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Army Bowl Report

  • HelloHeisman 21 said...

    Do you think Derrick Green is a top 100 player?

    I do

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  • jwood05 said...

    I'm sorry but if u think Corey clement is better than derrick green and Greg bryant ur a joke and should quit ur job

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  • CG7 said...

    Jeremy Johnson has no business being a four-star prospect. He proved today that he didn't belong. He looks awkward and clumsy, and compares more to Jared Lorenzen than Cam Newton. If I were Auburn fans, I'd be extremely nervous about the QB spot.

    Jared Lorenzen? Wow.

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  • psubills62 said...

    Any thoughts on Mahon and Sickels, JC?

    Both are solid prospects. I think both are ranked about right, Sickels slightly too high maybe.

    Thought Sickels had a great first step at times and was disruptive.

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  • bucky34 said...

    Michael hill was hurt most of the season so why go after this kid??? I saw a lot of kids in that game you so called experts should be dropping in rankings....

    Not "going after" anybody. I've gotten a lot of negative feedback from high school and college coaches on him. That being said, we are going to look at whatever senior film we can find and go from there.

    If prospects are going to move up, then some must come down. That's the way it works.

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  • OldOaken said...

    Nice to see Indiana is getting a player in Allen. I saw on twitter where people thought he played well this week. He also said a lot of the other players were shocked he was goign to IU lol

    Defensive upgrades heading to Bloomington for sure.

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  • CptAUmerica21 said...

    i got killed for saying don't compare Cam and Jeremy

    Hopefully I don't get killed, but I do understand the comparisons, I just don't think it is fair. Jeremy Johnson has the potential to be a very good quarterback at AU in time. Cam Newton was one of the best players in Auburn history and the history of college football. Lumping those types of expectations on a kid can hurt him confidence-wise if things don't go well (see Tyrone Swoopes).

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Both are solid prospects. I think both are ranked about right, Sickels slightly too high maybe.

    Thought Sickels had a great first step at times and was disruptive.

    Thanks - appreciate the thoughts, JC. Still think Mahon is easily a 4*, but it's your website. I'm fine with him being a 3* and hopefully proving that rating wrong on the field in the coming years biggrin.

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  • Small school/ no competition, shut down recruiting early, dunno how much he'll grow...the ranking on Cory Robinson made sense but can he really be #102 at WR now? Also, ND has a few guys ranked fairly high who didn't get any invites ie. Kinlaw, Mutuska, Heuerman,etc....do you see any of them taking a hit for not getting any face time?

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  • psubills62 said...

    Thanks - appreciate the thoughts, JC. Still think Mahon is easily a 4*, but it's your website. I'm fine with him being a 3* and hopefully proving that rating wrong on the field in the coming years biggrin.

    Can't rule out a bump for Mahon. I just have to look at it.

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  • SCirish843 said...

    Small school/ no competition, shut down recruiting early, dunno how much he'll grow...the ranking on Cory Robinson made sense but can he really be #102 at WR now? Also, ND has a few guys ranked fairly high who didn't get any invites ie. Kinlaw, Mutuska, Heuerman,etc....do you see any of them taking a hit for not getting any face time?

    There are a ton of receivers ranked. It is by far the position we rank the most prospects at.

    Guys are going up, so guys are going to go down as a result. I need to talk to some folks about Mutuska to see if he's really a four or a three.

    Kinlaw and Heuerman likely will maintain their rating, though you do have to factor in durability on Kinlaw. We have seen enough on film to be good to go with those two.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Not "going after" anybody. I've gotten a lot of negative feedback from high school and college coaches on him. That being said, we are going to look at whatever senior film we can find and go from there.

    If prospects are going to move up, then some must come down. That's the way it works.

    Well I guess it wasn't Alabama , Florida , Florida st , Clemson and South Carolina coaches talking negative about him... Lol highschool coaches are probably butt Hurt about him going to Ohio st...I thought you guys project the players on there nfl potential not what they do in highschool football games.....

    bucky34

  • JC Shurburtt said...

    There are a ton of receivers ranked. It is by far the position we rank the most prospects at.

    Guys are going up, so guys are going to go down as a result. I need to talk to some folks about Mutuska to see if he's really a four or a three.

    Kinlaw and Heuerman likely will maintain their rating, though you do have to factor in durability on Kinlaw. We have seen enough on film to be good to go with those two.

    I'll help you with Matuska 3* DL.

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  • bucky34 said...

    Well I guess it wasn't Alabama , Florida , Florida st , Clemson and South Carolina coaches talking negative about him... Lol highschool coaches are probably butt Hurt about him going to Ohio st...I thought you guys project the players on there nfl potential not what they do in highschool football games.....

    We do project long-term. Injuries and poor performance downgrade stock with the NFL Draft, right?

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    We do project long-term. Injuries and poor performance downgrade stock with the NFL Draft, right?

    Lmao nice try...

    bucky34

  • PurP N Gold said...

    Will White get a deserved Bump??

    I'm looking at the 1 on 1's on the other site and I'm trying to figure out how he could get a bump.Just asking watch the 1 on1's west. wr vs.db's.

    RBell42

  • bucky34 said...

    Lmao nice try...

    Laugh it up, my man. If the kid was going somewhere other than Ohio State, you wouldn't care.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Yes I was typing too fast on my phone-should have read "I can't imagine a scenario where both Herron and White DON'T move up."

    Apologies.

    Thanks for the clarification JC.

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  • I don't think anyone will have a major problem for dropping players for poor performance and injuries, but they need to be across the board for all players.

    I hope no one tries to defend Shane Morris having horrible stats and looking downright average to bad by saying he was sick and missed time.

    I watched Hills senior film and he looked very explosive off the ball on film to me, especially for a guy his size. I am not an expert though. I just thought it was strange that he was brought up for a drop in the Army Bowl report since he did not practice or play in the Bowl at all, so there was nothing for scouts to scout about him.

    Anyway, most reasonable fans will understand that some players are going to go up and some go down. Its the ones that just don't jive with what they see that really bother them. Shane Morris put up mediocre numbers against bad competition, looked outclassed when he played a real OH HS team, missed a ton of developmental time, and had a bad showing in the skills and game for UA. If he doesn't get dropped appropriately, that's when reasonable fans get confused and upset.

    Edit: meant to quote JC about Hill.

    This post was edited by Shaun on 1/6/2013 at 10:42 PM

    Shaun

  • RBell42 said...

    I'm looking at the 1 on 1's on the other site and I'm trying to figure out how he could get a bump.Just asking watch the 1 on1's west. wr vs.db's.


    Are you Blind?? Did you watch the army game? And the practices??

    Hes pretty much a lockdown CB

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  • star69 said...

    I'll help you with Matuska 3* DL.

    Nice honestly star

    Michmania

  • Shaun said...

    I don't think anyone will have a major problem for dropping players for poor performance and injuries, but they need to be across the board for all players.

    I hope no one tries to defend Shane Morris having horrible stats and looking downright average to bad by saying he was sick and missed time.

    I watched Hills senior film and he looked very explosive off the ball on film to me, especially for a guy his size. I am not an expert though. I just thought it was strange that he was brought up for a drop in the Army Bowl report since he did not practice or play in the Bowl at all, so there was nothing for scouts to scout about him.

    Anyway, most reasonable fans will understand that some players are going to go up and some go down. Its the ones that just don't jive with what they see that really bother them. Shane Morris put up mediocre numbers against bad competition, looked outclassed when he played a real OH HS team, missed a ton of developmental time, and had a bad showing in the skills and game for UA. If he doesn't get dropped appropriately, that's when reasonable fans get confused and upset.

    Edit: meant to quote JC about Hill.

    Talk about upset, he writes three paragraphs about Morris.

    Michmania

  • Michmania said...

    Talk about upset, he writes three paragraphs about Morris.

    Just thought I would try to have a reasonable discussion. I don't usually post on this board because it seems to be mostly fans of opposing teams trolling each other endlessly.

    Shaun

  • Shaun said...

    I don't think anyone will have a major problem for dropping players for poor performance and injuries, but they need to be across the board for all players.

    I hope no one tries to defend Shane Morris having horrible stats and looking downright average to bad by saying he was sick and missed time.

    I watched Hills senior film and he looked very explosive off the ball on film to me, especially for a guy his size. I am not an expert though. I just thought it was strange that he was brought up for a drop in the Army Bowl report since he did not practice or play in the Bowl at all, so there was nothing for scouts to scout about him.

    Anyway, most reasonable fans will understand that some players are going to go up and some go down. Its the ones that just don't jive with what they see that really bother them. Shane Morris put up mediocre numbers against bad competition, looked outclassed when he played a real OH HS team, missed a ton of developmental time, and had a bad showing in the skills and game for UA. If he doesn't get dropped appropriately, that's when reasonable fans get confused and upset.

    Edit: meant to quote JC about Hill.

    I think Morris is going to drop, too, FWIW. He was at Under Armour, though.

    The reason I mentioned Hill is to give you guys a heads up. A lot of times there is mass panic whenever a player drops.

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  • JC have you looked at Tracy Sprinkle's senior film? He had an outstanding year.

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