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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Sorry but that's absolute garbage by them to stir up people. That is not a Christian group and is a slap in the face of any Christian.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They believe in Jesus. They think he's God. They think he died for their sins. They think worshipping him leads to salvation.

    Hence, Christian.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • Anyone under the impression that the WBC is actually a church is sorely mistaken.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They believe in Jesus. They think he's God. They think he died for their sins. They think worshipping him leads to salvation.

    Hence, Christian.

    They use God and Jesus as a justification to do hateful things. They are not a church, they're fvcking pussies who hide behind children at picket lines.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Anyone under the impression that the WBC is actually a church is sorely mistaken.

    The government recognizes them as a church and gives them tax-exempt status as a result.

    The WBC absolutely is a church and absolutely is made up of christians.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    The government recognizes them as a church and gives them tax-exempt status as a result.

    The WBC absolutely is a church and absolutely is made up of christians.

    no

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  • Hawkifish said...

    They use God and Jesus as a justification to do hateful things. They are not a church, they're fvcking pussies who hide behind children at picket lines.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian

    1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

    They absolutely do that. They are christian. I'm presuming you're a christian, and the only reason you don't think they are is because you don't want to be grouped in with them.

    I'm not saying they aren't assholes. They are. But assholes who believe in christ are christian.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

    They believe in Jesus. They think he's God. They think he died for their sins. They think worshipping him leads to salvation.

    Hence, Christian.

    You just used Wikipedia as a reference? Sorry but anyone who thinks God hates anyone, does
    A) either not know what the Bible actually says or
    B) is knowingly going against what God represents.
    We are taught that we are all sinners, God doesn't hate homosexuals because it is Biblically immoral. Does he hate sin, yes, the people he created? No. Let's not turn this into a theology debate. Clearly, these people are messed up and aren't Christians, simple as that.

    This post was edited by TAMUWolverine on 12/16/2012 at 2:43 PM

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    You just used Wikipedia as a reference? Sorry but anyone who thinks God hates anyone, does A) either not know what the Bible actually says or B) is knowingly going against what God represents. We are taught that we are all sinners, God doesn't hate homosexuals because it is Biblically immoral. Does he hate sin, yes, the people he created? No. Let's not turn this into a theology debate. Clearly, these people are messed up and aren't Christians, simple as that.

    Google 'No True Scotsman'. It's a well-known logical fallacy.

    I'm at work, but in the WBC FAQ they address A and B complete with biblical references.

    They interpret the bible differently than you do, and differently than mainstream America does. But they still think Jesus is god, and they still follow christ. That makes them christian.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Christian

    1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

    They absolutely do that. They are christian. I'm presuming you're a christian, and the only reason you don't think they are is because you don't want to be grouped in with them.

    I'm not saying they aren't assholes. They are. But assholes who believe in christ are christian.

    I get that that's what they say, but its all a cover for them to justify their atrocities.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    I get that that's what they say, but its all a cover for them to justify their atrocities.

    How do you know that? You can't know whether someone 'actually believes' or whether it's all a show.

    In fact, that definition I linked to was smart enough to know that. Hence, 'professing belief' and not 'believing'.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    How do you know that? You can't know whether someone 'actually believes' or whether it's all a show.

    In fact, that definition I linked to was smart enough to know that. Hence, 'professing belief' and not 'believing'.

    Because they're actions do not coincide with what they say they believe.

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  • lol Short answer-no. I understand you're position against Christianity and religion but no, those morons don't care about God or believe in him. They care about stirring up trouble and controversy and making millions off it.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    lol Short answer-no. I understand you're position against Christianity and religion but no, those morons don't care about God or believe in him. They care about stirring up trouble and controversy and making millions off it.

    This.

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  • Hawkifish said...

    Because they're actions do not coincide with what they say they believe.

    All they are doing is 'spreading the word'. They do it in absolutely terrible taste and their interpretation of the bible differs from virtually everyone else, but they are preaching. And that's what they say they are doing as well.

    We have no proof that this is all a scam, so you have to take them at their word.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • TAMUWolverine said...

    lol Short answer-no. I understand you're position against Christianity and religion but no, those morons don't care about God or believe in him. They care about stirring up trouble and controversy and making millions off it.

    Is the Taliban made up of Muslims?

    ramssuperbowl99

  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    Is the Taliban made up of Muslims?

    I'm sure some are but when I think of the Taliban I don't automatically think Muslims, I think radical terrorists. That's an idiotic and short sighted view on life. When I think of Chinese people, I don't think of Panda Express.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    I'm sure some are but when I think of the Taliban I don't automatically think Muslims, I think radical terrorists. That's an idiotic and short sighted view on life. When I think of Chinese people, I don't think of Panda Express.

    If you think the Taliban can be made up of Muslims, you certainly have to allow for the possibility that some of the WBC is made up of christians. And, just like you call the Taliban a Muslim-terrorist organization (they admit to the muslim part and, at least a little bit of the terrorist part), you call the WBC a christian organization.

    Pretty much the only argument I've heard that the WBC isn't made up of christians can be summed up as 'the WBC is full of jerks and christians aren't jerks'. That's horsecrap.

    Also, that last sentence is hilarious. You can't know anything about chinese people.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • Also, to your point I don't know the Quran, I don't think anywhere in there it talks about murdering innocents in the name of Alla. I'm sure any Muslim what tell you the same thing.

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Also, to your point I don't know the Quran, I don't think anywhere in there it talks about murdering innocents in the name of Alla. I'm sure any Muslim what tell you the same thing.

    Actually it does. The Qu'ran states:
    Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah: And with regard to those left behind, who have not yet joined them (in their bliss), the Shuhada's [martyrs'] glory is in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.
    — Sura 3, Ayat 169 - 170

    Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

    On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

    Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - Sura 2:191

    Moderate muslims just ignore that stuff, just like moderate christians ignore all the fire and brimstone in the OT. The taliban and WBC just interpret all the violent stuff literally.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - Surah 5:54

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - Surah 8:39

    More examples.

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  • ramssuperbowl99 said...

    O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - Surah 5:54

    Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - Surah 8:39

    More examples.

    Pretty sure I said I didn't know what the Quran stated, so...

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  • TAMUWolverine said...

    Pretty sure I said I didn't know what the Quran stated, so...

    I wasn't trying to make a jackass out of you, but I do know what the Qu'ran states regarding anyone who doesn't believe in Allah, so I posted it.

    It's all a matter of interpretation. The taliban interprets every word of the Qu'ran at literal, face value. Moderate Muslims ignore the unpleasant parts.

    Likewise, the WBC interprets every word of the bible literally. Virtually every american christian ignores most of the prophets, the fire and brimstone, the stuff. Some more moderate christians ignore the homosexuality parts. It's all believing what you want to believe.

    That doesn't make any of those people less devout. Someone isn't more or less muslim/christian depending on their interpretation.

    ramssuperbowl99

  • Wake up people. It is a regligious organization for tax purposes only. They don't care about Jesus or God, only about working the system to make money. The fact that they have some on here fooled to think that they do this in Jesus' name is sad. They are using you guys.

    getmyjive11

  • CrimsonTemplar said...

    Technically cults and religions are the same thing. Cults just haven't hit the same lvl of numbers a religion has. Sry

    You do not know what you are talking about. I would not post anything about organized religion ever again because you are completely off base.

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  • They are not Christians. Bottom line. If you are a Christian you are to adhere to the New Testament & the teachings of Jesus Christ. Find one line or scripture where Christ teaches hate or intolerance toward any peoples. No matter of race, sexual orientation ect. He did not teach hate, he taught that through him & love & respect for one another we could all enjoy the kingdom beside him.

    big john