • jjjate79 said...

    Amazing that that could just explode out of thin air, without being created. Ho many times have you seen something come from nothing, much less something as complex as the human body? The same arguments you guys have are full of holes just like any theory. We won't know for sure until we meet the Creator, but my appointment is set and I KNOW that he lives in me no matter how stupid or unintelligent you think I am for it. I say the devil is using most atheists perceived intelligence against them. If you think you're really smart, then you're really dumb. I know this is about to be locked, but God bless you all, and please don't let your mind get in the way of your soul. Later.

    Epic

    bow

    brem22

  • jjjate79 said...

    Amazing that that could just explode out of thin air, without being created. How many times have you seen something come from nothing, much less something as complex as the human body? The same arguments you guys have are full of holes just like any theory. We won't know for sure until we meet the Creator, but my appointment is set and I KNOW that he lives in me no matter how stupid or unintelligent you think I am for it. I say the devil is using most atheist' perceived intelligence against them. If you think you're really smart, then you're really dumb. I know this is about to be locked, but God bless you all, and please don't let your mind get in the way of your soul. Later.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • jjjate79 said...

    Amazing that that could just explode out of thin air, without being created. How many times have you seen something come from nothing, much less something as complex as the human body? The same arguments you guys have are full of holes just like any theory. We won't know for sure until we meet the Creator, but my appointment is set and I KNOW that he lives in me no matter how stupid or unintelligent you think I am for it. I say the devil is using most atheist' perceived intelligence against them. If you think you're really smart, then you're really dumb. I know this is about to be locked, but God bless you all, and please don't let your mind get in the way of your soul. Later.

    scared

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • jjjate79 said...

    Amazing that that could just explode out of thin air, without being created. How many times have you seen something come from nothing, much less something as complex as the human body? The same arguments you guys have are full of holes just like any theory. We won't know for sure until we meet the Creator, but my appointment is set and I KNOW that he lives in me no matter how stupid or unintelligent you think I am for it. I say the devil is using most atheist' perceived intelligence against them. If you think you're really smart, then you're really dumb. I know this is about to be locked, but God bless you all, and please don't let your mind get in the way of your soul. Later.

    Even though this guy is obviously a troll. This line of thinking is still out there. The thought that education and intelligence is evil or a bad thing. That is the really scary output of the creationist argument.

    We are both atheists. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

    OmegaBuckeye

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx

    Nope.

    Well I have never heard this crap. And since this is my religion, I think I would have heard about it if it was so predominant.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Well I have never heard this crap. And since this is my religion, I think I would have heard about it if it was so predominant.

    Are you really saying, "screw you and your 30 years of polling numbers?"

    About 4/10 Americans, including the majority of presidential nominees from the republican party, think the earth is less than 10,000 years old.

    It's not just crazy WBC/baptist stuff. This is the consensus christian opinion in America.

    ramssuperbowl99