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Are these 8 games tougher than facing a SEC schedule?

  • MarineMountie said...

    Did I see someone say LSU held WVU "well below their average"?

    500 yards and 21 points against LSU is something no SEC school did last year. GTFO. WVU was in that game even after halftime only being down 6(I think). Our defense got gassed by their running game and it was all over. It had NOTHING to do with our offense. Geno lit them the hell up through the air.

    Now LSU was obviously the better team, and IMO the best team in the country. I was just responding to a terribly ignorant post.

    Facts should never get in the way of a good post IMO. biggrin

    GooPhi

  • phillip740il said...

    i still dont get the argument

    most of the OOC games were against garbage opponents and the starters were mostly out of the game by the end of the 2nd quarter. obviously those teams got alot of their yards in garbage time against backups. generally teams play alot tougher against in conference opponents because they care about these games more.

    i dont see why this is hard to understand. comparing 8 OOC games with only 3 quality opponents and 5 cupcakes to 3 cupcakes(olemiss, miss st, Tenn) to 5 quliaty teams is an absolute joke.


    I don't disagree that 5 of those 8 OOC game were absolute cupcakes. But it makes the SEC opponents Bama and LSU played look like creampuffs.

    I hear you about garbage time and all that, but considering in those 5 games against North Texas, Northwestern St, Georgia Southern, Kent State, and Western Kentucky

    LSU and Alabama combined to score

    4th quarter
    LSU/ Bama 52
    5 OOC-------0

    LSU/Bama scored more 2nd half pts 115
    than they did in the 1st half of those games.

    LSU/ Alabama
    1st half gave up 24 pts
    2nd half gave up 9 pts

    Looks like they gave them more trouble when the starters where in the game.

    In all 8 games
    LSU/Bama 82 4th quarter pts
    8 OOC------22 4th quarter pts

    But I guess these games shouldn't count because it's
    only their entire OOC schedule. LOL

    Same margin of victory against those 8, as against the SEC opponents. You would think other SEC teams could have game LSU and Bama a tougher game than 2 D1aa teams and Kent St, North Texas etc

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I don't disagree that 5 of those 8 OOC game were absolute cupcakes. But it makes the SEC opponents Bama and LSU played look like creampuffs.

    I hear you about garbage time and all that, but considering in those 5 games against North Texas, Northwestern St, Georgia Southern, Kent State, and Western Kentucky

    LSU and Alabama combined to score

    4th quarter LSU/ Bama 52 5 OOC-------0

    LSU/Bama scored more 2nd half pts 115 than they did in the 1st half of those games.

    LSU/ Alabama 1st half gave up 24 pts 2nd half gave up 9 pts

    Looks like they gave them more trouble when the starters where in the game.

    In all 8 games LSU/Bama 82 4th quarter pts 8 OOC------22 4th quarter pts

    But I guess these games shouldn't count because it's only their entire OOC schedule. LOL

    Same margin of victory against those 8, as against the SEC opponents. You would think other SEC teams could have game LSU and Bama a tougher game than 2 D1aa teams and Kent St, North Texas etc

    You just can't seem to comprehend that against the creampuffs, the starters came out WAY early and many more players, combinations, and plays are attempted. However, _IN_ conference, the games are treated much differently.

    Kent St. scored it's lone TD on Bama after an INT return to the 2yd line. Penn St. scored is lone TD (with 2pt conversion and 4th/18 conversion) late in the 4th in a 27-3 game where they had been dominated the entire time. These meaningless TDs along with the meaningless GaSouthern game skew these states dramatically, but you are using them for your entire argument.

    MarineMountie, terribly ignorant? WVU put up good yards but was held 16pts below its scoring average. To the contrary, LSU scored 12pts ABOVE its season average. That is a 28pt swing on the road. If you think racking up some yardage is the justification of my ignorance while ignoring the major scoring deficiency by WVU, then more power to you. In the meantime, I will continue focusing on the actual point of the thread.

    WarrX

  • GooPhi said...

    Hey Boots! I'm be darned if you weren't dead on with your prediction. bow

    What did [bvg]ride predict?

    huh

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Which 8 game schedule is more challenging?
    Playing these 8 Non-SEC teams below;

    Northwestern State
    Georgia Southern
    North Texas
    Kent State
    Western Kentucky
    @Penn State
    @West Virginia
    Oregon

    or playing this 8 game SEC schedule

    @Ole Miss
    Tennessee
    @Miss State
    Florida
    @Auburn
    Arkansas
    LSU
    @Alabama

    Are these 2 schedules close in difficulty
    or not even in the same ballpark?

    Not getting into the bs stat discussion that is irrelevent since stats only tell part of the story, not the whole story.

    As far as the schedules, there are 5 gimme wins on the 1st group and 1 in the 2nd group. That tells you all you need to know. A good team could go undefeated through the 1st group(LSU basically did) but even the best 2 teams in the country didn't make it through the 2nd group unbeaten(since LSU/Bama played twice). The only gimme on the 2nd group is OM. MSU's defense was quite salty last year and could've made things interesting for most teams.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Why not? The numbers are real, it's not like they didn't happen.

    I mean, it sure shocked the heck out of me when I saw that those non-SEC teams had more offensive success in just 8 games vs LSU and Alabama as the SEC teams did in twice as many games -16.

    LSU & BAMA combined in 8 OOC games - 11 TD allowed by D 16 SEC games -10 TD allowed by D

    A very interesting stat.

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    MJRuffalo ●

  • WarrX said...

    You're really counting the GaSouthern stats vs. Alabama to make your argument? You really think that game was indicative of something meaningful? GaSo put up more yards and more points than any team on Bama's schedule. They are an FCS team that Bama didn't care about and had several defensive starters held out of the game.

    On the LSU side, WVU and Oregon were top-ranked offenses, yet LSU blew them both out and held them both far below their averages. Additionally, LSU's "weak" offense rolled up 40+ on both of them.

    Must be nice to have so many off weeks during on your schedule. This is why people who know football, laugh when idiot southerners, sorry that was redundant, southerners talk about the sec schedule being a meat grinder.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    The mind-set of the SEC fan is interesting. Defending the conference rather than his or her team. After all, I don't think these numbers are an indictment of LSU or Alabama's defense. Rather, an explanation as to why several other SEC teams had highly ranked defenses.

    So, I don't really see why Bama or Tiger fans would be getting all mad.....

    but decide for yourself - Consider that the 8 OOC teams put up these numbers in half the games. Also consider that 5 of the 8 OOC teams were 2 Sun Belt teams, a losing MAC team, and 2 D1aa schools.

    Last year, in 8 OOC games and in all 16 regular season conference games, LSU and Alabama's defenses allowed

    8 OOC Opponents------------------16 SEC games ======================================= 255 total yds avg per game ------202 total yds avg per game 12.1 pts ppg--------------------------6.5 pts ppg 97 pts scored vs D------------------104 pts scored vs D (99 total pts allowed)---------------(125 total pts allowed) MOV +30------------------------------MOV +29.8 (taking out game vs each other) 11 TD's allowed/ 8 games---------10 TD's allowed/ 16 games \==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\==\

    16 SEC games vs LSU and Alabama Kentucky Vanderbilt Ole Miss 2x Miss State 2x Tennessee 2x Florida 2x Auburn 2x Arkansas 2x LSU Alabama

    LSU'S PASS DEFENSE 4 Non-Conference......................8 SEC Games 899 total yards passing.............1049 total yards passing allowed. 225 passing yds per game........131.1 passing yards per game. 3 TD passes allowed..................3 TD passes allowed.

    ALABAMA'S RUSHING DEFENSE 4 Non-Conference.................8 SEC Games 3.8 avg per carry...................1.8 avg per carry. 117 yards avg per game.......53.9 yards avg per game allowed. 468 total yards rushing..........431 total yards rushing allowed. 2 rushing TD's.......................1 rushing TD allowed.

    Georgia Southern got pretty much all the OOC rushing stats vs. Bama. Spin it how you like, and there's no real excuse for it, but they went over 3 bills on the ground and got both TD's.

    In other games, it's probably important to note that they were pulling fans out of the stands to play defense in the 2nd half. When you give up 9 TD's on a season, it's easy to remember most of them. One of those scrub games we gave up a 1 yard TD after a KO return or something like that.

    I know you love to troll, and IDC really, but just thought I'd point that out. At the end of Ga Southern game, I looked at my buddy and said "Thank God we get Auburn next week and not a rematch w/ Ga Southern." They had like 3 plays, and they looked like midgets, but damn they were efficient. They'd own the PAC.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Did I see someone say LSU held WVU "well below their average"?

    500 yards and 21 points against LSU is something no SEC school did last year. GTFO. WVU was in that game even after halftime only being down 6(I think). Our defense got gassed by their running game and it was all over. It had NOTHING to do with our offense. Geno lit them the hell up through the air.

    Now LSU was obviously the better team, and IMO the best team in the country. I was just responding to a terribly ignorant post.

    I think he was saying that LSU held those teams below the offensive numbers and scores that WVU and Oregon usually put up

    TnMiles

  • RTR13 said...

    Thank you. If you truly believe Alabama put forth the same kind of effort against teams like GA Southern and North Texas as they did LSU and Arkansas, you do not understand how football works. As far as OOC games go, this is all you need to understand:?

    So you are saying if Alabama and LSU would have tried harder and if they would have not pulled their starters in the 2nd quarter, then they would of held
    the 8 OOC teams to 6 pts a game (3pts a half) like they did the Sec teams, even though the OOC teams averaged 7pts just in the first half alone.

    Or do you want to change it to they didnt play any starters after the 1st possession and they didnt try at all?

    Must be nice to play creampuffs and meaningless games where nobody has to even try (this being all of your own descriptions of Alabama's OOC schedule) and still be allowed to play for a title despite beating only 1 top 20 team (and it was at home) all year. (Arkansas).

    LSU on the other hand earned their way to the title game.

    Twice the games yet fewer TDs.

    So according to the majority of the people who responded to the question- are SEC offenses outside of LSU and Alabama really that terrible?
    The answer is No-because Bama and LSU only play hard when playing SEC teams.

    Okaaay

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    I think it's a legit question, considering what happened last year.

    Don't you?

    what happened last year ?

    Crimson_Ghost

  • I read this as are these 8 grades smarter than SEC fans lol

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  • Brady Hoke said...

    I read this as are these 8 grades smarter than SEC fans lol

    Um, what?

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    LSU on the other hand earned their way to the title game.

    now that part you have correct ...
    & then LSU got their azz handed to them to answer any doubt of who was #1.

    Play

    Jim Rome's Take on Why LSU Lost

    On the January 10, 2012 episode of Jim Rome is Burning, Jim Rome explains why Alabama defeated LSU in the National Championship football game the previous night.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/uc6PZnl4FMc

    Crimson_Ghost

  •   At the end of Ga Southern game, I looked at my buddy and said "Thank God we get Auburn next week and not a rematch w/ Ga Southern." They had like 3 plays, and they looked like midgets, but damn they were efficient.

    Surprised you think GaSouthern was the 2nd best team Alabama beat before the BCS MNCG, since you think they were better than Auburn.

    You are probably right, Ga Southern trailed Bama 31-21 with 6 to go in the 3rd quarter. I dont think Auburn gave them that close a game.

    Man that Saban is a wild and crazy coach playing his 2nd/ 3rd string guys early 2nd qtr in a game so tight.

    I imagine Saban was even close to calling that "Dammit, its time to start trying" (time out) What are you waiting for, the 4th quarter"?

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●


  • At the end of Ga Southern game, I looked at my buddy and said "Thank God we get Auburn next week and not a rematch w/ Ga Southern." They had like 3 plays, and they looked like midgets, but damn they were efficient.

    That's like when we played Appalachain State. They probably could have beaten almost anyone in the country that day.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    So you are saying if Alabama and LSU would have tried harder and if they would have not pulled their starters in the 2nd quarter, then they would of held
    the 8 OOC teams to 6 pts a game (3pts a half) like they did the Sec teams, even though the OOC teams averaged 7pts just in the first half alone.

    Or do you want to change it to they didnt play any starters after the 1st possession and they didnt try at all?

    Must be nice to play creampuffs and meaningless games where nobody has to even try (this being all of your own descriptions of Alabama's OOC schedule) and still be allowed to play for a title despite beating only 1 top 20 team (and it was at home) all year. (Arkansas).

    LSU on the other hand earned their way to the title game.

    Twice the games yet fewer TDs.

    So according to the majority of the people who responded to the question- are SEC offenses outside of LSU and Alabama really that terrible?
    The answer is No-because Bama and LSU only play hard when playing SEC teams.

    Okaaay

    Yeah, you simply don't get it. You think playing GA Southern is the same as playing LSU. You think Bama prepares as hard, plays as hard, with the same intensity and focus. That's fine, you just don't understand football. A lot of women don't.

    I'll just say this - Alabama held a very good Arkansas offense to 14 points last year. They also held the last 3 Big 10 teams they have played to 21 combined points. None of them had more than 3 points until there were under 3 minutes left in the game and back-ups and walk-ons were in.

    This post was edited by HADOUKEN on 8/29/2012 at 6:35 PM

    HADOUKEN

  • PAC in conference schedule lulz.

    The PAC' bowl record over the last 10 yrs, 30-28 (51%)

    SEC is 50-31 (61%)

    Now gtfo with your troll attempt.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Surprised you think GaSouthern was the 2nd best team Alabama beat before the BCS MNCG, since you think they were better than Auburn.

    You are probably right, Ga Southern trailed Bama 31-21 with 6 to go in the 3rd quarter. I dont think Auburn gave them that close a game.

    Man that Saban is a wild and crazy coach playing his 2nd/ 3rd string guys early 2nd qtr in a game so tight.

    I imagine Saban was even close to calling that "Dammit, its time to start trying" (time out) What are you waiting for, the 4th quarter"?

    Saban didn't have a choice. Chapman and Gentry were out, Jesse Williams had food poisoning. The DL was already very thin. We're lucky our backups knew GA Southern was as good as LSU and needed to bring the same kind of intensity. Otherwise, the national champions may have lost to a D-1AA team. Derp.

    Anyways, this was fun. Continue crying about last year (pathetic) but the crystal ball still sits in the athletic complex in T-Town. Bye.

    HADOUKEN

  • Brady Hoke said...

    That's like when we played Appalachain State. They probably could have beaten almost anyone in the country that day, if there entire team was baked out of their mind.

    I totall]ly agree....

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    This was almost as interesting as reading the Pedo delusional board.......

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  • RTR13 said...

    Yeah, you simply don't get it. You think playing GA Southern is the same as playing LSU. You think Bama prepares as hard, plays as hard, with the same intensity and focus. That's fine, you just don't understand football. A lot of women don't.

    I'll just say this - Alabama held a very good Arkansas offense to 14 points last year. They also held the last 3 Big 10 teams they have played to 21 combined points. None of them had more than 3 points until there were under 3 minutes left in the game and back-ups and walk-ons were in.

    I get it. No, like you said playing Ga Southern was like playing Auburn. LSU and Bama were good.

    The rest of the conference highly over rated. The numbers make sense when you see how the rest
    of the SEC fared last year.

    Arkansas 42
    7-6 Texas A&M 38

    Arkansas 38
    3-9 Troy 28

    Boise State 35
    Georgia 21

    South Carolina 24
    5-7 Navy 21

    Auburn 42
    7-6 Utah State 38

    10-4 Clemson 38
    Auburn 24

    9-4 Florida St 21
    Florida 7

    Miss State 26
    8-5 La Tech 20 OT

    Vanderbilt 24
    5-7 Uconn 21

    7-6 Louiville 24
    Kentucky 17

    Kentucky 27
    3-9 Central Michigan 13

    La Tech 27
    Ole Miss 7

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Surprised you think GaSouthern was the 2nd best team Alabama beat before the BCS MNCG, since you think they were better than Auburn.

    You are probably right, Ga Southern trailed Bama 31-21 with 6 to go in the 3rd quarter. I dont think Auburn gave them that close a game.

    Man that Saban is a wild and crazy coach playing his 2nd/ 3rd string guys early 2nd qtr in a game so tight.

    I imagine Saban was even close to calling that "Dammit, its time to start trying" (time out) What are you waiting for, the 4th quarter"?

    Please...you know players sleepwalk through games like that. I don't know who you're a fan of, but they wouldn't beat Bama. Period. Dispute that.

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  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    , like you said playing Ga Southern was like playing Auburn.

    That's not at all what I said.

    I said "Thank God we're playing Auburn next week and not Ga Southern again".

    Meaning we could come out of hibernation and play football. That said, I guarantee you the bottom half of any other conference would have a game on their hands w/ Ga. Southern. They're elite in 1AA, and while they should never beat a big team, they'll never get a big team playing their A game. Not happening. The SEC has nothing to defend. It's up to all you sisters of the poor to take it, and you can't do it. Take out your tampons, put down your calculators, and try to beat us on the field.

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  • If you don't think SEC defenses are legit go look up the box scores of South Carolina vs. Clemson and Nebraska. I believe the two combined for 400 total yards.

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