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Auburn by itself doesn't recruit. Tubbs' last 2 years is an example of that but a motivated staff can clearly get it done. With that said, Petrino isn't known for being a strong recruiter and needs to be for auburn to play at the level that the fans expect. "IF" he was able to assemble a staff that could recruit well, and had a DC who could develop and field a tough defense, then he could be very successful. I have always been under the impression that he emphasized offensive players a lot more in the recruiting process and would have to sacrifice some to the defense to be successful. I'm not sold that he would do that, and if not, I don't see auburn being better than 3rd in the west as long as Bama and LSU stay where they are at.
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ColaChiver said...
We won't get a coach as good as Saban because there isn't one as good as Saban....vertically challenged as the little fella is, he is the best college coach in the game.
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BetterOff said...
His last 2 years had some talent. They finished 16th in 2006 and 11th in 2007 in recruiting so it couldn't have been that bad.
Had players like Ben Tate, Lee Ziemba, Ryan Pugh, Chaz Ramsey, Darvin Adams, and Josh Bynes.
Have to remember, Auburn got to #1 in the country one year under Chizik. They might be #3 in the West on average, but that doesn't mean that they can't be the #1 team from time to time as well.
This post was edited by BayTider on 10/24/2012 at 10:42 AM
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As far as Tubb's recruiting, those classes ended up not being very good though despite having the guys you mentioned. Or maybe they just weren't developed. I'm definitely not going to argue their potential to occasionally win the West with CBP at all. My point is, I just don't see them consistently being on a level that would cause us concern like LSU does. However, I do like Petrino as a coach and i do think he would be fairly successful.
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As far as Tubb's recruiting, those classes ended up not being very good though despite having the guys you mentioned. Or maybe they just weren't developed. I'm definitely not going to argue their potential to occasionally win the West with CBP at all. My point is, I just don't see them consistently being on a level that would cause us concern like LSU does. However, I do like Petrino as a coach and i do think he would be fairly successful.
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Saban is obviously a very good coach, but I dont buy into him being far and away better than everyone else like the majority of people do. Saban has only won a whopping 3 conference championships in his 15 years of coaching combine between Michigan State, LSU, and bammer. He won zero conference echampionships in 5 years at Michigan State, two conference championships in 5 years at LSU and 1 conference championship in 5 years at Alabama, If he is so vastly superior to eveyone else, how do you explain that? By the way, Mark Dantonio has won a conference championship at Michigan State, but Saban could not when he worked there.
Saban's national championships were the result of good cooaching and having good players lucked also played a part in all 3 of them. Lucky to back into the championship game last year after losing to LSU in regular season, lucky Colt McCoy got injured in 2009, and lucky to make it in LSU in 2003 after losing to a mediocre Florida team by 3 touchdowns in regular season
You could make a case that Pete Carrol and Bob Stoops are as good or better, but they havent had the same luck. They arent leaving their current jobs anyway. It would also be interesting to see what Petrino, Chris Peterson and a handful of other coaches could do if they had the same caliber of players Saban routinely has. You could even add Mark Dantonio to the handful of other coaches because he has had more success at Michigan State than Saban did
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Saban is obviously a very good coach, but I dont buy into him being far and away better than everyone else like the majority of people do. Saban has only won a whopping 3 conference championships in his 15 years of coaching combine between Michigan State, LSU, and bammer. He won zero conference echampionships in 5 years at Michigan State, two conference championships in 5 years at LSU and 1 conference championship in 5 years at Alabama, If he is so vastly superior to eveyone else, how do you explain that? By the way, Mark Dantonio has won a conference championship at Michigan State, but Saban could not when he worked there.
Saban's national championships were the result of good cooaching and having good players lucked also played a part in all 3 of them. Lucky to back into the championship game last year after losing to LSU in regular season, lucky Colt McCoy got injured in 2009, and lucky to make it in LSU in 2003 after losing to a mediocre Florida team by 3 touchdowns in regular season
You could make a case that Pete Carrol and Bob Stoops are as good or better, but they havent had the same luck. They arent leaving their current jobs anyway. It would also be interesting to see what Petrino, Chris Peterson and a handful of other coaches could do if they had the same caliber of players Saban routinely has. You could even add Mark Dantonio to the handful of other coaches because he has had more success at Michigan State than Saban did
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CptAUmerica21 said...
Petrino got Arkansas on LSU's level. Think about what he could do with Auburn... LSU and Auburn are historically identical and to say we are a lock at 3rd in the west is dumb. Auburn, LSU, and Bama always rotate and that is a fact that cannot be argued
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IIRC, Miles and Petrino split head to head over the last 4 years, but since 2008 Arky only finished ahead of LSU once. Arky never won an NC and Miles has 2 at LSU. The two programs may "historically" be on the same level, but the 2 coaches are not. You would like to assume that auburn is a far better program than the other two, which it isn't, and that fact then somehow makes CBP a better coach than he is. He will recruiter better at auburn than Arky but not on the level you guys expect. i never said that they would be a lock at 3rd, i even said in another post they may occasionally win the West, but most years they would not be in that position.
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BetterOff said...
Those 2 classes were the backbone of their National Championship season, minus Nick, Cam, and Dyer.
I know those 3 had a lot to do with it, but so did that offensive line, Terrell Zachery, Darvin Adams, Kodi Burns (not many catches, but the ones he made were huge for them very often), Mario Fanin, Quindarius Carr, Desmond Washington, punter Ryan Shoemaker, kicker Wes Bynum, Zac Etheridge, Antoine Carter, and Zach Clayton.
Those were all guys that made impacts for that team throughout the season that were Tuberville recruits. You take a few of those guys away and they don't win the SEC that year, IMO. Sure, Auburn had to have a guy like Cam to make that year possible, but even Cam needed an offensive line that was one of the best on football and some solid WRs to get it done.
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Saban is obviously a very good coach, but I dont buy into him being far and away better than everyone else like the majority of people do. Saban has only won a whopping 3 conference championships in his 15 years of coaching combine between Michigan State, LSU, and bammer. He won zero conference echampionships in 5 years at Michigan State, two conference championships in 5 years at LSU and 1 conference championship in 5 years at Alabama, If he is so vastly superior to eveyone else, how do you explain that? By the way, Mark Dantonio has won a conference championship at Michigan State, but Saban could not when he worked there.
Saban's national championships were the result of good cooaching and having good players lucked also played a part in all 3 of them. Lucky to back into the championship game last year after losing to LSU in regular season, lucky Colt McCoy got injured in 2009, and lucky to make it in LSU in 2003 after losing to a mediocre Florida team by 3 touchdowns in regular season
You could make a case that Pete Carrol and Bob Stoops are as good or better, but they havent had the same luck. They arent leaving their current jobs anyway. It would also be interesting to see what Petrino, Chris Peterson and a handful of other coaches could do if they had the same caliber of players Saban routinely has. You could even add Mark Dantonio to the handful of other coaches because he has had more success at Michigan State than Saban did
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IIRC, Miles and Petrino split head to head over the last 4 years, but since 2008 Arky only finished ahead of LSU once. Arky never won an NC and Miles has 2 at LSU. The two programs may "historically" be on the same level, but the 2 coaches are not. You would like to assume that auburn is a far better program than the other two, which it isn't, and that fact then somehow makes CBP a better coach than he is. He will recruiter better at auburn than Arky but not on the level you guys expect. i never said that they would be a lock at 3rd, i even said in another post they may occasionally win the West, but most years they would not be in that position.
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BetterOff said...
Shula deserves a ton of credit. No one can deny that he left the Alabama program much better than he found it. I would say that if Brodie hadn't gotten hurt his Junior year that he could have had 2 10-win seasons and wouldn't have been fired after 2006....unfortunately. 2006 and 2007 were the 2 years that suffered the most from the sactions from 2003-2004.
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