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The same country that secretly kept hidden Osama bin Laden..

Their not war crimes b/c we are also party of the War on Terror, there are terroist organizations in Pakistan so therefore it is acceptable..

I got heated before I apologize btw we are conducting drone strikes b/c we know there are terroists camp or individuals in the country right? lists of terrorism in pakistan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Pakistan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Pakistan, High valued targets are living in Pakistan and since the highest valued target was found living there, Al-Qaeda is usually not always in co-operation with Pakistan forces. That is completely different than terroist organization in the USA where our government 100% prohibits it..

Wikipedia probably isn't allowed as a source at your high school so shouldn't be used here, regardless, your own 'source' basically says Pakistan sucked in the 80s, 99.99% of citizens think "terrorism" is a misguided holy war and want nothing to do with it, and that most of their attention is on the ongoing terrorist attacks amongst themselves between opposing Muslim sects.

They still co-exist with Al-Qaeda which is unacceptable if they 100% banned Al Qaeda they wouldn't be getting struck by drones..

It's called a War on terror and if your country supports terroism like Pakistan who housed Osama bin Laden than yes casualties will occur, terroisim is completely different than a regular war where you can declare war on an entire country so therefore you cant escape killing civilian casualites..

Oh yea? Was there a lot of precedence set on these "wars on terror" before we made it up? This is a witch hunt, not a war.

Fine, then I guess if we slowly start killing off other countries and leave only red blooded Americans(no queers obviously) then eventually we'll have nothing to fear...

It turned long before I posted! No different than any other political thread on this board. I am no fan of Obama but this does hit a little closer to home than something that happens over seas. This is all kinda relevant IMO because I don't remember seeing all the Muslims in sand land crying for the ones we lost 9/11 either, leaders included so you would do yourself some good by remembering that day and know that is the reason for the drone strikes to begin with. I am with Obama on this and this only, he took office promising an end to all the middle east fighting but as I suspected he became privy to what was really going on over there and understood the real threat and knew a presence would always be needed so the lesson is if you love your women and children do not hide your terrorists amongst them.

How did you feel about the shootings in CT. Where you upset?

Do you think you would feel the same type of empathy about this shooting if it was in Bangladesh?

Societies tend to care more about there "own" more than "others". Thats how human nature and civilizations function.

I agree there is hypocristy here but "the 259 strikes for which he is ultimately responsible killed between 297 and 569 civilians, of whom at least 64 were children," is an extremely low number for civilians deaths in a war-zone.

For comparison sakes up to 1,000,000 million civilians died in the Vietnam War. Many of them killed by brutally carpet bombing Hanoi with B-52 bombers.

We aren't just fighting a "war on terror' That is a terrible misnomer. In addition to "terrorists", we are fighting for the stability of the pro-American government in Afghanistan. We are fighting the Taliban, groups like the Haqqani Network, local warlords, and drug-dealers. These groups want to control Afghanistan and they want to remove Karzai from power.

The people in Pakistan that we are bombing have killed or will one day kill American soldiers and when the war started they used the Pakistani "border" as a hiding place, hence the increase in drone use. They are ethnically related to the Afghan-Taliban and they don't consider themselves "Afghans" or "Pakistanis", they are Pashtuns. A border on a map doesn't mean anything to them. The regions they live in aren't even considered states by the Pakistani government. They are "autonomous tribal areas" and for many years the Pakistani Army and Officials stayed out of these areas for their own safety.

The "soldiers" that attack Americans in Afghanistan are trained and armed in Pakistan. It is a indisputable fact that the "Taliban" was created with the funding and consent of the Pakistani "CIA". If the enemy uses the border as a hiding place, and the government of Pakistan is unable or unwilling to stop them, the US government has every right to go after them.

Also many Pakistanis were "pro-taliban/anti-american" until these groups started attacking and Pakistanis civilians. The Pakistani military was content to sit on the sidelines (occasionally firing artillery at US soldiers) until the "Taliban" and/or "Terrorists" starting killing Pakistani civilians in the Swat valley a few years ago.

Isn't it ironic that many Pakistanis were indifferent to the terror and violence commited IN Afghanistan, until these same "terrorists" starting killing Pakistanis?

They aren't????????

.... Sad? But using drones vs actual pilots for literally has nothing to do with the conversation.