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RabbitSC said...
I read only most of your link because it was a long read, but although the writer takes the viewpoint that there shouldn't be gun bans, he brings to light a little-known point:
The past gun ban didn't really ban a lot of guns. The criteria for a "banned gun" was based mostly on cosmetic bullshit. It banned rifles with pistol grips, bayonet mounts, a flash suppressor, a folding stock. It also only applied to guns manufactured after the date the ban was passed, so not only could you own your old weapon, you could still buy or sell one legally. The AR-15 was banned, not because of its capacity to kill, but because of its pistol grip. It was nonsensical, bullshit legislation that did little but make our most dangerous weapons somewhat more expensive. Hundreds of thousands of AR-15s alone were legally bought and sold during the ban.
This post was edited by azvalleybuckeye on 12/21/2012 at 2:52 PM
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Wasn't this the overboard statement that I was trying to attribute to RabbitSC to show him how off balanced some peoples thinking can get?
Well here you go Rabbit. Some people actually want shit like this to happen. I've always been a fan of dim sum though.
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azvalleybuckeye said...
Like I already stated, the AR is a glorified .22 rifle.
It has no more 'capacity to kill' than most other firearms.. It is banned based on looks more so than function. Not to mention "assault rifles" are rarely used in murders, why gun control advocates are harping on such a senseless idea it beyond me.
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azvalleybuckeye said...
Like I already stated, the AR is a glorified .22 rifle.
It has no more 'capacity to kill' than most other firearms.. It is banned based on looks more so than function. Not to mention "assault rifles" are rarely used in murders, why gun control advocates are harping on such a senseless idea it beyond me.
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To compare the .223 to a .22 long rifle (even through omission) is extremely disingenuous.
A sensible "assault weapons" (the term has little meaning) ban would limit high capacity magazines. To say that a AR-15 has no more capacity to kill than, say, a .223 bolt action rifle, is just nuts.
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RabbitSC said...
And when some dumbass forum troll from Alabama who doesn't know the difference between 'there' and 'their' becomes the Secretary of Defense I'll shake your hand and join your militia. I also don't see the connection between the U.S. Government confiscating weapons and being taken over by China but I'll leave you to connect the dots.
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To compare the .223 to a .22 long rifle (even through omission) is extremely disingenuous.
A sensible "assault weapons" (the term has little meaning) ban would limit high capacity magazines. To say that a AR-15 has no more capacity to kill than, say, a .223 bolt action rifle, is just nuts.
This post was edited by azvalleybuckeye on 12/21/2012 at 3:06 PM
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To compare the .223 to a .22 long rifle (even through omission) is extremely disingenuous.
A sensible "assault weapons" (the term has little meaning) ban would limit high capacity magazines. To say that a AR-15 has no more capacity to kill than, say, a .223 bolt action rifle, is just nuts.
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I've heard a lot of people coming out against AR's since the NewTown shooting but nobody has ever answered this one for me. What exactly would have been the difference if the guy walked into that school room and locked the door behind him with a pistol. It was 26 (I think because his mom wasn't there right?) unarmed people including 20 children. What would have been the difference if the dude had a couple of pistols? How about a machete and a thirst for blood?
All this gun control against AR's would have changed absolutely nothing that happened in CT.
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azvalleybuckeye said...
yep because surely they will get them all, and that won't throw our country into a revolutionary war or anything. Get real. On a side note, thanks for proving that your opinion can be completely discredited from here on out.
The second amendment was put in place to defend things exactly like the notion you just provided.
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To compare the .223 to a .22 long rifle (even through omission) is extremely disingenuous.
A sensible "assault weapons" (the term has little meaning) ban would limit high capacity magazines. To say that a AR-15 has no more capacity to kill than, say, a .223 bolt action rifle, is just nuts.
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GeorgiaBoy said...
You, sir, need to study ballistics.
It has become painfully obvious to me that you read a lot in lieu of actually having used the weapon you are claiming knowledge of.
Fact - The .223 is a shouldered center fire round. The .22 is a rimfire round. The projectile of the .223 is heavier and therefore impacts the target with more energy. Therein lies the only major difference. The funny thing, as it relates to this ignorant conversation, is that It was not designed to kill. It was designed to wound. Wounding an armed combatant is much better than killing him.....for obvious reasons.
If you are going to argue a point then at least learn what you are arguing about.
I would rather be shot with the .223 than the .22 magnum. There is a reason.......when you figure out what it is you will be worthy of debating this issue with someone other than a novice.
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What exactly is your point? I'm the one saying that a .223 and a .22 are different, as you go on espousing the differences. The OTHER guy is the one saying a .223 is just a fancy .22LR. The .223 has twice the muzzle velocity and is vastly more powerful. That's my point.
My statement that an AR-15 is more dangerous than a bolt action rifle of the same caliber should be a fairly obvious point. With one gun you can easily fire 30 rounds out of a single magazine, the other, not so much.
I also know what a freaking magnum round is. I'm not the idiot you think I am.
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RATT said...
Since we have some rifle experts around here I actually have a question. I got a .306 caliber Remington model 770 bolt action centerfire rifle with a scope, 22" barrel and 4 shot mag box just yesterday for Christmas from my father. I like to hunt but I've never been huge into getting into the specifics of my hunting rifles. I basically just center the scope and take it out to the woods during season.
How powerful and what kind of quality rifle is this that my father bought me. Thanks in advance to anyone that helps me out with this knowledge. Never been a rifle aficionado but it sounds like some guys in here are.
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