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  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    The point is that a product you endorse is behind a lot of the violence in these mass shootings. Taking away these guns is not going to hinder your freedom or your security because there are other alternatives. It is only going to affect your want. That's a shame because you are not the problem. It's people who are abusing the product to hurt others that are the problem. But the product is the only thing we can predict/control in the situation and so we need to take action is limit the destruction other individuals may cause with those types of guns.

    Baseball bats are the most commonly used murder weapon in the country.. lets take those away, they can use tennis rackets instead.

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    Baseball bats are the most commonly used murder weapon in the country.. lets take those away, they can use tennis rackets instead.

    lol

    ROLL TIDE!

    rollingtide2004 ●

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    Your hands on experience is not going to change the perspective that guns are inherently dangerous, even more so when used improperly. Just because you have used it doesn't make it any safer for anyone else to use.

    Damn near everything imaginable is inherently dangerous if used improperly. Once again, NONE of your arguments hold any weight.

    Cars are dangerous if driven recklessly.

    Tylenol is dangerous if you take too many.

    Baseball bats are dangerous if you hit a living object.

    Microwaves are dangerous if you put the wrong things in them.

    Viagra is dangerous if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours.

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    Baseball bats are the most commonly used murder weapon in the country.. lets take those away, they can use tennis rackets instead.

    If bats were the weapon of choice in 70% of homicides in the US, then we could have that argument.

    FBI — Table 20

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20

    www.fbi.gov

    CliftonHokie09

  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    Viagra is dangerous if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours.

    I call that the "Drunk Sweet Spot."

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    Damn near everything imaginable is inherently dangerous if used improperly. Once again, NONE of your arguments hold any weight.

    Cars are dangerous if driven recklessly.

    Tylenol is dangerous if you take too many.

    Baseball bats are dangerous if you hit a living object.

    Microwaves are dangerous if you put the wrong things in them.

    Viagra is dangerous if your erection lasts longer than 4 hours.

    Except guns are inherently dangerous whether you use them improperly or not. Pay attention to sentence structure, as I used a comma, then used the phrase "even more so."

    CliftonHokie09

  • You guys still haven't answered my question. "What practical use handguns, semi-autos and extended clips have that shotguns and rifles could not do?"

    Anything? Anything at all?

    getmyjive11

  • getmyjive11 said...

    You guys still haven't answered my question. "What practical use handguns, semi-autos and extended clips have that shotguns and rifles could not do?"

    Anything? Anything at all?

    I've already answered your idiotic question in another thread.

    I cannot carry a shotgun and bolt action rifle concealed for self defense.

    So you also want semi auto handguns banned? It'll NEVER happen.

    Marshall Nole

  • Marshall Nole said...

    I've already answered your idiotic question in another thread.

    I cannot carry a shotgun and bolt action rifle concealed for self defense.

    So you also want semi auto handguns banned? It'll NEVER happen.

    Yes, I do. Because you don't need a hand gun for protection. What percentage of people go walking around in public with a gun? They don't need it for protection, so why should you?

    getmyjive11

  • Marshall Nole said...

    I've already answered your idiotic question in another thread.

    I cannot carry a shotgun and bolt action rifle concealed for self defense.

    So you also want semi auto handguns banned? It'll NEVER happen.

    Here's another question. Why does it have to be concealed? Wouldn't you want a perpetrator to know you have a gun so he stays away? I know its the law, so it was more of a rhetorical question, but why not have some of identifier, like an article of clothing, that indicates you are carrying? If the NRA came up with a universal "uniform" then you probably would have a greater effect as people would act differently around those who are carrying. Everyone acts differently around police officers and I would expect if you are wearing something that identifies you as an individual with a gun, then I'd expect you'd see less crimes in areas you are, negating the need to even use the gun.

    CliftonHokie09

  • Marshall Nole said...

    I've already answered your idiotic question in another thread.

    I cannot carry a shotgun and bolt action rifle concealed for self defense.

    So you also want semi auto handguns banned? It'll NEVER happen.

    Not to mention all the semi-auto hunting rifles, Browning BAR, Remington 7400, etc.

    ROLL TIDE!

    rollingtide2004 ●

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    Here's another question. Why does it have to be concealed? Wouldn't you want a perpetrator to know you have a gun so he stays away? I know its the law, so it was more of a rhetorical question, but why not have some of identifier, like an article of clothing, that indicates you are carrying? If the NRA came up with a universal "uniform" then you probably would have a greater effect as people would act differently around those who are carrying. Everyone acts differently around police officers and I would expect if you are wearing something that identifies you as an individual with a gun, then I'd expect you'd see less crimes in areas you are, negating the need to even use the gun.

    No I wouldn't want someone to know I am carrying. I want potential armed robbers reluctant to rob someone because they don't know if they are armed or not.

    Marshall Nole

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    Here's another question. Why does it have to be concealed? Wouldn't you want a perpetrator to know you have a gun so he stays away? I know its the law, so it was more of a rhetorical question, but why not have some of identifier, like an article of clothing, that indicates you are carrying? If the NRA came up with a universal "uniform" then you probably would have a greater effect as people would act differently around those who are carrying. Everyone acts differently around police officers and I would expect if you are wearing something that identifies you as an individual with a gun, then I'd expect you'd see less crimes in areas you are, negating the need to even use the gun.

    clap That's why I should be allowed to carry my pistol in a holster on my side, if I so choose.

    ROLL TIDE!

    rollingtide2004 ●

  • getmyjive11 said...

    Yes, I do. Because you don't need a hand gun for protection. What percentage of people go walking around in public with a gun? They don't need it for protection, so why should you?

    go f-ck yourself. This ultra liberal crap coming from someone whos fanbase defends pedofiles.

    Crime is much lower in areas with high percentages of CCL. It ain't going anywhere. You MAY get an assault weapons ban reintroduced if you are lucky, but you will never get the right to carry concealed taken away. Drop that pipedream.

    Marshall Nole

  • Marshall Nole said...

    go f-ck yourself. This ultra liberal crap coming from someone whos fanbase defends pedofiles.

    Crime is much lower in areas with high percentages of CCL. It ain't going anywhere. You MAY get an assault weapons ban reintroduced if you are lucky, but you will never get the right to carry concealed taken away. Drop that pipedream.

    Actually there are no conclusions that CCL works/doesn't work. It won't go away because it's a states issue, unless you have someone with a CCL kill innocent bystanders and it becomes a national topic.

    CliftonHokie09

  • Marshall Nole said...

    go f-ck yourself. This ultra liberal crap coming from someone whos fanbase defends pedofiles.

    Crime is much lower in areas with high percentages of CCL. It ain't going anywhere. You MAY get an assault weapons ban reintroduced if you are lucky, but you will never get the right to carry concealed taken away. Drop that pipedream.

    So wait... how many guns do I own? Take a guess.

    getmyjive11

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    Except guns are inherently dangerous whether you use them improperly or not. Pay attention to sentence structure, as I used a comma, then used the phrase "even more so."

    How? Explain how me having a firearm is dangerous?

    They are no more inherently dangerous than an automobile. I could run someone over just as easily as I could shoot someone.

    My children could take my keys and go for a joy ride running people over or killing themselves JUST as easily as they could shoot someone or themselves.

    Your argument is completely weightless to anyone not paranoid and uneducated about firearms.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    So wait... how many guns do I own? Take a guess.

    If you own ANY, I suggest you take training courses on firearms as you are very under-educated on firearms in their entirety as proven by your ignorant remarks in this thread.

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    How? Explain how me having a firearm is dangerous?

    They are no more inherently dangerous than an automobile. I could run someone over just as easily as I could shoot someone.

    My children could take my keys and go for a joy ride running people over or killing themselves JUST as easily as they could shoot someone or themselves.

    Your argument is completely weightless to anyone not paranoid and uneducated about firearms.

    Because one is a weapon and the other isn't. A car can be used as a weapon, but it's sole purpose is for transportation. A gun is not used for an other purpose. If you want to use it for protection, hunting, etc. All of those functions define what a weapon can be used for. It's different than a knife or a baseball bat too because those serve another purpose. A knife is used to cut something in every day use and a baseball bat is used to hit a baseball. Both can be used as a weapon, but that is not their intended use.

    CliftonHokie09

  • CliftonHokie09 said...

    Because one is a weapon and the other isn't. A car can be used as a weapon, but it's sole purpose is for transportation. A gun is not used for an other purpose. If you want to use it for protection, hunting, etc. All of those functions define what a weapon can be used for. It's different than a knife or a baseball bat too because those serve another purpose. A knife is used to cut something in every day use and a baseball bat is used to hit a baseball. Both can be used as a weapon, but that is not their intended use.

    Target and competition shooting is a sport, hunting is also a sport.

    How many times are you going to fail at trying to make the same invalid point become valid.

    Owning a firearm is NOT dangerous if done so responsibly. The same can be said for multitudes of things, yew awh slow.

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  • azvalleybuckeye said...

    If you own ANY, I suggest you take training courses on firearms as you are very under-educated on firearms in their entirety as proven by your ignorant remarks in this thread.

    I did back when I was a teenager. Thanks for the concern.

    getmyjive11

  • azvalleybuckeye said...

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    Owning a firearm is NOT dangerous if done so responsibly.

    Unfortunately there are many, many people who cannot handle it. That's the issue. I would rather no have access to something than have it be used for mass murder.

    getmyjive11

  • I'm glad some of you carry guns. It keeps people like me from kicking your coward ass when you bump into me. You better shoot me though if you pull a gun on me. If not......

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    Weedline ●

  • Marshall Nole said...

    No I wouldn't want someone to know I am carrying. I want potential armed robbers reluctant to rob someone because they don't know if they are armed or not.

    When I walk up behind you and put my gun to the back of your head and tell you to give me your wallet.....then what? You going to spin around all matirx style and shoot me? Or, are you going to cry about your loved ones and hand me the wallet? Yep. There's nothing you can do about it unless the guy is a total idiot. You are not going to prevent him from robbing you. What you will do is increase your chances of shooting someone you do not intend to like yourself. Ask Zimmerman how it worked out for him when some guy attacked him and he used his gun. He's going to jail.

    This post was edited by Weedline on 12/19/2012 at 6:13 PM

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  • Weedline said...

    I'm glad some of you carry guns. It keeps people like me from kicking your coward ass when you bump into me. You better shoot me though if you pull a gun on me. If not......

    Dumbass

    ROLL TIDE!

    rollingtide2004 ●

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