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***All about the 247Sports Player Rankings

  • I posted this on our new Virginia Tech site and figured I would drop it here. For those that have questions generally about our player rankings, here's an in-depth explanation.

    Frequency

    Our rankings are different than others in the sense that they constantly act as a "big board" of sorts with prospects moving up and down frequently. There is no standard "release" time for an update as we let the discovery process dictate that. We also do not set a pre-determined number of prospects to rank in states and at positions nationally- we simply rank as many as we can.

    Already for the Class of 2013, we have ranked a significant number of prospects.

    http://247sports.com/Recruit/Rankings

    Grading Scale

    At 247Sports, each recruit that we evaluate will be assigned a numerical rating as well as a star rating. The rankings are determined by our recruiting analysts after hours of personal observations, film evaluation and input from our network and other reliable sources of information.

    Players are ranked by position, grouped qualitatively with a star ranking and given a numerical ranking based on their future potential. The explanation for the numerical rankings is below.

    110 - 101 = A player ranked in this range is a "franchise player." He is one of the best to come along in years - if not decades (LeBron James, Adrian Peterson). Odds of having a player in this category every year is slim. This prospect has “can’t miss” talent.

    100 - 98 = Five-star prospect. One of the top 25 or so prospects in the nation. Player has excellent pro potential, and should emerge as one of the best players in the country before his college career ends

    97 - 90 = Four-star prospect. Prospect will be an impact-player for his college team. All-America candidate who displays pro potential. Typically one of the top 300 players in the nation.

    89 - 80 = Three-star prospect. These are the players who will develop into reliable starters for the college teams. They are among the best players in their region of the country, and are generally among the top 750 players in the nation.

    79 - below = Two-star prospect. These players make up the bulk of Division I rosters. They may have little pro potential, are likely to become role players for their respective schools or not enough is known about the prospect to rank them accurately.

    Philosophy

    Our philosophy, to account for the accelerated recruiting process, is to rank prospects earlier in their high school careers than what has been previously done in this business. Because a player can develop dramatically or not in a 2-3 year period in the sport of football, that’s going to make for greater movement in the rankings.

    So it’s not out of the question that a player is No. 8 to begin with and finishes at No. 90 or he’s No. 187 and finishes No. 12. The delta for the player’s final ranking (which is what matters and what we should be judged on in that regard) is much wider during a 24-36 month period than an 8-12 month period.

    Think of it (and I use this comparison often) as an NFL Draft “big board”. Two years out, a player may be projected as a top five pick, but when all is said and done, after seasons on the field, combines and pro days, other types of evaluations, etc., he may slip to the third round or so.

    I certainly am not saying that we are justified if we have a kid start out as a five star with a rating of 102 and end up as a two star with a rating of 75. That’s drastic and inconsistent. But we’ve found that it’s human nature for fans to look at a 30-40 spot drop in rankings and wonder what their favorite prospect going to their school “did wrong” or why we “don’t think he’s good”. Well, the drop doesn’t mean either, it just means when we re-adjusted everything, including the rankings of other prospects, said prospect fell to that particular point in the rankings.

    Rankings are fun for you guys to debate, celebrate, complain about, etc., and they are fun for us to put together. That’s why we are going to push the envelope and get rankings out earlier- so you guys can enjoy them and learn about the prospects at an earlier date- so on a day like today- a junior day- you can really dig in and get a true sense of what is going on inside your favorite football program.

    Team Rankings

    Team rankings are determined by a numerical formula. You can access the formula on the team rankings page linked below and clicking the (i) button at the top of the page.

    http://247sports.com/Team/Ranking

    Explanation

    Each recruit is weighted in the rankings according to a Gaussian distribution formula (a bell curve), where a team's best recruit is worth the most points. You can think of a team's point score as being the sum of ratings of all the team's commits where the best recruit is worth 100% of his rating value, the second best recruit is worth nearly 100% of his rating value, down to the last recruit who is worth a small fraction of his rating value. This formula ensures that all commits contribute at least some value to the team's score without heavily rewarding teams that have several more commitments than others.

    Readers familiar with the Gaussian distribution formula will note that we used the value 6 for σ because this was the standard deviation for total number of commits between schools as they were ranked during the 2011 recruitment year, the year this formula was developed. This standard deviation creates a bell curve with an inflection point near the average number of players recruited per team.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Our rankings are different than others in the sense that they constantly act as a 'big board' of sorts with prospects moving up and down frequently. There is no standard 'release' time for an update as we let the discovery process dictate that. We also do not set a pre-determined number of prospects to rank in states and at positions nationally- we simply rank as many as we can.

    Probably my favorite aspect of 24/7.

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    EF_Wolverine

  • EF_Wolverine said...

    Probably my favorite aspect of 24/7.

    agreed

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    Hawkifish

  • EF_Wolverine said...

    Probably my favorite aspect of 24/7.

    Agreed, and should be pinned every now and then.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Agreed, and should be pinned every now and then.

    Done- pinned it. Thanks guys. The process is a bit different for us and we feel it's important to explain it as frequently as we can. We appreciate your support!

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    JC Shurburtt

  • Which guys do the rankings of the players?

    Michmania

  • So that explains the sudden rise of Christian Hackenberg out of nowhere.

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    I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you've probably misunderstood what I've said.

    psu2013

  • I was wondering, because today I notice two players with 100+ ratings. Never got around to asking, now I know. Many Thanks! This is why 247 is the best.

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  • Michmania said...

    Which guys do the rankings of the players?

    Myself- formerly of Rivals and ESPN (good calls- Cam Newton, C.J. Spiller/bad calls- Mitch Mustain and Enrique Davis)

    Gerry Hamilton- formerly of ESPN, Scout and Rivals (named Robert Woods and Sammy Watkins top receiver in the country in back-to-back classes)

    Barton Simmons- formerly of Rivals- played college football at Yale (great early calls with Kyle Murphy in this class and Odell Beckham in the 2011 class)

    Steve Wiltfong- covers the Big Ten/Midwest like a glove- first analyst to rank Jaylon Smith as high as he is right now and out-of-region was the first person on our team to call Amari Cooper one of the top receivers in the country- last summer.

    In the end, it's our call, but we also seek feedback from a variety of informed sources constantly.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • psu2013 said...

    So that explains the sudden rise of Christian Hackenberg out of nowhere.

    Yes. That was because of film/feedback combined with what we saw at the US Army Combine.

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  • OhioHawk07 said...

    I was wondering, because today I notice two players with 100+ ratings. Never got around to asking, now I know. Many Thanks! This is why 247 is the best.

    Thanks for the kind words! There were no franchise players in the 2010 or 2012 classes. In 2011, Jadeveon Clowney and Cyrus Kouandijo were the only two. This cycle (2013) we have two as well.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    79 - below = Two-star prospect. These players make up the bulk of Division I rosters. They may have little pro potential, are likely to become role players for their respective schools or not enough is known about the prospect to rank them accurately.

    "I honestly have no clue what you're talking about."

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    Final Countdown

  • Dantonio looks like former presidential candidate John Huntsman in that picture.

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  • Great post JC, but why don't you guys think Jameis Winston is good? What did he do wrong?

    This post was edited by TNoles813 on 2/21/2012 at 12:53 PM

    TNoles813

  • T-Noles813 said...

    Great post JC, but why don't you guys think Jameis Winston is good? What did he do wrong?

    LOL. Good one.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Thanks for the kind words! There were no franchise players in the 2010 or 2012 classes. In 2011, Jadeveon Clowney and Cyrus Kouandijo were the only two. This cycle (2013) we have two as well.

    So 3 of the last 4 franchise players are going\headed to bama, and the fourth had bama in the final two. nice

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  • So in 2013 there are five players in Florida high schools that are better recruits than the best one from Texas? Three from Georgia? Is this a really down year for Texas recruiting, because that can't be normal? I get that it is an unusually good year for Georgia, but I have a hard time believing all five of those guys from Florida are better than Perkins and RSJ & Ford & the rest.

    This post was edited by Maturin1 on 2/21/2012 at 10:43 PM

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  • Maturin1 said...

    So in 2013 there are five players in Florida high schools that are better recruits than the best one from Texas? Three from Georgia? Is this a really down year for Texas recruiting, because that can't be normal? I get that it is an unusually good year for Georgia, but I have a hard time believing all five of those guys from Florida are better than Perkins and RSJ & Ford & the rest.

    That's how we see it. Gerry Hamilton has seen all of the guys you are talking about. It's an accurate call. Texas is deep but at this point there aren't guys who we feel are better individually in the national rankings. Could Ford or Perkins end up there? Absolutely.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • JC: Thank you for the transparency. I really appreciate you guys being open with your rankings formula/evaluation process.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    JC: Thank you for the transparency. I really appreciate you guys being open with your rankings formula/evaluation process.

    No problem. That's a big goal of ours here.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • JC mind Sharing what you heard at the Army combine as well as your thoughts on Hackenberg?

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    I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you've probably misunderstood what I've said.

    psu2013

  • psu2013 said...

    JC mind Sharing what you heard at the Army combine as well as your thoughts on Hackenberg?

    On Hackenberg? Best quarterback there.

    I like the fact that he's a good quarterback right now, but still has a ceiling. He has a good arm, good size and above average athleticism and still can get better.

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  • I have to say, I understand why the lowest rating you have is a 70, but it still bothers me that it's a 40 point scale that goes from 70 to 110. But I can understand why you wouldn't want to rate a kid a 0 and have 40 be the highest possible score. Looks better.

    I'll also admit that I was bored a while back and I set about using the point totals in the team rankings to figure out exactly how the points were calculated. It took me an hour or so to figure out the Gaussian distribution and after that the rest was pretty easy. Then I came on the site and was going to ask someone why you chose the formula you did...and realized I could have saved myself a lot of work just by clicking on the "i" button next to the "Football Team Rankings" title. headslap

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    psubills62

  • The way that this reads to me is don't worry Alabama, if you recruit 'em they will be ranked pretty darn high.

    Hognick