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B1G Roundtable - OffSeason Edition #2 - Impact Freshmen

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    Moderator/host: Steve Wiltfong

    This is meant to be a civil, informative discussion about how your team looks so far this spring. We'll start off with a position by position look at the teams in the spring, starting on offense.

    If you're not a fan of the Big Ten and flame this thread, your post will be deleted immediately. This RoundTable was created so Big Ten fans could learn more about each program outside of their own favorite school.

    Next topic: Redshirt and True Freshman

    It's over 100 days till the kick-off of the 2012 season, so I hope these will give us something to talk about over the summer months.

    Freshmen are always fun to discuss; they come in with high school accolades and the expectations for them can range from career depth player to instant All-American. I'd like to hear about everyone's true and red-shirt FR class on these topics:

    1) Are there any true/RS FR who are being counted on to lock-down a starting role? What is the situation if they fail to do so?

    2) How many true FR do you expect to play this year/how many are going to get red-shirts?

    Just for fun: Do you prefer to play a kid as a true FR, or RS him? The balance is between getting a kid immediate PT as a true FR, with the expectation that he'll be more advanced as a Soph (as opposed to a RS FR) and giving a guy an extra year to adapt to college, with the expectation that he'll be farther along in terms of strength and conditioning as a RS SR (as opposed any true SR or younger he'll go up against).

    Here's a link to the QB/WR discussion: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-1-Spring-Edition--8787987/1

    Here's the OL/running game: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-2-Rushing-Offenses-8926246/1

    Front 7/run defense: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-3-Front-7s-9051479

    Passing Defenses: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-4-Passing-Defense-9195860

    Special Teams/Post-Spring Outlook: http://247sports.com/Board/30/B1G-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-5-S-TeamsPost-Spring-Outlook-9340304/1#a9462624

    Off-Season Edition #1 - Early Schedule Analysis: http://247sports.com/Board/30/B1G-Roundtable-Off-Season-Edition-1-Early-Schedule-Analysis-9462660/1

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Michigan State:

    1. There are only 2 spots in the starting 22 that could be filled by a RS/true FR: WR and FS. At WR it looks like the starting 3 will be RS JR Bennie Fowler, RS Soph Tony Lippett and true Soph DeAnthony Arnett. After those 3, however, there is just 1 non-FR; RS Soph Keith Mumphrey. That means RS FR AJ Sims Jr. (5'9 185) and Juwan Ceasar (6'3 197), along with true FR Kyle Kerrick, MacGarrett Kings, Monty Madaris and Aaron Burbridge could all see PT. Kerrick was in for spring, but looks like a likely RS candidate this year. Sims Jr. impressed throughout the spring and will compete with Arnett for the slot WR spot.

    The real issue is that, although Fowler and Lippett are listed as the 2 starters, neither played this spring due to injuries. In short, the WR position is open, and the young players will be given a chance to play, and even start. I wouldn't go so far as to say that MSU NEEDS a true/RS FR to emerge at WR, but the position would be thin without at least 1 or 2 young players contributing.

    The other position where a FR could seize a starting role is FS. Trenton Robinson is now with the 49ers, and a battle was waged all spring between RS Soph Kurtis Drummond (6'1 200) and RS FR RJ Williamson (6'0 200). Drummond looks to have the leg up at the end of spring, but this spot won't be known till fall. Semper Fidelus All-American Demetrious Cox arrives this fall and could compete with Drummond and Williamson as well, though smart money is that Cox will see time on special teams and possibly as a wild-cat QB before he works his way into the secondary. Drummond was a lot of time last year as the starting nickel-back, and it's expected that the loser of the FS competition will slide into the 5th DB role.

    2) MSU's class of 18 should see most of them RS. I'd anticipate 1 or 2 of the true FR WR's to play, along with Cox and at least one other DB (S Mark Meyer, CBs Ezra Robinson and Jermaine Edmondson). QB O'Connor will RS, along with OL Higgins, McGowan and Kieler. Due to depth at LB, I'd expect both Jamal Lyles and Riley Bullough to RS, as well as DT David Fennell. MSU picked up a JUCO TE in Jamare Mills at the end of April, leading me to believe that true FR TEs Josiah Price and Evan Jones will RS.

    An intriguing prospect is RB Nick Tompkins, a speed RB from GA. He may see time as a change of pace RB, though RS Soph Nick Hill laid a strong claim to the role with his solid spring performance. Tompkins could also see time at WR, as MSU seems to be taking a "Hey, if we put 8-9 guys at one position, 2-3 good ones will emerge" approach there.

    Add it all up, and I'd expect 5-6 players out of 18 to play this year: 1-2 WRs, Cox + 1 more DB, Tompkins and Mills, the JUCO.

    3) In terms of preference, I prefer to let DBs, RBs and WRs play as true FR, while RSing QBs, TEs, OL, DL and LBs. I think the non-QB/TE skill players and DBs can contribute early, and benefit more from getting used to the speed of the game as true FR than they do from improved strength and conditioning alone. The QBs . . . unless there's an immediate need, it's worth it to let the QB take a full year to absorb the system then throw him into the fire. OL/DL are self-explanatory; strength and size matters the most down there, and RS SRs enjoy a nice edge in the trenches if they have a couple of years of weight training on the guy they're opposing. LBs, it depends on the system really; some systems have easy reads, others do not. TEs . . . I think really learning college blocking takes a year and TEs rarely leave for the pros early.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • I don't think we will have any freshman that will start with the exception of Punter. We are just not that type of program for several reasons.

    A. We don't get that many players with the ability to start from day one.
    B. We don't have too many guys leaving early so most guys would be blocked.
    C. We are and probably always will be a developmental program to a certain extent.

    With that said there are a number of kids who will be in the 2 deep and will see the field.

    1) Are there any true/RS FR who are being counted on to lock-down a starting role? What is the situation if they fail to do so?

    Right now it is only RS Fr Drew Meyer at Punter. Honestly he looked terrible during the spring game and that was with no returns allowed. Conditions were not great, but hey we are in big 10 country. get used to it. Many are hoping that our kicker French will take over punting.

    A guess if O'Brien doesn't cut it at QB our next option is RS Fr Joel Stave. He has looked pretty good lately including the spring game, but heaven help us if we have to run with him this year.

    Since this could be a boring topic for a team like us I will go over some of the one's that will have a prominant role. I will try to rank these in order of value and then talk about thier role.

    Melvin Gordon RB RS FR - He will be 2B at running back for us this year. The kid is the most explosive back we have and when all is said and done I would not be surprised to see him top the 500 yd mark. Gun to my head says over 700. He could start for some teams in this league right now. We have a pretty deep backfield, which is a nice problem to have given our QB situation.

    Dan Voltz OC True FR - He was an early enroll. Sitting as guaranteed #2 center. The problem is that he is sitting behind our best lineman. He is also learning OG and if our staff gets desperate they could use him there. There is a possiblity that happens sometime this year. We will see him on the field throughout the year.

    Tyler Marz OC RS FR - Should end up in the 2 deep at OT not sure he will push to start.

    LB - Our deepest unit on the team has at least 2 sure starters. There are at least 3 guys to to choose from for the 3rd that are ahead of any Fr.
    Vince Biegel LB True FR - all real stud coming in, but as good as we are here we may have to RS him.
    Jake Keefer LB RS FR - May end up in the 2 deep, but hard to tell right now we some of the nagging injuries we had in the spring. He may have had more time because of that. Look real good though
    Derek Watt LB RS FR - probably one of the more talked about kids in the spring. has a knack for making plays just like his brother did. I feel the staff wants to keep in him in the 2 deep and get him on the field when they can.

    Secondary - This is an area where we might see one of these guys jump out in the season. As of right now they are all in the 2 deep and the gap isn't that big.
    Michael Caputo S RS FR - Hard hitting safety who was injured during his senior year of HS so he had to RS. I could see him starting.
    Terrance Floyd DB RS FR - was a great prospect that opened a lot of eyes in the spring game with his hitting and coverage skills
    Darius Hillary DB RS FR - staff loved him last year before he got injured. With the state of our corners i could see him on that track again.

    2) How many true FR do you expect to play this year/how many are going to get red-shirts?

    Vince Biegel LB Wisconsin Rapids, WI - I would guess RS, but based only on quality depth at the position not his skill level.

    Hugs Etienne DB Plantation, FL - Enrolled early. I would like to say RS, but you never know with him being on campus and the need for playmakers at DB

    Arthur Goldberg DT Pittsburgh, PA - RS won't get reps

    Bart Houston QB Concord, CA - RS, had shoulder surgery at the end of his senior season.

    Vonte Jackson RB Kenosha, WI - Early enroll, but should redshirt. he tore his ACL senior year

    Reggie Love WR Boca Raton, FL - RS unless he blows the doors off. already have enough projects at WR

    Jake Meador OL Whiteland, IN - RS build future depth

    Reggie Mitchell ATH Pittsburgh, PA - RS

    Leo Musso RB Waunakee, WI - Not sure they will RS and he will just be a utility guy til they figure out where he is needed. probably ST ace.

    D.J. Singleton DB Jersey City, NJ - very interesting prospect. I could actually see him challenging the 2 deep. No RS

    Dan Voltz OL Barrington, IL - No RS will play

    Walker Williams OL Tacoma, WA - RS he is blocked.

    So that is 7 for sure, 2 no way, and 3 maybes.

    Personally i think we RS too much. It is really biting us this year with the limited scholly's. I like to look at it in terms of how hard it is for us to recruit a position. QB and DT always seem to be tough for us so there is value in RS those guys in case you swing and miss. Then again maybe a reason it is so tough for us is because we always have a lot of young guys in the hopper. Although you can never say that about QB. We have a great S&C program so there is value in getting these guys more time. We also have to rely on the developmental aspect too. Where it burns us is when you have a guy leave early like JJ Watt. He is at a high developmental spot and the guys aren't ready to step in. On the other side we would never have an issue if a RB leaves early and typically not on the OL. Just so happens we recruit those spots a little better. Just so happens that the state has also produced those prospects for us. All in all it is a delicate balance for a program like us, but I still feel if we want to take the next step we have to pull back a little.

    This post was edited by dustelli on 5/16/2012 at 11:59 AM

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    I don't think we will have any freshman that will start with the exception of Punter. We are just not that type of program for several reasons.

    A. We don't get that many players with the ability to start from day one. B. We don't have too many guys leaving early so most guys would be blocked. C. We are and probably always will be a developmental program to a certain extent.

    With that said there are a number of kids who will be in the 2 deep and will see the field.

    1) Are there any true/RS FR who are being counted on to lock-down a starting role? What is the situation if they fail to do so?

    Right now it is only RS Fr Drew Meyer at Punter. Honestly he looked terrible during the spring game and that was with no returns allowed. Conditions were not great, but hey we are in big 10 country. get used to it. Many are hoping that our kicker French will take over punting.

    A guess if O'Brien doesn't cut it at QB our next option is RS Fr Joel Stave. He has looked pretty good lately including the spring game, but heaven help us if we have to run with him this year.

    Since this could be a boring topic for a team like us I will go over some of the one's that will have a prominant role. I will try to rank these in order of value and then talk about thier role.

    Melvin Gordon RB RS FR - He will be 2B at running back for us this year. The kid is the most explosive back we have and when all is said and done I would not be surprised to see him top the 500 yd mark. Gun to my head says over 700. He could start for some teams in this league right now. We have a pretty deep backfield, which is a nice problem to have given our QB situation.

    Dan Voltz OC True FR - He was an early enroll. Sitting as guaranteed #2 center. The problem is that he is sitting behind our best lineman. He is also learning OG and if our staff gets desperate they could use him there. There is a possiblity that happens sometime this year. We will see him on the field throughout the year.

    Tyler Marz OC RS FR - Should end up in the 2 deep at OT not sure he will push to start.

    LB - Our deepest unit on the team has at least 2 sure starters. There are at least 3 guys to to choose from for the 3rd that are ahead of any Fr. Vince Biegel LB True FR - all real stud coming in, but as good as we are here we may have to RS him. Jake Keefer LB RS FR - May end up in the 2 deep, but hard to tell right now we some of the nagging injuries we had in the spring. He may have had more time because of that. Look real good though Derek Watt LB RS FR - probably one of the more talked about kids in the spring. has a knack for making plays just like his brother did. I feel the staff wants to keep in him in the 2 deep and get him on the field when they can.

    Secondary - This is an area where we might see one of these guys jump out in the season. As of right now they are all in the 2 deep and the gap isn't that big. Michael Caputo S RS FR - Hard hitting safety who was injured during his senior year of HS so he had to RS. I could see him starting. Terrance Floyd DB RS FR - was a great prospect that opened a lot of eyes in the spring game with his hitting and coverage skills Darius Hillary DB RS FR - staff loved him last year before he got injured. With the state of our corners i could see him on that track again.

    2) How many true FR do you expect to play this year/how many are going to get red-shirts?

    Vince Biegel LB Wisconsin Rapids, WI - I would guess RS, but based only on quality depth at the position not his skill level.

    Hugs Etienne DB Plantation, FL - Enrolled early. I would like to say RS, but you never know with him being on campus and the need for playmakers at DB

    Arthur Goldberg DT Pittsburgh, PA - RS won't get reps

    Bart Houston QB Concord, CA - RS, had shoulder surgery at the end of his senior season.

    Vonte Jackson RB Kenosha, WI - Early enroll, but should redshirt. he tore his ACL senior year

    Reggie Love WR Boca Raton, FL - RS unless he blows the doors off. already have enough projects at WR

    Jake Meador OL Whiteland, IN - RS build future depth

    Reggie Mitchell ATH Pittsburgh, PA - RS

    Leo Musso RB Waunakee, WI - Not sure they will RS and he will just be a utility guy til they figure out where he is needed. probably ST ace.

    D.J. Singleton DB Jersey City, NJ - very interesting prospect. I could actually see him challenging the 2 deep. No RS

    Dan Voltz OL Barrington, IL - No RS will play

    Walker Williams OL Tacoma, WA - RS he is blocked.

    So that is 7 for sure, 2 no way, and 3 maybes.

    Personally i think we RS too much. It is really biting us this year with the limited scholly's. I like to look at it in terms of how hard it is for us to recruit a position. QB and DT always seem to be tough for us so there is value in RS those guys in case you swing and miss. Then again maybe a reason it is so tough for us is because we always have a lot of young guys in the hopper. Although you can never say that about QB. We have a great S&C program so there is value in getting these guys more time. We also have to rely on the developmental aspect too. Where it burns us is when you have a guy leave early like JJ Watt. He is at a high developmental spot and the guys aren't ready to step in. On the other side we would never have an issue if a RB leaves early and typically not on the OL. Just so happens we recruit those spots a little better. Just so happens that the state has also produced those prospects for us. All in all it is a delicate balance for a program like us, but I still feel if we want to take the next step we have to pull back a little.

    Nice write-up; I know MSU really wanted Gordon and Vonte Jackson.

    I know MSU's class in '12 and '13 are going to be small, but that's directly traceable to the Rather Hall incident wiping out a number of kids from the '07 and '08 classes; those scholarships went to the 2009 and 2010 classes. Since then, there's been minimal attrition and only 1 member of the 2011 class played last year (OLB Taiwan Jones). I suspect MSU will get back to playing 5-6 true FR, as they did during the 2007-2010 seasons.

    I will say this: if your team is doing a good-to-great job at recruiting and evaluating kids, then you don't need to have massive recruiting classes year in and year out to replace those guys who aren't performing well (cough* SEC cough*). I believe a player currently on the team is worth more than a recruit, because the player already has at least a year in the program, and there's no guarantee that the prospective recruit will work out. To me it's about quality rather than quantity, if the choice is between the two.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • For Michigan there are several positions at which, due to lack of depth, talent, or both, Freshman and Redshirt Freshman will be playing.
    Amara Darboh/Jehu Chesson- WR depth is pretty thin for Michigan and they lack a standout guy. I expect either one or the other to get solid minutes while the other redshirts.
    AJ Williams and Devin Funchess- I expect both of these guys to at least play, I could see Funchess potentially redshirting to gain weight but I'm not sure if the depth will allow it. That's how bad the TE depth is for Michigan.
    Kyle Kalis- A beast of an Offensive Lineman, Kalis should at least rotate in at T or G throughout the year, and if Michigan gets the injury bug then he could potentially start.
    Ondre Pipkins- Will be in the 2 deep at NT from day one. He is scary good and if Will Campbell doesn't perform this year, then I could easily see Pipkins starting by the middle of the season.
    Chris Wormley- I doubt that he sees any time at DE unless Craig Roh gets injured, but he could come in for some time at DT.
    Joe Bolden- Very good, instinctual, hard-nosed linebacker. Is an early enrollee and ran with the 1's during the spring game. I think that Bolden will be the biggest freshman contributor all year for Michigan.
    James Ross/Kaleb Ringer- I would prefer that both of them redshirt but I think that one of them will at least push for some time in the rotation by mid season.
    Jarrod Wilson- I personally don't think that he will play too much, if at all, due to the solid play of Thomas Gordon last year. But I could see him play quite a bit if he can secure the 2nd string spot. Also an early enrollee.

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    Never Lose Hoke

  • 1.) For Iowa you'll see Greg Garmon (high rated) Barkley Hill(homegrown bruiser) and maybe Micheal Malloy (home grown speedster) compete for the running back spot. It's a revolving door at our school. Lots of people expect Greg to take the job since he was rated the highest via the star system, but Hill runs like a typical Iowa back, 4 grinding yards with ball security, so it's tough saying who will start but I'm certain if history tells us anything that more than likely all will play with many of them getting injured or kicked off the team.

    2.) Dline your going to see Darian Cooper. The coaches were pretty close to playing him last year. He's a DT with a great motor and low drive. Melvin spears could play some DE this year as well. 315 lbs Jaleel Johnson could play DT as well, he is a highly rated DT and our Dline isn't spectacular as is so its an open market to the best man. Faith E. could also come in at DE, he's really quick and has size. Our Dline as is isn't something to look at. We have a lot of promising freshman but I feel like only a couple can make this hard transition of playing their first year.

    3.) Wideouts. Our new OC Greg Davis has been pretty vocal about how he wants more speed. Our current WR's are great B1G WR's but not burners by any means. Three of our incoming WR's have what Greg likes so I assume after August 1 or 2 of them will get the nod. My first guess is Mo Flemming, the kid is fast and a all round stud, a real ball hawk. Mabin & Smith are also speedsters with Smith looking amazing in his all american games.

    4.) Last position you could look at is our back up QB Jake Ruddock. He led his high school to the national championship(not state, national). But I wouldn't really expect to see him play unless injury or blowout.

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  • fuisu said...

    1.) For Iowa you'll see Greg Garmon (high rated) Barkley Hill(homegrown bruiser) and maybe Micheal Malloy (home grown speedster) compete for the running back spot. It's a revolving door at our school. Lots of people expect Greg to take the job since he was rated the highest via the star system, but Hill runs like a typical Iowa back, 4 grinding yards with ball security, so it's tough saying who will start but I'm certain if history tells us anything that more than likely all will play with many of them getting injured or kicked off the team.

    2.) Dline your going to see Darian Cooper. The coaches were pretty close to playing him last year. He's a DT with a great motor and low drive. Melvin spears could play some DE this year as well. 315 lbs Jaleel Johnson could play DT as well, he is a highly rated DT and our Dline isn't spectacular as is so its an open market to the best man. Faith E. could also come in at DE, he's really quick and has size. Our Dline as is isn't something to look at. We have a lot of promising freshman but I feel like only a couple can make this hard transition of playing their first year.

    3.) Wideouts. Our new OC Greg Davis has been pretty vocal about how he wants more speed. Our current WR's are great B1G WR's but not burners by any means. Three of our incoming WR's have what Greg likes so I assume after August 1 or 2 of them will get the nod. My first guess is Mo Flemming, the kid is fast and a all round stud, a real ball hawk. Mabin & Smith are also speedsters with Smith looking amazing in his all american games.

    4.) Last position you could look at is our back up QB Jake Ruddock. He led his high school to the national championship(not state, national). But I wouldn't really expect to see him play unless injury or blowout.

    The only frosh I would add to this list is punter Conner Kornbrath. He was one of the top K/P recruits in the country and should at least challenge for the starting job right away.

    The other newcomer I would add to the list is JuCo sophomore Eric Simmons. He was lightly recruited out of a small Iowa HS (Madrid), so he went to Iowa Western to up his stock. He signed with the Hawks in December, and he went through spring drills. I think I've read that the plan is to redshirt him, but if he adjusts well, he would earn a spot at guard or as the backup to James Ferentz at center.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    For Michigan there are several positions at which, due to lack of depth, talent, or both, Freshman and Redshirt Freshman will be playing. Amara Darboh/Jehu Chesson- WR depth is pretty thin for Michigan and they lack a standout guy. I expect either one or the other to get solid minutes while the other redshirts. AJ Williams and Devin Funchess- I expect both of these guys to at least play, I could see Funchess potentially redshirting to gain weight but I'm not sure if the depth will allow it. That's how bad the TE depth is for Michigan. Kyle Kalis- A beast of an Offensive Lineman, Kalis should at least rotate in at T or G throughout the year, and if Michigan gets the injury bug then he could potentially start. Ondre Pipkins- Will be in the 2 deep at NT from day one. He is scary good and if Will Campbell doesn't perform this year, then I could easily see Pipkins starting by the middle of the season. Chris Wormley- I doubt that he sees any time at DE unless Craig Roh gets injured, but he could come in for some time at DT. Joe Bolden- Very good, instinctual, hard-nosed linebacker. Is an early enrollee and ran with the 1's during the spring game. I think that Bolden will be the biggest freshman contributor all year for Michigan. James Ross/Kaleb Ringer- I would prefer that both of them redshirt but I think that one of them will at least push for some time in the rotation by mid season. Jarrod Wilson- I personally don't think that he will play too much, if at all, due to the solid play of Thomas Gordon last year. But I could see him play quite a bit if he can secure the 2nd string spot. Also an early enrollee.

    Any RS FR? I think everyone you listed are true FR.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • fuisu said...

    1.) For Iowa you'll see Greg Garmon (high rated) Barkley Hill(homegrown bruiser) and maybe Micheal Malloy (home grown speedster) compete for the running back spot. It's a revolving door at our school. Lots of people expect Greg to take the job since he was rated the highest via the star system, but Hill runs like a typical Iowa back, 4 grinding yards with ball security, so it's tough saying who will start but I'm certain if history tells us anything that more than likely all will play with many of them getting injured or kicked off the team.

    2.) Dline your going to see Darian Cooper. The coaches were pretty close to playing him last year. He's a DT with a great motor and low drive. Melvin spears could play some DE this year as well. 315 lbs Jaleel Johnson could play DT as well, he is a highly rated DT and our Dline isn't spectacular as is so its an open market to the best man. Faith E. could also come in at DE, he's really quick and has size. Our Dline as is isn't something to look at. We have a lot of promising freshman but I feel like only a couple can make this hard transition of playing their first year.

    3.) Wideouts. Our new OC Greg Davis has been pretty vocal about how he wants more speed. Our current WR's are great B1G WR's but not burners by any means. Three of our incoming WR's have what Greg likes so I assume after August 1 or 2 of them will get the nod. My first guess is Mo Flemming, the kid is fast and a all round stud, a real ball hawk. Mabin & Smith are also speedsters with Smith looking amazing in his all american games.

    4.) Last position you could look at is our back up QB Jake Ruddock. He led his high school to the national championship(not state, national). But I wouldn't really expect to see him play unless injury or blowout.

    Cooper and Johnson were another 2 guys that MSU wanted. Not thrilled to have to be playing them every year for the next 3-4. How's the DE situation looking overall? I think you guys are ok at DT in terms of #s (youth is an issue, of course), but I really can't think of a stand-out DE on your roster right now.

    I thought Davis was supposed to be a fast WR?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Any RS FR? I think everyone you listed are true FR.

    Bryant at OG could win the starting spot. And Justice Hayes could have an impact in the return game. Other than that, I don't think we will see much impact from any RS FR.

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  • you know what makes this really fun? Seeing all the guys we finished top 5 (sometimes 2,3) for that are now going to be starting for another team. lol

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    you know what makes this really fun? Seeing all the guys we finished top 5 (sometimes 2,3) for that are now going to be starting for another team. lol

    yea, I know what you mean lol

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Ohio State: Noah Spence, Pittman on defense, Dunn on offense
    Michigan State: De'Anthony Arnett (transfer from Tennessee)

    fars1d3s

  • fars1d3s said...

    Ohio State: Noah Spence, Pittman on defense, Dunn on offense Michigan State: De'Anthony Arnett (transfer from Tennessee)

    I don't count Arnett because he's a true soph; I'm more looking for guys who have not played a single down of CFB anywhere.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Maize&Blue said...

    Bryant at OG could win the starting spot. And Justice Hayes could have an impact in the return game. Other than that, I don't think we will see much impact from any RS FR.

    Heitzman had a strong spring/Spring Game so I wouldn't be surprised if he got some time along the DL.

    MaizeKC

  • MaizeKC said...

    Heitzman had a strong spring/Spring Game so I wouldn't be surprised if he got some time along the DL.

    Is Frank Clark a RS FR or a RS Soph?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Is Frank Clark a RS FR or a RS Soph?

    True sophmore

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