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Are straight people born straight?

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Hate the sin, love the person.

    Little story as an example, when my now 14 year old daughter was young, 4-5, when we prayed she always piped up, "and don't forget the bad people like robbers."

    We don't preach hate to our children.

    Fair enough. Still thinking it belittles the person which might not preach hate, but makes them think they are better, which they aren't.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    It just seems like you always have a personal beef with what I say. You always say condescending sh!t like while I dunno what they say in Canada or crap like that. It's getting old man.

    Gay isn't a "lifestyle" it's a sexual orientation or "preference". There isn't a certain way gay people live, gay people have different lifestyles. In case you didn't realize.

    I'm saying it's alright to try and lead your kid to a straight orientation (it's impossible IMO they are what they are) but teaching them that being gay is wrong is just teaching intolerance.

    I respond to alot of what you because I feel that alot of what you say is wrong. I am no more condescending to you as you are to me and my beliefs.

    I see it as a lifestyle choice, you don't. shrug

    You see parenting different than me, that doesn't surprise me.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I respond to alot of what you because I feel that alot of what you say is wrong. I am no more condescending to you as you are to me and my beliefs.

    I see it as a lifestyle choice, you don't. shrug

    You see parenting different than me, that doesn't surprise me.

    I'd like to see one reference to something condescending I have ever said to you.

    Especially being like "well I dunno what they say in Canada". It's just disrespectful frankly.

    I could easily be like "well I dunno what they teach you in America" but I am not a child.

    Grow up.

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  • ilovelamp51 said...

    I discussed that earlier. It definitely has pro's and cons. At the end of the day I actually am not that against it.

    Regardless, adopting a child versus going through the entire experience of pregnancy is completely different. Making the baby, going to the ultasounds, finding out the sex, watching the wife waddle around everywhere, watching your child been born / delivering it, cutting the cord, coming home as a new family, etc....

    Nothing like it. Adoption is VERY commendable. My wife and I will probably adopt later in life when our kids are out of the house. But my daughter now is my spitting image. I can see so much of myself and my wife in her. It's just different. Not that I would love an adopted child any less.... it's just cool seeing a piece of you in someone else.

    I didn't think I could love an adopted child as much as I loved my own children. I was wrong, they are my children. When the time comes, I don't believe you would regret it.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    I see it as a lifestyle choice,

    How many more pieces of scientific, factual evidence do I need to post before people quit saying this. If you haven't read the scientific articles I posted, or at least read the summaries I put up for psubills, you should. There should no longer be a debate over whether it is a choice or not, because that idea has been scientifically disproven. Don't come back with "I believe this..." or "I believe that..." when there are mounds of evidence showing that that viewpoint is wrong. Evidence, not opposing opinion, but factual data that has been peer-reviewed and published. I'm not arguing with anybody about beliefs, because beliefs are for the unknown or unknowable. Once something has been scientifically proven or disproven, beliefs are no longer relevant - the data is relevant, and the data says that sexual preference/orientation is determined before a child (or animal for that matter) is ever born.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    I'd like to see one reference to something condescending I have ever said to you.

    Especially being like "well I dunno what they say in Canada". It's just disrespectful frankly.

    I could easily be like "well I dunno what they teach you in America" but I am not a child.

    Grow up.

    Aren't you the one getting pissy about how this is the internet and I shouldn't care that you call people retarded, even if i have a child with disabilities?

    Yea, that was you.

    xxmgobluexx

  • mriderblue16 said...

    It isn't a lifestyle. It's a sexual orientation.

    Not for me.

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  • I will state this. You can call me dumb, ignorant, or whatever, but i will never believe that people are born gay.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Aren't you the one getting pissy about how this is the internet and I shouldn't care that you call people retarded, even if i have a child with disabilities?

    Yea, that was you.

    Yeh that was me. Just like multiple other people on the board said the exact same thing.

    But yet you single me out and say stupid things about being Canadian.

    Like I said grow up, you talk about having kids and stuff, maybe you should act like an adult.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    I will state this. You can call me dumb, ignorant, or whatever, but i will never believe that people are born gay.

    As long as you don't spew hatred towards those people we are all good.

    Beliefs are beliefs.

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  • theFightingtide said...

    I will state this. You can call me dumb, ignorant, or whatever, but i will never believe that people are born gay.

    Why? Have you read the papers I posted on page 9? I just want to know why someone would deny something like this when it has been proven false. This is akin to stating that the sun revolves around the earth to me, I just don't understand how you could look at that kind of data and say that it is the opposite. The point of scientific inquiry is to take unknowns and make them knowns, which has been done for this subject. I can't understand how somebody could deny facts.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    Yeh that was me. Just like multiple other people on the board said the exact same thing.

    But yet you single me out and say stupid things about being Canadian.

    Like I said grow up, you talk about having kids and stuff, maybe you should act like an adult.

    You sincerely hurt? Show me the rude comments I have made to you. I am interested in seeing if they personal attacks or you reading to much into it.

    I think you will find that you are reading to much into it. Me saying "I don't know what they teach in Canada" means, I don't know what they teach in Canada. I was taught Condoms help prevent the spread of STDs, you seemed to be taught something else. Read what I wrote, not into what I wrote.

    Settle down.

    xxmgobluexx

  • mriderblue16 said...

    As long as you don't spew hatred towards those people we are all good.

    Beliefs are beliefs.

    I would never harm a gay person or try and cut them down. But i would speak out against them, peacefully.

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  • Jcrick said...

    Why? Have you read the papers I posted on page 9? I just want to know why someone would deny something like this when it has been proven false. This is akin to stating that the sun revolves around the earth to me, I just don't understand how you could look at that kind of data and say that it is the opposite. The point of scientific inquiry is to take unknowns and make them knowns, which has been done for this subject. I can't understand how somebody could deny facts.

    No answer. Its just what i think despite any "factual" info.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    You sincerely hurt? Show me the rude comments I have made to you. I am interested in seeing if they personal attacks or you reading to much into it.

    I think you will find that you are reading to much into it. Me saying "I don't know what they teach in Canada" means, I don't know what they teach in Canada. I was taught Condoms help prevent the spread of STDs, you seemed to be taught something else. Read what I wrote, not into what I wrote.

    Settle down.

    Lol sure pal.

    What a load of sh!t that is. You think in Canada they don't teach the exact same things about condoms in America? How dumb do you think I am? You have to be incredibly naive to believe what you just wrote.

    You are now just trying to back track, and it's incredibly obvious.

    If you have a personal problem with what I say discuss it like an adult, don't take cheap shots at my nationality. It's part of the reason people "like to sh!t on America" like you always claim.

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  • I swore I thought I was done with this thread....Good points on each side.

    Just an observation...mrider uses the worst arguments I've ever seen.

    Just leave it to the Bama/Auburn fans that know what they're talking about. Geez, dude. You're just.....not good.

    mpcoan

  • mpcoan said...

    I swore I thought I was done with this thread....Good points on each side.

    Just an observation...mrider uses the worst arguments I've ever seen.

    Just leave it to the Bama/Auburn fans that know what they're talking about. Geez, dude. You're just.....not good.

    This calls for a roll tide.

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  • mriderblue16 said...

    Lol sure pal.

    What a load of sh!t that is. You think in Canada they don't teach the exact same things about condoms in America? How dumb do you think I am? You have to be incredibly naive to believe what you just wrote.

    You are now just trying to back track, and it's incredibly obvious.

    If you have a personal problem with what I say discuss it like an adult, don't take cheap shots at my nationality. It's part of the reason people "like to sh!t on America" like you always claim.

    Holy hell, that's what you got out of that?

    Settle down.

    xxmgobluexx

  • theFightingtide said...

    I will state this. You can call me dumb, ignorant, or whatever, but i will never believe that people are born gay.

    I’m not insinuating that you are any of those things. But IYO, why do gay people choose to be gay? Also in your experience, did you choose to be straight because that is what the Bible and God say’s or was it not a choice and you were just “born that way”.

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  • mpcoan said...

    I swore I thought I was done with this thread....Good points on each side.

    Just an observation...mrider uses the worst arguments I've ever seen.

    Just leave it to the Bama/Auburn fans that know what they're talking about. Geez, dude. You're just.....not good.

    Considering I haven't really used many "arguments" I doubt it.

    I just keep saying as long as you don't try and demean gays openly believe what you want.

    fishing IMO.

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  • Man I hate when I come in the on the end of a thread..... Oh wait... Damn.... Oops... I am sorry for being insensitive and conservative. Shat.... Did it again.... I can't believe this is what it has come to... Butthurt over what someone else's opinion is.... Damn did it again.... Thin skin is thin

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  • theFightingtide said...

    No answer. Its just what i think despite any "factual" info.

    Are you afraid to change your worldview based on newly acquired knowledge? And this isn't just for you, it's for everybody in this thread. You're just the first person to actually respond to my posts (except for psubills who quit posting ).

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  • Gfortress5 said...

    Man I hate when I come in the on the end of a thread..... Oh wait... Damn.... Oops... I am sorry for being insensitive and conservative. Shat.... Did it again.... I can't believe this is what it has come to... Butthurt over what someone else's opinion is.... Damn did it again.... Thin skin is thin

    Said while simmering a pork loin in rosemary/ cherry sauce in balsamic vinaigrette on med wearing a bright red MARINES t shirt

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  • I wonder if there was nothing said about homosexuality in the Bible, if so many people would think it was wrong.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Holy hell, that's what you got out of that?

    Settle down.

    I'm not sure what else I am supposed to get from it.

    If you aren't trying to demean Canada why do you even bring it up?

    Just don't bring up Canada if you aren't trying to be condescending, pretty simple.

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