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Alabama - Keeping at 85

  • BamaBear56 said...

    It's like saying a NFL team has to keep a player on the roster just because they signed him, but the player can be traded or cut.

    But that's exactly it. College players can't be traded or cut, yet teams that do this are managing their rosters while other teams have far, far fewer transfers and medical redshirts. All teams need to be on the same recruiting playing field. One team should not be able to sign 130 kids in a period in which others sign 100. Either all teams need to manage their rosters in such a way or no teams should.

    Shaun

  • Shaun said...

    It seems you didn't read my post. I didn't say Alabama breaks any rules. I questioned why recruiting rules differ by conference when it is the lifeblood of college football. The NCAA wastes their time on stupid things while letting conferences decide how to handle recruiting numbers.

    And most of my post was explaining that allowing high profile teams to bring in a full class every year and then simply talk to the players who haven't panned out and mutually agree for them to transfer, thereby opening up 23-25 slots instead of 15-17, is a huge advantage! These transfers allow a team to "try out" an extra 10 or 20 players for a couple of years to see if they develop well, and if they don't they just have them transfer out for playing time elsewhere and try again.

    Heck, I would argue that my team, Ohio State, will be doing this to an extent this year! We currently have room for 1 or so more players, but we are projecting to pick up from 2-4 more because players will be transferring out because they don't see the field. This is an advantage for elite teams who have 100 recruits who would jump at the chance to get the chance to play for them. Alabama just happens to have done this extremely effectively for the last 4 or 5 years, which is why they have signed 20-30 more recruits in that time than many other elite schools.

    I think the NCAA (or more likely the new governing body of the super-conferences in the future when they abandon the NCAA) needs to simply have a hard limit each year for how many scholarships can be given out (say 22 or so), with no roster cap. That way teams are not rewarded for players transferring out of their program. They should be responsible for keeping the recruits they sign, and if they can't then that is on them. Likewise, teams that have players go pro after 3 years won't be rewarded for that either. That might help non-elite schools have a bit more even field than they have right now.

    The NCAA has their rules, which apply to all the football programs. Bama and the rest of the SEC abide by their rules. It's not the SEC's or any other Conference's fault that the Big 10 amended, or added their own stipulations, by enforcing a hard cap on their teams. If you want to blame anyone, blame your conference commish.

    Your conference tried to play the "four year scholarship" game, in an attempt to persuade recruits to come to the Big 10. Problem is, if they were true "four years scholarships", then attrition would be very minimal. That's very much not the case.

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    Macdaddy7930

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Not according to the self proclaimed Bama expert the WhackDiddy. He swore up and down that not only did he have that info but that anybody could get it.

    Oops, look whose backpedaling now, after swearing up and down he knew, its the Whackdiddy, the same guy who said he had it 100%. What happened, you said Saban's numbers were no secret.

    You know these 'stories' you Bammers tell would be so much easier to keep straight if you just told the truth from the start.

    Never claimed to be an expert, but all the info I provided was correct when it pertains to kids that signed and who is no longer with the program. However after talking to someone close to the program, the actual scholarship numbers aren't correct because of "sign and place", kids with grade issues, transfers etc.

    And LULZ at ButtAssassin calling Bama and their staff out for "telling the truth". How many players has Kiffin lied to in the last month about scholarships and enrollment? Massington, Larue, and Fitts come to mind.

    Now go look up some worthless stats to make an excuse why the PAC 12 was 4-4 in bowl games.

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    Macdaddy7930

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Never claimed to be an expert, but all the info I provided was correct when it pertains to kids that signed and who is no longer with the program. However after talking to someone close to the program, the actual scholarship numbers aren't correct because of "sign and place", kids with grade issues, transfers etc.

    And LULZ at ButtAssassin calling Bama and their staff out for "telling the truth". How many players has Kiffin lied to in the last month about scholarships and enrollment? Massington, Larue, and Fitts come to mind.

    Now go look up some worthless stats to make an excuse why the PAC 12 was 4-4 in bowl games.

    No whackdummy, I was calling you out for pretending to know something you didn't, especially after how you swore up and down that you knew.

    Now I will laugh at you for a few hours for getting caught in your own web of interwebz lies, but by tmrw I'll forget all that and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt this time and we can go back to being super buddies.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    google it if you want a definition.

    I did but its hard to figure out how someone not in school is getting his school paid for. shrug

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    Your = you are. Stupid. You're is possessive hence the apostrophe. Duh. Ro' Tide!

    SmithDawg48

  • jkt360 said...

    I did but its hard to figure out how someone not in school is getting his school paid for.

    A fourth year junior, which has already graduated, doesn't need his school paid as a fifth year senior unless he is getting a master's.

    We have several that will move on because they will be 5th year seniors that won't get any PT.

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    Macdaddy7930

  • Shaun said...

    I think the NCAA (or more likely the new governing body of the super-conferences in the future when they abandon the NCAA) needs to simply have a hard limit each year for how many scholarships can be given out (say 22 or so), with no roster cap. That way teams are not rewarded for players transferring out of their program. They should be responsible for keeping the recruits they sign, and if they can't then that is on them. Likewise, teams that have players go pro after 3 years won't be rewarded for that either. That might help non-elite schools have a bit more even field than they have right now.

    I agree. You're an idiot.

    unclenatedawg ●

  • Adamson651 said...

    Edit: NOT AN OVER-SIGNING THREAD

    After USC, Alabama has been my favorite team to watch. I have known the roster pretty well the past couple of seasons, but never had the scholarship players down, like I do with USC. So, last night I was bored and tried to figure it out. Here are some questions for some Bama fans:

    1. Assuming Fluker, Lacy and Milliner are the only juniors to leave early for the draft, that means Bama will be returning 71 scholarship players? (Listed below)

    2. You guys can bring in 27 this year? (25 + 2 open spots from Hill & Dixon not qualifying last year)

    3. Do you plan on bringing in 27 this year?

    4. Assuming you bring in 27, that would put you guys at 98 scholarship players, which is obviously too many. So, which 13 current players do you think will not be with the team next season?

    71 scholarship players (check for accuracy):

    -QB- AJ McCarron Blake Sims Alec Morris Phillip Ely

    -RB- TJ Yeldon Jalston Fowler Kenyan Drake Dee Hart

    -X- Amari Cooper DeAndrew White Marvin Shinn

    -Z- Kenny Bell Kevin Norwood Danny Woodson

    -H- Chrsition Jones Cyrus Jones Chris Black

    -TE/HB- Brian Vogler Malcolm Faciane Harrison Jones Kurt Freitag

    -LT- Cyrus Kouandjio Kellen Williams

    -LG- Anthony Steen Chad Lindsay

    -C- Ryan Kelly Isaac Luatua

    -RG- Arie Kouandjio Alphonse Taylor Caleb Gulledge

    -RT- Austin Shepherd Brandon Greene

    -DE- Ed Stinson DJ Pettway Dakota Ball Wilson Love Chris Bonds

    -NG- Brandon Ivory Darren Lake William Ming

    -DE- Jeoffrey Pagan LaMichael Fanning Dalvin Tomlinson Korren Kirven Anthony Orr

    -Jack- Xzavier Dickson Denzel Devall Ryan Anderson

    -Will- CJ Mosley Tana Patrick Brent Calloway

    -Mike- Trey DePriest Reggie Ragland Tyler Hayes

    -Sam- Adrian Hubbard Dillon Lee Jonathan Atchison

    -CB- Deion Belue Bradley Sylve Jabriel Washington

    -CB- Geno Smith John Fulton

    -SS- Vinnie Sunseri Landon Collins Jarrick Williams

    -FS- HaHa Clinton-Dix Nick Perry Eddie Williams

    -K- Cade Foster Adam Griffith

    -P- Cody Mandell

    Thanks for the roster update....now I dont have to look for it. Good Lawd we are loaded with talent....SCARY!!

    Sin City Tider

  • I guess the offseason has officially started. We do t make the rules. We just follow them.

    ROLL TIDE haters.

    bcbama ●

  • Adamson651 said...

    Edit: NOT AN OVER-SIGNING THREAD

    After USC, Alabama has been my favorite team to watch. I have known the roster pretty well the past couple of seasons, but never had the scholarship players down, like I do with USC. So, last night I was bored and tried to figure it out. Here are some questions for some Bama fans:

    1. Assuming Fluker, Lacy and Milliner are the only juniors to leave early for the draft, that means Bama will be returning 71 scholarship players? (Listed below)

    2. You guys can bring in 27 this year? (25 + 2 open spots from Hill & Dixon not qualifying last year)

    3. Do you plan on bringing in 27 this year?

    4. Assuming you bring in 27, that would put you guys at 98 scholarship players, which is obviously too many. So, which 13 current players do you think will not be with the team next season?

    71 scholarship players (check for accuracy):

    -QB- AJ McCarron Blake Sims Alec Morris Phillip Ely

    -RB- TJ Yeldon Jalston Fowler Kenyan Drake Dee Hart

    -X- Amari Cooper DeAndrew White Marvin Shinn

    -Z- Kenny Bell Kevin Norwood Danny Woodson

    -H- Chrsition Jones Cyrus Jones Chris Black

    -TE/HB- Brian Vogler Malcolm Faciane Harrison Jones Kurt Freitag

    -LT- Cyrus Kouandjio Kellen Williams

    -LG- Anthony Steen Chad Lindsay

    -C- Ryan Kelly Isaac Luatua

    -RG- Arie Kouandjio Alphonse Taylor Caleb Gulledge

    -RT- Austin Shepherd Brandon Greene

    -DE- Ed Stinson DJ Pettway Dakota Ball Wilson Love Chris Bonds

    -NG- Brandon Ivory Darren Lake William Ming

    -DE- Jeoffrey Pagan LaMichael Fanning Dalvin Tomlinson Korren Kirven Anthony Orr

    -Jack- Xzavier Dickson Denzel Devall Ryan Anderson

    -Will- CJ Mosley Tana Patrick Brent Calloway

    -Mike- Trey DePriest Reggie Ragland Tyler Hayes

    -Sam- Adrian Hubbard Dillon Lee Jonathan Atchison

    -CB- Deion Belue Bradley Sylve Jabriel Washington

    -CB- Geno Smith John Fulton

    -SS- Vinnie Sunseri Landon Collins Jarrick Williams

    -FS- HaHa Clinton-Dix Nick Perry Eddie Williams

    -K- Cade Foster Adam Griffith

    -P- Cody Mandell

    I counted 109 players fwiw

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    NoVaNoles ●

  • Adamson651 said...

    1. Assuming Fluker, Lacy and Milliner are the only juniors to leave early for the draft, that means Bama will be returning 71 scholarship players? (Listed below that would put you guys at 98 scholarship players, which is obviously too many. So, which 13 current players do you think will not be with the team next season?

    71 scholarship players (check for accuracy):

    -QB-
    AJ McCarron
    Blake Sims
    Alec Morris
    Phillip Ely

    -RB-
    TJ Yeldon
    Jalston Fowler
    Kenyan Drake
    Dee Hart

    -X-
    Amari Cooper
    DeAndrew White
    Marvin Shinn

    -Z-
    Kenny Bell
    Kevin Norwood
    Danny Woodson

    -H-
    Chrsition Jones
    Cyrus Jones
    Chris Black

    -TE/HB-
    Brian Vogler
    Malcolm Faciane
    Harrison Jones
    Kurt Freitag

    -LT-
    Cyrus Kouandjio
    Kellen Williams

    -LG-
    Anthony Steen
    Chad Lindsay

    -C-
    Ryan Kelly
    Isaac Luatua

    -RG-
    Arie Kouandjio
    Alphonse Taylor
    Caleb Gulledge

    -RT-
    Austin Shepherd
    Brandon Greene

    -DE-
    Ed Stinson
    DJ Pettway
    Dakota Ball
    Wilson Love
    Chris Bonds

    -NG-
    Brandon Ivory
    Darren Lake
    William Ming

    -DE-
    Jeoffrey Pagan
    LaMichael Fanning
    Dalvin Tomlinson
    Korren Kirven
    Anthony Orr

    -Jack-
    Xzavier Dickson
    Denzel Devall
    Ryan Anderson

    -Will-
    CJ Mosley
    Tana Patrick
    Brent Calloway

    -Mike-
    Trey DePriest
    Reggie Ragland
    Tyler Hayes

    -Sam-
    Adrian Hubbard
    Dillon Lee
    Jonathan Atchison

    -CB-
    Deion Belue
    Bradley Sylve
    Jabriel Washington

    -CB-
    Geno Smith
    John Fulton

    -SS-
    Vinnie Sunseri
    Landon Collins
    Jarrick Williams

    -FS-
    HaHa Clinton-Dix
    Nick Perry
    Eddie Williams

    -K-
    Cade Foster
    Adam Griffith

    -P-
    Cody Mandell

    Dang, that had to have put a damper on the locker room celebration with players knowing that 18-20% (12-14 players) of the 71 returning scholarships players in the room will be asked to "move on" by the Alabama coaching staff despite having eligibility left, thus missing out on a chance to make history and maybe win 3 Mythicals in a row and 4 out of 5.

    NcaaAssassinG13

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Now I will laugh at you

    how many USC QB's have won the Super Bowl again ? coffee

    still laughing at that failed spin.

    Crimson_Ghost

  • I did the the math the other day and it wasn't easy. Last 4 years, Alabama enrolled 106 new scholarship players, but always kept 85 on roster. Maybe that is totally legit.. Or maybe it is extreme roster management. Either way, that is some serious turnover.

    Jagstyle ●

  • sulkev

    i must ask, where did you get the fictional " 106 enrolled" # ?

    i'll assume before you answer, it was from a NSD L.O.I. list ?

    This post was edited by Crimson_Ghost on 1/11/2013 at 5:39 AM

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    sulkev

    i must ask, where did you get the fictional " 106 enrolled" # ?

    i'll assume before you answerit was from a NSD L.O.I. list ?

    tic,tic,tic

    the UA admissions office perhaps ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Crimson_Ghost said...

    tic,tic,tic

    the UA admissions office perhaps ?

    nerd I used rivals, 247, BamaMag, espn. I averaged from those 4 sources.

    Jagstyle ●

  • sullkev said...

    nerd I used rivals, 247, BamaMag, espn. I averaged from those 4 sources.

    NSD L.O.I. lists ?

    a "letter of intent" (or LOI) is a document outlining an agreement between two or more parties BEFORE the agreement is FINALIZED.

    L.O.I. lists ? headslap

    Crimson_Ghost

  • sullkev said...

    nerd I used rivals, 247, BamaMag, espn. I averaged from those 4 sources.

    hopefully now you realize that "those 4 sources" ARE NOT actual "signed/enrolled" numbers.

    here is a "source".... NCAA 25/85 rule. read it, learn it, realize it.

    its virtually as easy as turning on a light once you figure out the up & down switch on the wall. shrug

    Crimson_Ghost

  • Adamson651 said...

    Edit: NOT AN OVER-SIGNING THREAD

    After USC, Alabama has been my favorite team to watch. I have known the roster pretty well the past couple of seasons, but never had the scholarship players down, like I do with USC. So, last night I was bored and tried to figure it out. Here are some questions for some Bama fans:

    1. Assuming Fluker, Lacy and Milliner are the only juniors to leave early for the draft, that means Bama will be returning 71 scholarship players? (Listed below)

    2. You guys can bring in 27 this year? (25 + 2 open spots from Hill & Dixon not qualifying last year)

    3. Do you plan on bringing in 27 this year?

    4. Assuming you bring in 27, that would put you guys at 98 scholarship players, which is obviously too many. So, which 13 current players do you think will not be with the team next season?

    71 scholarship players (check for accuracy):

    -QB- AJ McCarron Blake Sims Alec Morris Phillip Ely

    -RB- TJ Yeldon Jalston Fowler Kenyan Drake Dee Hart

    -X- Amari Cooper DeAndrew White Marvin Shinn

    -Z- Kenny Bell Kevin Norwood Danny Woodson

    -H- Chrsition Jones Cyrus Jones Chris Black

    -TE/HB- Brian Vogler Malcolm Faciane Harrison Jones Kurt Freitag

    -LT- Cyrus Kouandjio Kellen Williams

    -LG- Anthony Steen Chad Lindsay

    -C- Ryan Kelly Isaac Luatua

    -RG- Arie Kouandjio Alphonse Taylor Caleb Gulledge

    -RT- Austin Shepherd Brandon Greene

    -DE- Ed Stinson DJ Pettway Dakota Ball Wilson Love Chris Bonds

    -NG- Brandon Ivory Darren Lake William Ming

    -DE- Jeoffrey Pagan LaMichael Fanning Dalvin Tomlinson Korren Kirven Anthony Orr

    -Jack- Xzavier Dickson Denzel Devall Ryan Anderson

    -Will- CJ Mosley Tana Patrick Brent Calloway

    -Mike- Trey DePriest Reggie Ragland Tyler Hayes

    -Sam- Adrian Hubbard Dillon Lee Jonathan Atchison

    -CB- Deion Belue Bradley Sylve Jabriel Washington

    -CB- Geno Smith John Fulton

    -SS- Vinnie Sunseri Landon Collins Jarrick Williams

    -FS- HaHa Clinton-Dix Nick Perry Eddie Williams

    -K- Cade Foster Adam Griffith

    -P- Cody Mandell

    That Roster is just sick!

    We are going to fvck some people up next year!

    alley_bammer ●

  • alley_bammer said...

    That Roster is just sick!

    We are going to fvck some people up next year!

    Not if AJ gets hurt, cause your QB depth chart is a hot mess

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    NoVaNoles ●

  • Colin Cowherd addressed the very thing the other day, and he hit the nail on the head. Envy is an ugly word. He said don't be envious of Alabama and its dynasty, figure out how the hell they did it.

    I would suggest that all of the butt hurt fans ITT take your "lists" to the head coach of your favorite school, and together you guys formulate a plan.

    My God, Coach Saban is processing the entire landscape of CFB. I've never seen the bitching and belly-aching that Saban produces in other fans. It is priceless.

    bigwilly64

  • rolBAMAballs said...

    True. We've got Bateman who won't be ready and a few upperclassmen clipboard guys

    Wishbone IMO

    Alec Morris (2012's most underrated steal) will be the #2 QB in 13'- while Sims gets the speed option reps.

    Crimson_Ghost

  • NoVaNoles said...

    Not if AJ gets hurt, cause your QB depth chart is a hot mess

    I think I could win 10 games at Bama as QB. I may have the second worst QB rating in the country, ahead of Kiehl Frazier at Auburn, but Bama's defense and running game is good enough to win 10 games.

    justinboze

  • justinboze said...

    I think I could win 10 games at Bama as QB. I may have the second worst QB rating in the country, ahead of Kiehl Frazier at Auburn, but Bama's defense and running game is good enough to win 10 games.

    False

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  • NoVaNoles said...

    False

    Really? You think Frazier is better than me?

    justinboze

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