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Full gun ban will never ever happen ever. Owning a firearm is a constitutional amendment which is damn mear inpossible to change. Requires a 2/3's vote in both the house and the senate just to be proposed and then 3/4 of state legislatures must approve it. No way enough representatives would approve suggesting the amendment yet alone 38 states approving it.
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It's technically ONLY a constitutional amendment due to the 1939 case with Miller. You HAVE to be part of a citizen militia to own one. Why this hasn't been upheld is a greater mystery than the Bermuda Triangle or the building of the pyramid of giza.
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Regardless of why it is an amendment it is still an amendment. It isn't upheld because there is no need for a militia now, we have a national army/navy/Air Force.. Jmo in the latter statement
The whole amendment is completely debatable and really obscure and I'm definitely not smart enough to decipher, so it is what it is. I still say ban the handguns and automatics, otherwise, why can't I own a tank???
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The whole amendment is completely debatable and really obscure and I'm definitely not smart enough to decipher, so it is what it is. I still say ban the handguns and automatics, otherwise, why can't I own a tank???
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This isn't rocket science man, you don't have to be smart to decipher it. It is simple and straight forward.
And for people saying ban just semi-autos, and handguns. LOL, if you let someone keep a shotgun and ban those then they would just modify the choke(not that most of you know what it is anyway) and would do more damage with no. 1 buckshot in small class rooms than any automatic rifle could do.
Some of you should really stick to other political issues, and because this is one you just do not know remotely enough about.
Btw, only the first part was directed at you Gomez
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amrollZ71 said...
This isn't rocket science man, you don't have to be smart to decipher it. It is simple and straight forward.
And for people saying ban just semi-autos, and handguns. LOL, if you let someone keep a shotgun and ban those then they would just modify the choke(not that most of you know what it is anyway) and would do more damage with no. 1 buckshot in small class rooms than any automatic rifle could do.
Some of you should really stick to other political issues, and because this is one you just do not know remotely enough about.
Btw, only the first part was directed at you Gomez
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The amendment is actually very vague. It's about right to bear arms as long as you're part of a citizen militia. So what does that mean? The NRA? A gun club? A hunting club? I'm really not sure to be honest with you. I think its intent is that you can arm yourself if the government (never gonna happen) tries to imprison or take action upon the people so that they're held back from free will.
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This isn't rocket science man, you don't have to be smart to decipher it. It is simple and straight forward.
And for people saying ban just semi-autos, and handguns. LOL, if you let someone keep a shotgun and ban those then they would just modify the choke(not that most of you know what it is anyway) and would do more damage with no. 1 buckshot in small class rooms than any automatic rifle could do.
Some of you should really stick to other political issues, and because this is one you just do not know remotely enough about.
Btw, only the first part was directed at you Gomez
A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones
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Again the purpose of a law isn't to completely stop a crime from occuring, that's just unreasonable. BTW how would they know to modify the choke if most people on here would know what a choke was? And if that would do more damage than an assault rifle why don't more people use modified shotguns in mass murders(Shotgun is 4th behind Handguns, Assault Rifles and revolvers)?
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The amendment is not very vague. That point is absolutely not debatable to anyone without an agenda. This point is clearly black and white, there is no grey area.
Citizens of the states were called to form the state militia's, they weren't able to have them as long as they were members of a club,they had them because that right was given to them in the second amendment. The first time the US Army was used and not solely the State Militia's was the Civil War,and we still have that to protect our RIGHTS.
The bottom line is this, no matter what law is passed I know I personally would not give up ANY weapon of mine. When you are talking about tearing down rights it is life and death to some of us. To give the devil and inch is to give him a mile.
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This isn't rocket science man, you don't have to be smart to decipher it. It is simple and straight forward.
And for people saying ban just semi-autos, and handguns. LOL, if you let someone keep a shotgun and ban those then they would just modify the choke(not that most of you know what it is anyway) and would do more damage with no. 1 buckshot in small class rooms than any automatic rifle could do.
Some of you should really stick to other political issues, and because this is one you just do not know remotely enough about.
Btw, only the first part was directed at you Gomez
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Before I even begin to answer your question, do you REALLY want me to tell you how it would be more deadly in a mass murder? Think about that before you answer.
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The point is that most people wouldn't think/know how to do that. And it is not like they couldn't do it now.
Just give me a valid practical use for hand guns, semis and extended clips that could not be accomplished with rifles or shotguns and we can let this go.
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I wasn't asking about that i was saying it as more of a.... assuming you're right about it being more deadly, why are shotguns used so much less.... now that we're through that I'd love to see your response
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Then PLEASE PLEASE, inform me oh enlightened one on how the amendment is vague. Anyone who knows a little of the early history of the US, or honestly those who can read in general know that is is anything but vague.
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The point is that most people wouldn't think/know how to do that. And it is not like they couldn't do it now.
Just give me a valid practical use for hand guns, semis and extended clips that could not be accomplished with rifles or shotguns and we can let this go.
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I am not disagreeing with you about the way the second amendment is interpreted today, that doesn't me the amendment isn't vague.
Vague- Of uncertain, indefinite, or unclear character or meaning: "patients with vague symptoms".
Amendment II As passed by the Congress: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state- Is it stating that there must be a Militia and people have the right to bear arms? Or that if a militia is required, then people have the right to bear arms? If the free state is in no danger, is the militia necessary to its security? What id other states need security? Do you need to be in the militia to bear arms? What do they mean by bear arms? Just handguns? What about Machine Guns? Coach Gomez wants a tank!? What if we have a national army instead of a militia? What if you live in DC (not a state)?
While some of those questions are stupid, most of them are legit questions that you or me can't answer because we weren't at the constitutional convention. Again i am not disagreeing with peoples right to bear arms in this post, just saying that the amendment is written vaguely.
added a little humor at the end
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Because it is my right to own and use them; It is simple as that. In the same line of thought I believe there is no valid reason for homosexuals to have any right to get married,yet there are people screaming the following: "Who are you to prevent them form doing something with their own lives, blah blah blah."
If I own a gun it absolutely affects no one else, my ownership of that gun does nothing to anyone. Now some crazy person plotting to kill an entire school of children having that gun does have a negative affect, however the gun did not do it, he did.
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azvalleybuckeye said...
Put it in terms they can understand.
If Jerry Sandusky likes men, and does so with consenting adults it is fine, right? Now, if Uncle Jerry rapes little boys, it is not so fine.. See?
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Name one practical use for handguns/assault rifles that cannot be accomplished with shotguns/rifles: Because it's my right to own them....
That's actually not an answer....
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