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Macks said...
DT/NT ---- Tyler Hoover (RS-SR, 6'7 310) Micajah Reynolds (RS-JR, 6'5 318) Anthony Rashad White (SR, 6'2 330) James Kittredge (RS-SO, 6'4 272)
This just for the starting spots, a few RS-FR may get a few snaps here and there. The likely starters will be White at NT and Hoover at DT. Hoover started at DE in 2010, had a season ending back injury for 2011, and now has bulked up and will move inside for 2012.
FS ---- Kurtis Drummond (RS-SO, 6'1 200) RJ Williamson (RS-FR, 6'0 205) Demetrious Cox (FR, 6'1 195)
This was a battle between Drummond and Williamson through the spring, the pre-fall depth chart had Drummond as the starter. Drummond was our nickelback last year and performed fairly well, so he has the experience edge. RJ Williamson supposedly pushed him a lot and has great speed. Cox is a highly recruited true freshman who arrived at campus looking impressive physically, and could possibly be a darkhorse for the starting FS spot.
No position battles at DE, CB, or LB whatsoever.
WR ----- This is where it gets muddy.
Bennie Fowler (RS-JR, 6'1 218) Tony Lippett (RS-SO, 6'3 190) Keith Mumphery (RS-SO, 6'0 208) DeAnthony Arnett (SO, 5'11 170) Andre Sims (RS-FR, 5'9 182) Juwan Caesar (RS-FR, 6'4 212) Aaron Burbridge (FR, 6'1 190)
Any of these guys could technically vie for the starting spots. I'd give the edge to Fowler and Mumphery because they have been working with Maxwell for a while. Fowler is coming off foot injuries but should be good to go. Mumphery doesn't get much press but has great speed and the ability to go up and get the ball. Lippett will probably be one of the outside receivers with Fowler, he has good speed and height. We wanted to use him more at WR last year but he spent most of the year playing CB. Arnett will probably end up being a slot guy that either starts or gets heavy playing time. Sims will be his backup. Caesar is a huge red zone target but reports are that the staff may convert him to TE because he's been adding so much mass. Burbridge is a true frosh who has a ton of talent, and will most likely see the field if he can get the playbook down. We have a lot of viable options of WR in terms of talent, but experience is short.
This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 8/6/2012 at 10:30 AM
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maize&blue21 said...
I'll let the others go in depth on the battles, but the main ones are these
3rd WR between Jerald Robinson, Amara Darboh, and Jehu Chesson
LG between Eilliot Mealer, Kyle Kalis, and Joey Burzynski
Starting RB if Fitz Toussaint is suspended between Thomas Rawls, Vincent Smith, and Drake Johnson
Weak side DE isn't really a position battle now that Frank Clark is suspended, but Brennan Beyer may get pressure from incoming freshman Tom Strobel.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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Looking forward to another great season. Hopefully we'll all show up and win in our ooc games(except for meeeeeeechigan of course).
Buckle your seatbelts because urban renewal is in full effect so you've got one year to catch up or we'll begin a multi year streak of big ten titles in 2013.
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maize&blue21 said...
I think Robinson ultimately wins the WR battle, but Darboh will be in the rotation
Kyle Kalis is physically ready, just needs to learn the playbook and he'll be a four year starter
The starting RB if Fitz is suspended is probably going to be Thomas Rawls as he fits the offense perfectly, but it isn't a guarantee Fitz is suspended.
WSDE is Beyer's job until someone takes it from him. Not a ton of depth behind him right now.
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2nd string running back - Curtis Dukes, Derek Day, and Akeel Lynch This will be a position that I expect the winner of to see a lot of playing time. Belton is still learning the position and PSU needs a more in between the tackles back to complement him. Lynch is probably the long term option, but he's just a true freshman. Dukes was held out of spring ball with academic issues and Day is a senior walk-on, who has been decent in limited action. In my opinion, Day will be second string on opening day, but will be third or fourth by the end of the year. The real question is who is the better blocker between Lynch and Dukes. Dukes has the experience edge, but has always struggled with his blocking.
Wide Receiver - Allen Robinson, Alex Kenney, Shawney Kersey, Matt Zanellato, Brandon Moseby-Felder, Christian Kuntz, Eugene Lewis, and Malik Golden No real proven threats, so I listed all the possible players. Robinson and Kersey will be the stretch the field players and Kenney being in the slot role. Lewis and Golden could see the benefit from the loss of Brown, Smith, and Drake from last year's corps. The two true freshman along with Kenney probably have the most game changing ability of the group and they should be interesting to follow during camp. Robinson, Kersey, and Kenney should be the starters with Lewis being the wildcard if he can transition from high school QB to WR.
TE - Matt Lehman, Kyle Carter, Garry Gilliam, Jesse James, Dakota Royer Look for BOB to use multiple 2 tight end sets and the players to rotate a lot. I expect the first four to see various amounts of time to start the year and Carter and James to be the go to players by the end. Gilliam will see plenty of time as Carter and James play the same position, but still may see the field at the same time.
DE - Pete Massaro, Sean Stanley, Deion Barnes Massaro and Stanley will both start, but the more interesting dynamic will be how many snaps Barnes can take from the two of them.
S - Jake Fagnano and Stephen Obeng-Agyapong Fagnano missed practice today with a minor injury. SOA is very athletic, but still needs the game to slow down for him. I'm hoping it does, because it's been awhile since PSU has had that kind of speed at the safety position. I think SOA eventually wins out, but this could be a very close call.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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SpartanRocky said...
Edit: Right now White's at DT and Hoover/Kittredge are at NT.
Off of this, there's also a possible battle for LG between RS JR Blake Treadwell (6'3 300) and RS FR Jack Allen (6'1 295). Treadwell's been "solid, not spectacular" for the past 3 years (played as a true FR and true soph in '09-'10 at NT, moved to OL last season, lost in game 3 vs. ND in '11 and took a RS), while Allen nearly had his 'shirt pulled last year to help out on the OL. Most expect Treadwell to win that, but it could be an interesting week or so.
As far as positions of most/least confidence, I'm most confident in the linebackers. Every single LB from '11 returns, including a pair of 2nd Team All B1G guys in MIKE Bullough and SAM Denicos Allen. Starting WILL Chris Norman is the most experienced member (Hon. Mention All B1G in '11) and looks to be healthy after an off-season shoulder surgery. These three will compete with tOSU and PSU for the best LB unit in the conference.
At the moment, I'm least confident in the tight ends. A lot of folks focus on the WR issue for MSU, but there are at least some guys in there that have played CFB (albeit in minor roles). At TE, there's Dion Sims, a RS JR who's had a largely injury-plagued career (injured wrist last year saw him catch no passes in the last 7 games), but he at least had 3 TDs in '11. Behind him are a converted DE in his first year (6'2 260 pound Denzel Drone), a walk-on (Gleichart, 6'5 255), a JUCO (Jamare Mills, 6'5 265ish) and 2 true FR. MSU's offense is at its best when it can run 2 TE sets in the middle of the field, and 3 TE sets near the goal-line. Right now there's one semi-proven option in Sims, a guy who's had better success in the spring game than during real games. This position is probably the thinnest and least experienced on the roster.
This post was edited by 007Spartan on 8/6/2012 at 1:00 PM
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n8wildey said...
I'll take a shot at this, even though I wasn't listed as a roundtable member representing UM...
Offense:
QB: No need to elaborate on Robinson being the starter. He will be backed up by Gardner. RB: Toussaint was supposed to be the starter, but got into legal trouble and his indefinite suspension is a question mark still. There is no telling when he will be allowed to play. This leaves Vincent Smith and Thomas Rawls. Smith has a lot of experience, but is more of a 3rd-down back. Rawls is a bruiser, but inexperienced. They will likely split time if/when Toussaint is out. They will not bring to the table what Toussaint does, but they can be solid. My guess is that Smith will play more early due to experience. WR: A big question mark going in. Roundtree and Gallon will be starters, and the battle is for the 3rd and 4th spots (depending on the personnel package). Jerald Robinson has the tools (size/speed), just not much experience. Jeremy Jackson is more of a posession type receiver, but I don't look for him to contribute more than just depth at the position. Incoming frosh Darboh and Chesson could contribute as WR is typically one of the easier positions for a freshman to pick up, but the route tree for the west coast offense is a little more complex than, let's say the spread. They both have the physical attributes that could earn them playing time. I would bet on Robinson winning the 3rd spot, and a combination of the rest for the 4th spot. TE: Another big question mark. Moore is slated to be the starter, and there isn't much after him. Ricardo Miller played TE last year, but is rumored to be moving back to WR (where he could vie for time). The next best options are probably the freshmen in Williams and Funchess. Williams is built like an OT whereas Funchess is more like a big receiver. The question for each is can they do what they aren't necessarily built for; Williams in the receiving game, and Funchess in the blocking game. Situationally, I think they can and will contribute. OL: Lewan at LT, Barnum at C, Omameh at RG, and Schofield at RT are your starters. LG is still up in the air with Mealer battling a former walk-on whose name I don't even want to try to spell. Incoming frosh Kyle Kalis could challenge since he has the size to contribute right away, but the question is can he pick up the playbook and blocking schemes. This position is hard to predict the starter at.
Defense:
WDE: Beyer was the starter coming out of spring ball, and the suspension of Frank Clark furthers his lead on the competition. Mario Ojemudia is an incoming frosh with a lot of potential, but he needs to gain weight and strength before he becomes a threat for serious playing time. He also needs some technique work, but with this staff basically having 3 DL coaches, he will get the attention he needs. The Clark suspension hurts because there isn't much else. Strobel was slated to come in at SDE, but he could make the move to WDE for depth. He has the size already to contribute early, but it is pure speculation that he will be moved over, and starting a freshman anywhere on the field is a bit scary (same goes for Mario). Speculating again, Jake Ryan, the starting SLB could put his hand down and contribute to this position, but until it is confirmed that the staff moves him, I will leave him out of the equation.
NT: Will Campbell seemingly has had the light go on for him and has shown up to camp in the best shape of his career. The now senior and former 5* recruit has yet to play up to his potential, but he has shown a lot in the offseason to give reason for optimism. Behind him, there are a couple of depth guys in Richard Ash and Quintin Washington that have not shown much, though Ash reportedly had a pretty good spring. Incoming frosh Ondre Pipkins is a beast, and could find his way into the 2-deep. Mattison, the DC, likes to have a 2-3 man rotation on the DL to keep guys fresh so I would go with Campbell, Ash and Pipkins.
DT (3-tech): Jibreel Black has moved from WDE to the 3-tech in the offseason and showed potential in the spring. He is a bit undersized, but very athletic for the position. He is slated to be the starter, with Washington likely rotating in. Former walk-on Nate Brink could also see time there, as well as Kenny Wilkins. The depth behind Black at this point is unclear.
SDE:
Craig Roh made the move from WDE to SDE in the spring, and SDE appears to be his more natural position. He is slated to be the starter. Behind him, there is Hietzman (sp?) and Brink, who may rotate between 3-tech and SDE. Incoming frosh Wormley, Godin, and Strobel were brought in at the position, but Wormley and Godin have the size to move down to the 3-tech and one of them most likely will, though this is once again speculation on my part.
WLB: Returning starter Desmond Morgan is solid at the position and could have a breakout year. Hawthorne backs him up, and incoming freshman James Ross showed up much bigger than expected and could push for time.
MLB: Kenny Demens returns to the middle and is slated as the starter. He has all of the tools, but struggled with consistency last year. Hawthorne spent some time at the MIKE in the spring and could get some playing time. The surprise of the position is early enrollee Joe Bolden. He will likely be in the 2-deep and be the primary backup for Demens. A huge responsibility for a freshmen to fill as this position is widely known to be the QB of the defense, but Bolden handled it well in the spring. He is very instinctual and has a high football IQ. He also has the range to roam from sideline to sideline.
SLB: Jake Ryan is posed for a big year at the position, with Cam Gordon backing him up. The biggest question, to which I elluded to earlier is if Ryan sees time at WDE. Gordon is a very capable backup so the move is plausible in my eyes. Either way, this should be a position of strength, as will the other LB positions.
CB: JT Floyd and Blake Countess return as the starters and should be solid. Courtney Avery has seen rather extensive playing time, both at corner and nickel back so he provides good depth. There is youth in numbers with Raymond Taylor, Delonte Hollowell, and a host of other players that could get a look. CB will be a position of strength.
S: Kovacs will continue his amazing story at SS and the former walk-on will be the leader of the secondary. He will be backed up by Josh Furman and Marvin Robinson, who could also see time at FS. Thomas Gordon is slated to be the returning starter at FS, and reports from the spring were that he got rid of his hesitancy and he will make plays. Robinson and early enrollee Jarrod Wilson could push for time. Robinson has yet to live up to his billing, but has the physical tools. If the game slows down for him, watch out. With Wilson, he is a ball hawk, but doesn't have the size to be a solid tackler...yet. He had all summer to build his physique and the coaches will drill tackling technique into him during fall camp.
Overall, there is a lot of potential on both sides of the ball, but several question marks. Offensively, LG is a position where someone needs to step up. Depth on the OL is not where it should be, and an injury to a starter could cause major issues. Both WR and TE will need some development in camp, and somebody will have to emerge. Lack of a deep threat is a concern at this point. Defensively, DL is the biggest question mark. The back 7 all return and there is good depth at each position behind the line, but the DL is unproven to say the least. If the DL can take up blockers and get penetration, this could be a very tough defense. The last question mark is special teams related. The return game last year, both PR and KR, left something to be desired. Look for freshman Dennis Norfleet to make an immediate impact. He is small, but he is a playmaker.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
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getmyjive11 said...
For PSU..
Most: DL, LB, maybe RB (lots of optimism there from me) Least: DB (thin), QB (The Mox), K/P (both kids are not proven)
As for OL, WR and TE, I am excited to see them play. They will all be young which is why I am not confident in them, but they have talent and *should* be an upgrade over last year (maybe not WR).
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davebucknut said...
Looking forward to another great season. Hopefully we'll all show up and win in our ooc games(except for meeeeeeechigan of course).
Buckle your seatbelts because urban renewal is in full effect so you've got one year to catch up or we'll begin a multi year streak of big ten titles in 2013.
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