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Alabama Accountability Act

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    Alabama Accountability Act FAQ, a guide to the most radical education reform in decades

    The bill would allow parents of children whose local public school is failing to get a tax credit if they enroll in a private school or non-failing public school. It would also allow the creation of Scholarship Granting Organizations that would pay tuition for qualifying students, at least some of which must be from low-income families.

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    sf2k4

  • I'm not opposed to education reform and I'm not a big fan of teacher's unions, but the way this bill passed was atrociously wrong.

    Edit: I am worried public money will be going to parochial schools that teach creationism and other subpar stuff.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 3/1/2013 at 5:52 PM

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    I'm not opposed to education reform and I'm not a big fan of teacher's unions, but the way this bill passed was atrociously wrong.

    Edit: I am worried public money will be going to parochial schools that teach creationism and other subpar stuff.

    I don't believe in creationism, but I don't see a big problem with some funding going to all schools regardless of classification. The English, math, history, etc will all still be the same. We need to help all kids get a good education. A few scientific issues don't really matter in the big picture.

    FortWorthTide

  • Looks like a good idea to me.

    Sipjin

  • Black Belt schools will be virtually empty in a few weeks. lol. Great legislation btw.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 3/1/2013 at 6:15 PM

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  • TroyTide said...

    Black Belt schools will be virtually empty in a few weeks.

    That's my fear. While I support any effort to help kickstart our fledgling education system, I worry that this process is going to simply get a lot of schools closed rather than fixed.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    That's my fear. While I support any effort to help kickstart our fledgling education system, I worry that this process is going to simply get a lot of schools closed rather than fixed.

    But it would only close the bad schools, so no big deal. And really I don't think there will be that big of an exodus from public schools.

    TroyTide

  • FortWorthTide said...

    I don't believe in creationism, but I don't see a big problem with some funding going to all schools regardless of classification. The English, math, history, etc will all still be the same. We need to help all kids get a good education. A few scientific issues don't really matter in the big picture.

    But are the private schools going to be held accountable?

    Here in Mobile, some are great and others are just awful.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    But are the private schools going to be held accountable?

    Here in Mobile, some are great and others are just awful.

    They shouldn't be because it isn't mandatory you send your kids there. This is just letting parents have a choice with their tax dollars.

    Somebody want to tell BLF what I said since the little girl has me blocked? lol.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 3/1/2013 at 6:36 PM

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  • TroyTide said...

    But it would only close the bad schools, so no big deal. And really I don't think there will be that big of an exodus from public schools.

    But what happens when, say, three "bad" schools in a county close and all of those kids transfer to the one "good" school? That's a lot of student influx. What happens with facilities? Teachers? Etc.?

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  • sf2k4 said...

    But what happens when, say, three "bad" schools in a county close and all of those kids transfer to the one "good" school? That's a lot of student influx. What happens with facilities? Teachers? Etc.?

    Well the good school expands in that case. Very unlikely something like that happens to that extent. People shouldn't be forced to go to bad schools just because they are unfortunate enough that it's the closest school.

    TroyTide

  • Man I love this law. Sux for failing schools but provides a real opportunity to the better students in those schools.

    ReasonableDoubt

  • ReasonableDoubt said...

    Man I love this law. Sux for failing schools but provides a real opportunity to the better students in those schools.

    Hopefully it's written well. The bait and switch was lol funny on twitter.

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  • TroyTide said...

    Well the good school expands in that case. Very unlikely something like that happens to that extent. People shouldn't be forced to go to bad schools just because they are unfortunate enough that it's the closest school.

    No I agree, I don't want to force students to go to bad schools. Hell, I'm an avid proponent of not holding education back through things like No Child Left Behind; I've seen way too many smart kids not have access to a quality education (like AP classes) because their school was (a) poor and (b) had too many "weak links" taking focus away.

    That being said, I just feel like if this change happens too quickly, there are going to be a lot of teachers out of a job (good ones, too; just because a school is bad doesn't mean there aren't quality educators there), a lot of school closings, and in general a lot of negative effects on the "weak links." I don't want to restrict strong students at all, but I also don't want to hang struggling students out to dry.

    I guess we'll see how this all works out.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    No I agree, I don't want to force students to go to bad schools. Hell, I'm an avid proponent of not holding education back through things like No Child Left Behind; I've seen way too many smart kids not have access to a quality education (like AP classes) because their school was (a) poor and (b) had too many "weak links" taking focus away.

    That being said, I just feel like if this change happens too quickly, there are going to be a lot of teachers out of a job (good ones, too; just because a school is bad doesn't mean there aren't quality educators there), a lot of school closings, and in general a lot of negative effects on the "weak links." I don't want to restrict strong students at all, but I also don't want to hang struggling students out to dry.

    I guess we'll see how this all works out.

    Well if they would ever bust the teachers union the good teachers could go to good schools and the bad teachers could just go.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Well if they would ever bust the teachers union the good teachers could go to good schools and the bad teachers could just go.

    On the same token, there was a principal at a school in Birmingham when I was in high school that was notorious for "letting teachers go" right before they made tenure, regardless of their teaching ability. And then he got caught sleeping with cheerleaders.

    All in all, our state education system all across the board is a giant clusterfvck.

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  • You don't have to get rid of the unions as long as they accept to get rid of tenure and make it easier to fire. Those two would solve a lot of problems.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    On the same token, there was a principal at a school in Birmingham when I was in high school that was notorious for "letting teachers go" right before they made tenure, regardless of their teaching ability. And then he got caught sleeping with cheerleaders.

    All in all, our state education system all across the board is a giant clusterfvck.

    Didn't want to let then stay long enough to bust his cheer leading sex ring, lol.

    TroyTide

  • This won't benefit Alabama public schools at all. All it'll do is work to transfer public funds from public schools to private schools, while further screwing over the kids who are "left behind" because of an inability to pay for a private school.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    You don't have to get rid of the unions as long as they accept to get rid of tenure and make it easier to fire. Those two would solve a lot of problems.

    I think it would be extremely hard to get them to agree to that. You would have to first take them to the precipice of busting them to shake them into it.

    HEY! Somebody! Tell BLF I said "it would be hard to do". Thanks. lol.

    TroyTide

  • CMXI said...

    This won't benefit Alabama public schools at all. All it'll do is work to transfer public funds from public schools to private schools, while further screwing over the kids who are "left behind" because of an inability to pay for a private school.

    Except you can transfer to better public schools too.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Didn't want to let then stay long enough to bust his cheer leading sex ring, lol.

    He was an ugly ass dude, too. Couldn't figure out why those girls were even playing along.

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  • TroyTide said...

    Except you can transfer to better public schools too.

    If you're in a good part of the state. I had a very good friend of mine who was very smart go to a sh!tty school in west Alabama and, sadly, good public schools are few and far between when you get out into rural Alabama. Those of us that went to high school in Birmingham/Hoover wouldn't have any issues.

    This post was edited by sf2k4 on 3/1/2013 at 8:25 PM

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  • sf2k4 said...

    He was an ugly ass dude, too. Couldn't figure out why those girls were even playing along.

    This seems to happen a lot. I never could figure out how something like this goes down. How does and adult and a teenager even end up in a situation where this could even happen?

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    This seems to happen a lot. I never could figure out how something like this goes down. How does and adult and a teenager even end up in a situation where this could even happen?

    If I was one of the girls' fathers, I would ground her until she was thirty and I'd cut his nuts off with rusty hedge clippers.

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