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Alabama Accountability Act

  • TroyTide said...

    Except you can transfer to better public schools too.

    Yes, but by necessity, if you're zoned for a bad school, going to any good school requires extra travel. If you're stuck in an area where there aren't any good schools within a reasonable distance, you're just boned. The goal should be a universally high-quality education system, not just an exodus from the areas with bad schools.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    If you're in a good part of the state. I had a very good friend of mine who was very smart go to a sh!tty school in West Alabama and, sadly, good public schools are few and far between when you get out into rural Alabama. Those of us that went to high school in Birmingham/Hoover wouldn't have any issues.

    Really only a issue in the Black Belt. Everywhere else should be fine.

    I wonder if schools could deny an incoming transfer. Might not always be a good idea to bring all inner city kids into suburban schools. The problem children anyhow.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Really only a issue in the Black Belt. Everywhere else should be fine.

    I wonder if schools could deny an incoming transfer. Might not always be a good idea to bring all inner city kids into suburban schools. The problem children anyhow.

    Facility size will be an issue, too. The schools aren't exactly rolling in money so they're not going to go preemptively building extensions to facilitate a larger student body. That means, if there was a large exodus to a particular school, it could be pretty cramped for a while.

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  • CMXI said...

    Yes, but by necessity, if you're zoned for a bad school, going to any good school requires extra travel. If you're stuck in an area where there aren't any good schools within a reasonable distance, you're just boned. The goal should be a universally high-quality education system, not just an exodus from the areas with bad schools.

    That goal is not realistic though. This is basically a way to get around community poverty and teachers unions. Why pump money into poor neighborhoods when you can put poor students in rich schools? The pumping money to bad schools has clearly been a failing tactic.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Really only a issue in the Black Belt. Everywhere else should be fine.

    And while I can look at the situation as a realist and say you're right, what are we going to do, just turn our heads to what happens in the Black Belt? I'm just not okay with doing that to people. It seems inhumane.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Facility size will be an issue, too. The schools aren't exactly rolling in money so they're not going to go preemptively building extensions to facilitate a larger student body. That means, if there was a large exodus to a particular school, it could be pretty cramped for a while.

    Would be cheaper to run fewer large schools than many smaller schools. But in the short term, yes it would be a problem.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 3/1/2013 at 8:35 PM

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  • TroyTide said...

    Would be cheaper to run fewer large schools than many schools. But in the short term, yes it would be a problem.

    My thing is, while I don't want to go paying more taxes and understand we need to rein in spending on many, many things (I've said many times that while I support social programs, they desperately need to be restructured), there's something offputting about using the word "cheap" in conjunction with "education."

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  • sf2k4 said...

    And while I can look at the situation as a realist and say you're right, what are we going to do, just turn our heads to what happens in the Black Belt? I'm just not okay with doing that to people. It seems inhumane.

    No we could perhaps consolidate all county schools in that area, or build a few new schools, or choose existing ones, and remove the staff and let the state directly run them and hire good proven teachers for those schools. For that whole region you could probably use 10-15 schools and do this.

    TroyTide

  • sf2k4 said...

    My thing is, while I don't want to go paying more taxes and understand we need to rein in spending on many, many things (I've said many times that while I support social programs, they desperately need to be restructured), there's something offputting about using the word "cheap" in conjunction with "education."

    Not in this case, I am saying cheaper in operating cost. Not having worse teachers.

    This post was edited by TroyTide on 3/1/2013 at 8:39 PM

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    No we could perhaps consolidate all county schools in that area, or build a few new schools, or choose existing ones, and remove the staff and let the state directly run them and hire good proven teachers for those schools. For that whole region you could probably use 10-15 schools and do this.

    Honestly, situations like that may be a great opportunity to get more young teachers (including but not just recent grads) as a sort of "revitalization" and "reimagination" of education. I think a little youthful spunk would be good for this state.

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  • TroyTide said...

    Not having worse teachers.

    Between you and me, I'm not sure we could do much worse in some cases.

    I take that back. I forget that Mississippi is still a thing.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Between you and me, I'm not sure we could do much worse in some cases.

    I take that back. I forget that Mississippi is still a thing.

    True.

    But everybody else can see your post.

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  • TroyTide said...

    True.

    But everybody else can see your post.

    Does it look like I'm talking to myself?

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Does it look like I'm talking to myself?

    I am just saying, it isn't between you and me. It's very public.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    I am just saying, it isn't between you and me. It's very public.

    Ah, you see, I out kicked my own statement. There's that Alabama education for you.

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  • FortWorthTide said...

    I don't believe in creationism, but I don't see a big problem with some funding going to all schools regardless of classification. The English, math, history, etc will all still be the same. We need to help all kids get a good education. A few scientific issues don't really matter in the big picture.

    Science is what has driven our economy and what will drive it in the future, but yeah it doesn't matter. no

    dkerns

  • TroyTide said...

    Really only a issue in the Black Belt. Everywhere else should be fine.

    I wonder if schools could deny an incoming transfer. Might not always be a good idea to bring all inner city kids into suburban schools. The problem children anyhow.

    Don't live in Bama but I my guess is it turns out similar to the HS bussing they do here locally. Started it in 80s. Now instead of 4 decent/good HS and 2 bad ones, there are 6 bad ones.

    Go bucky go

  • CMXI said...

    Yes, but by necessity, if you're zoned for a bad school, going to any good school requires extra travel. If you're stuck in an area where there aren't any good schools within a reasonable distance, you're just boned. The goal should be a universally high-quality education system, not just an exodus from the areas with bad schools.

    Ideally yes, but not realistic. Parents are a huge prt of the success of a school system. Bad schools typically have a high % of bad parents. You can't legislate or curriculum or better teacher that problem away.

    Go bucky go

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