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Apparently there is no debt crisis

  • This was buried in the news feed today but thought it was worth giving a little bit of life.

    Thoughts anyone?

    President Obama: There Is No Debt Crisis - Yahoo! News

    From Yahoo! News: There has been no shortage of dire warnings about the mounting US national debt, but President Obama is now offering a different assessment: no big deal. “We don’t have an immediate crisis in terms of debt,” President Obama said in an exclusive interview with George...

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    LonestarAg_10

  • Short-term deficits are unimportant. Long-term ones are the ones that matter.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Short-term deficits are unimportant. Long-term ones are the ones that matter.

    No offense but i was kind of hoping for input from people with a little more understanding of the situation. You clearly have disregarded the effects of compound interest in your assessment.

    Unaccredited Junior College diplomas and all aside, thanks though for your thoughts.

    Anyone else?

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    LonestarAg_10

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    No offense but i was kind of hoping for input from people with a little more understanding of the situation. You clearly have disregarded the effects of compound interest in your assessment.

    Unaccredited Junior College diplomas and all aside, thanks though for your thoughts.

    Anyone else?

    Well are you speaking generally or in understanding of our current situation? If it's the latter then no. There is no debt CRISIS.

    This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 3/13/2013 at 4:07 PM

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    No offense but i was kind of hoping for input from people with a little more understanding of the situation. You clearly have disregarded the effects of compound interest in your assessment.

    Unaccredited Junior College diplomas and all aside, thanks though for your thoughts.

    Anyone else?

    roflmao

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    WillieMuffcramp

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Short-term deficits are unimportant. Long-term ones are the ones that matter.

    Well, this one has been around for a decade and has been growing at an accelerating rate. Which category does it fall under?

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 3/13/2013 at 4:11 PM

    MrWoodson

  • We are spending 3x times more per month than we are taking in. Its pretty damn clear we have a fiscal crisis.

    We no longer speak in terms of reducing true deficits but rather in terms of having a deficit less than the year before; yes we have a problem.

    The largest holder of US Treasuries is China who is close to a bust in their construction bubble; yes this is a clear and present danger.

    As I said you clearly lack the peripheral focus to understand the situation.

    I recommend you read Micheal Lewis' Boomerang. It might help or maybe you can write a book report on it in your 300 level international financial markets class.

    Thanks again though I get off work at 6:30 I will be ready then if you have any further questions.

    This post was edited by LonestarAg_10 on 3/13/2013 at 4:15 PM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Well, this one has been around for a decade and has been growing at an accelerating rate. Which category does it fall under?

    It's going to stabilize and then shit will hit the fan come the end of this decade and after.

    All that said, look at this and let me know when it's coming.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    1) We are spending 3x times more per month than we are taking in. Its pretty damn clear we have a fiscal crisis.

    We no longer speak in terms of reducing true deficits but rather in terms of having a deficit less than the year before; yes we have a problem.

    The largest holder of US Treasuries is China who is close to a bust in their construction bubble; yes this is a clear and present danger.

    As I said you clearly lack the peripheral focus to understand the situation.

    I recommend you read Micheal Lewis' Boomerang. It might help or maybe you can write a book report on it in your 300 level international financial markets class.

    1) Not true depending on the month. Averaged out, then yes.

    2) Deficits have been falling every year and are projected to until 2019 sans any deficit reduction (which clearly there will be)

    3) No. The US is the largest holder of US Treasuries by a LARGE amount.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    It's going to stabilize and then shit will hit the fan come the end of this decade and after.

    All that said, look at this and let me know when it's coming.

    You see how that graph goes both up and down? Well, when it starts going up again (and it will), we are going to be effed. Every 1% increase in the treasury rate eats up an additional $160 billion of your hard earned tax dollars, or about 10% of the annual budget. We don't need Washington to cut the budget. The international capital markets are going to do it for them. Wait and see.

    MrWoodson

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    We are spending 3x times more per month than we are taking in. Its pretty damn clear we have a fiscal crisis.

    We no longer speak in terms of reducing true deficits but rather in terms of having a deficit less than the year before; yes we have a problem.

    The largest holder of US Treasuries is China who is close to a bust in their construction bubble; yes this is a clear and present danger.

    As I said you clearly lack the peripheral focus to understand the situation.

    I recommend you read Micheal Lewis' Boomerang. It might help or maybe you can write a book report on it in your 300 level international financial markets class.

    Thanks again though I get off work at 6:30 I will be ready then if you have any further questions.

    All this is a little over my head since I don't really pay attention to it but chill with the personal attacks. You presented things to him. No need to act like he is dumb even if you think he is. Have some respect for his opinion or ignore his posts.

    This is to everyone: I'm getting real tired of posters downgrading other posters for their opinions. Present your facts and debate in a respectful way or I will start to take action in these political and religious threads.

    This post was edited by kitemac on 3/13/2013 at 4:30 PM

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    kitemac

  • MrWoodson said...

    You see how that graph goes both up and down? Well, when it starts going up again (and it will), we are going to be effed. Every 1% increase in the treasury rate eats up an additional $160 billion of your hard earned tax dollars, or about 10% of the annual budget. We don't need Washington to cut the budget. The international capital markets are going to do it for them. Wait and see.

    Tell me more about the oncoming bubble. I love this story. I get it told to me every night for four years.

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    "A political call, the fall guy accord...We can't afford to be neutral on a moving train..."

    BamaLivesFootba

  • MrWoodson said...

    Well, this one has been around for a decade and has been growing at an accelerating rate. Which category does it fall under?

    This is not true. The debt grows, but the deficit is lessening ... and is shrinking at the highest percentage in decades.

    Deficit to GDP is decreasing.

    Keith Niebuhr

  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    1) Not true depending on the month. Averaged out, then yes.

    2) Deficits have been falling every year and are projected to until 2019 sans any deficit reduction (which clearly there will be)

    3) No. The US is the largest holder of US Treasuries by a LARGE amount.

    1.) great so some months we are only spending 2.8x more than we bring in (by the way you should go into politics you are really good at pointing to outliers to the ignorant masses)

    2.)Projected? Clearly because math proves our 2% reduction in spending over the coming decade (from sequester) will zero our books.. rightliar how about that whole kicking the can down the road thing? maybe another eleventh hour fiscal cliff deal with no spending cuts will tickle your pickle. Grow up kid.

    3.) yes we are the largest holders simply because the Fed i.e. Bernanke has the ability to print and call back bonds as needed. In that since we have more or less an infinite amount. China holds the largest amount of finite T-bills and T-bonds; not domestic.

    FYI that is a cute 10-year treasury graph you posted there. You do realize the T-bond dips when there is a large supply of cash being pumped into the banking system (QE3). While more money is available to lend basic commodity price will rise right?

    But hey you clearly knew all this already correct?

    Will be waiting on that witty retort coming laced with big words from that pocket dictionary you carry around with you to Starbucks.

    I will give you a head start... Maybe look in the department of numbers and aggregate your own conclusions or retort rather than recite what some prof or pundit told you.

    This post was edited by LonestarAg_10 on 3/13/2013 at 4:42 PM

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    LonestarAg_10

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    No offense but i was kind of hoping for input from people with a little more understanding of the situation. You clearly have disregarded the effects of compound interest in your assessment.

    Unaccredited Junior College diplomas and all aside, thanks though for your thoughts.

    Anyone else?

    lol

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    DrStache

  • Keith Niebuhr said...

    This is not true. The debt grows, but the deficit is lessening ... and is shrinking at the highest percentage in decades.

    Deficit to GDP is decreasing.

    Yeah and do you know the drivers for that?

    That aside debt isn't free it carries interest and Uncle Sam isn't going to be getting IO assurances anytime soon...as in ever.

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  • kitemac said...

    All this is a little over my head since I don't really pay attention to it but chill with the personal attacks. You presented things to him. No need to act like he is dumb even if you think he is. Have some respect for his opinion or ignore his posts.

    This is to everyone: I'm getting real tired of posters downgrading other posters for their opinions. Present your facts and debate in a respectful way or I will start to take action in these political and religious threads.

    Sorry kitemac... no offense to the kid just trying to inform the uninformed.

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    LonestarAg_10

  • LonestarAg......please post here more often.

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    DrStache

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    1.) great so some months we are only spending 2.8x more than we bring in (by the way you should go into politics you are really good at pointing to outliers to the ignorant masses)

    2.)Projected? Clearly because math proves our 2% reduction in spending over the coming decade (from sequester) will zero our books.. rightliar how about that whole kicking the can down the road thing? maybe another eleventh hour fiscal cliff deal with no spending cuts will tickle your pickle. Grow up kid.

    3.) yes we are the largest holders simply because the Fed i.e. Bernanke has the ability to print and call back bonds as needed. In that since we have more or less an infinite amount. China holds the largest amount of finite T-bills and T-bonds; not domestic.

    FYI that is a cute 10-year treasury graph you posted there. You do realize the T-bond dips when there is a large supply of cash being pumped into the banking system. While more money is available to lend basic commodity price will rise right?

    But hey you clearly knew all this already correct?

    Will be waiting on that witty retort coming laced with big words from that pocket dictionary you carry around with you to Starbucks.

    I will give you a head start... Maybe look in the department of numbers and aggregate your own conclusions or retort rather than recite what some prof or pundit told you.

    You bash a poster again and you will have to wait a while to respond anything to them. Stop bashing posters. Debate is fine but stop downgrading posters.

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    kitemac

  • kitemac said...

    You bash a poster again and you will have to wait a while to respond anything to them. Stop bashing posters. Debate is fine but stop downgrading posters.

    Is this a new rule? Cause it hasn't been applied much at all in a while. And he called him a kid. There's posters on here who cuss people out that goes unnoticed.

    This post was edited by DrStache on 3/13/2013 at 4:45 PM

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    DrStache

  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    Sorry kitemac... no offense to the kid just trying to inform the uninformed.

    I'm fine with you informing him. Stop with the bashing though. It doesn't help your debate. Like I said I really don't know much about this topic but when soemone jsut bashes another poster it makes them look bad. If you can't dominate him with knowledge that you have to belittle him then you're not doing it right.

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  • Tidepride30 said...

    Is this a new rule? Cause it hasn't been applied much at all in a while.

    #2

    It's being applied now.

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    kitemac

  • kitemac said...

    You bash a poster again and you will have to wait a while to respond anything to them. Stop bashing posters. Debate is fine but stop downgrading posters.

    Not trying to stir anything up sir but I used no profanity, induced any threat, or called any names.

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  • LonestarAg_10 said...

    Not trying to stir anything up sir but I used no profanity, induced any threat, or called any names.

    Exactly. Nothing more than typical mods picking and choosing when to apply the rules. Far worse is on the front page now.

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    DrStache

  • Tidepride30 said...

    Is this a new rule? Cause it hasn't been applied much at all in a while. And he called him a kid. There's posters on here who cuss people out that goes unnoticed.

    popcorn

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