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Best coaches of all time without a National Championship.....

  • Undoubtedly, number one has to be Bo Schembechler, IMO.

    After that, I have these three in no order:

    Hayden Fry
    Frank Beamer
    Don Nehlen

    Who else do you have?

    BetterOff

  • Bo by a long shot. cry

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  • Bill Snyder
    Barry Alvarez

    WingedHelmet

  • mriderblue12 said...

    Bo by a long shot. cry

    If I'm being fair, I have to agree on this one.

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    Bill Snyder Barry Alvarez

    Bill Snyder is another very good call.

    Alvarez as well, but I wouldn't quite put him in the same level.

    BetterOff

  • Bo for 24

    BO NEVER WON A NATIONAL TITLE
    BO NEVER WON A NATIONAL TITLE
    24 YEARS OF SHAME
    NEVER WON THE GAME

    HIS WOLVERINES WERE ALWAYS LOSERS
    HIS WOLVERINES WERE ALWAYS LOSERS
    THEY WOULD ALWAYS CHOKE
    DREAMS GONE UP IN SMOKE

    ONE FOR 24
    TWO FOR 24
    THREE FOR 24
    FOUR FOR 24
    FIVE FOR 24
    SIX FOR 24
    SEVEN FOR 24
    EIGHT FOR 24
    NINE FOR 24
    TEN FOR 24
    ELEVEN FOR 24
    TWELVE FOR 24
    THIRTEEN 24
    FOURTEEN 24
    FIFTEEN 24
    SIXTEEN 24
    SEVENTEEN 24
    EIGHTEEN 24
    NINTEEN 24
    TWENTY 24
    TWENTY ONE 24
    TWENTY TWO 24
    TWENTY THREE 24
    BO FOR 24

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  • Mark Richt is in top 10

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  • Yet he still handed it to Woody during the 10 years war. goblue

    Wish Bo was still around, his influence on kids even now can't be overstated. Just would be a great guy to have around the team and program.

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  • SEC-wise

    Johnny Majors
    Johnny Vaught
    Pat Dye
    Mark Richt
    Gerry Dinardo

    This post was edited by Big A on 4/25/2012 at 9:58 AM

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  • BetterOff said...

    Bill Snyder is another very good call.

    Alvarez as well, but I wouldn't quite put him in the same level.

    Alvarez took a Wisconsin program that was nonexistent and turned it into a B10 contender. He made it to 3 Rose Bowls in 16 years (and won all three) during a time period when UM and OSU were otherwise dominant in the B10. If he coached at a better school or in the ACC or Big East, he would have a record comparable to Beamer's. In fact, he stepped down from the HC job right when he had built things up and firing on all cylinders. He easily could have coached another 10 years and might have come closer to winning a title if he had. He is the only coach in the B10 with a winning record against Tressel (3-1). I wouldn't put him on the same level as Bo, but definitely would put him in with the others. IMO not hiring Barry Alvarez when Lou Holtz retired is one of the biggest mistakes ND has made in the past 20 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Alvarez

    This post was edited by WingedHelmet on 4/25/2012 at 10:05 AM

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  • Surpriseed i haven't seen Bill O'Brien mentioned yetcoffee

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  • Big A said...

    SEC-wise

    Johnny Majors Johnny Vaught Pat Dye Mark Richt Gerry Dinardo

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  • Golden Domer 25

  • Dabo...He'll be ineligible for this list next year, of course.

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  • WingedHelmet said...

    Alvarez took a Wisconsin program that was nonexistent and turned it into a B10 contender. He made it to 3 Rose Bowls in 16 years (and won all three) during a time period when UM and OSU were otherwise dominant in the B10. If he coached at a better school or in the ACC or Big East, he would have a record comparable to Beamer's. In fact, he stepped down from the HC job right when he had built things up and firing on all cylinders. He easily could have coached another 10 years and might have come closer to winning a title if he had. He is the only coach in the B10 with a winning record against Tressel (3-1). I wouldn't put him on the same level as Bo, but definitely would put him in with the others. IMO not hiring Barry Alvarez when Lou Holtz retired is one of the biggest mistakes ND has made in the past 20 years.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Alvarez

    That could be very true. Very good coach indeed.

    Notre Dame has made a ton of coaching mistakes, IMO, including the last one.

    BetterOff

  • No one has mentioned John Cooper. Also, not sure what the criteria is for making the list, but no mention of Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson either. ???

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WingedHelmet on 4/25/2012 at 10:19 AM

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  • BetterOff said...

    That could be very true. Very good coach indeed.

    Notre Dame has made a ton of coaching mistakes, IMO, including the last one.

    Agreed, they need to stop going for the "sexy" pick and get a guy who wants that job for the right reasons.

    Kelly seems like a self serving jackhole, he didn't care about ND, just thought they were a good platform for increasing his reputation and profile as a Coach.

    They need a blue collar guy, who gets and loves ND, and is willing to put in the work to bring them back.

    The right hire is quite often an unattractive one at the time. Tressel, Carroll and hopefully Hoke. Guys who brought a proud program back to great heights because they genuinely cared and went to work without their egos getting in the way.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    Agreed, they need to stop going for the "sexy" pick and get a guy who wants that job for the right reasons.

    Kelly seems like a self serving jackhole, he didn't care about ND, just thought they were a good platform for increasing his reputation and profile as a Coach.

    They need a blue collar guy, who gets and loves ND, and is willing to put in the work to bring them back.

    The right hire is quite often an unattractive one at the time. Tressel, Carroll and hopefully Hoke. Guys who brought a proud program back to great heights because they genuinely cared and went to work without their egos getting in the way.

    A bigger problem could be a lack of interest in the job as well.

    When you looked at a USC, Alabama, or Texas that have had some down years before being brought back to the heights of success, you could always point to a solid recruiting base.

    That isn't the case for Notre Dame. They have to hit on so many guys nationally because they just aren't there in the midwest, and the ones that are have grown up now with the B1G being bigger than Notre Dame instead of the other way around.

    It is beginning to be a job in which I am not sure the administration has what it takes to make winning a priority anymore. If they want to sit back on their history and be pround of that, I am OK with that. There is a lot of rich tradition at the service academies as well and I enjoy that aspect of things as well, but if they want to compete like they used to, they need to decide what their priorities are really going to be and go with it. You have to change with the times, or you get left behind.

    BetterOff

  • BetterOff said...

    Undoubtedly, number one has to be Bo Schembechler, IMO.

    After that, I have these three in no order:

    Hayden Fry Frank Beamer Don Nehlen

    Who else do you have?

    Among active coaches, Beamer and Snyder are #1 and #2. Mark Richt is probably up there.

    In this day and age though, not many BCS conf. coaches last 10+ years anymore.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • Eddie Robinson (unless we are only considering FBS coaches)

    WingedHelmet

  • WingedHelmet said...

    Eddie Robinson (unless we are only considering FBS coaches)

    He won a few Black college championships, so he does not count.

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  • ilovelamp51 said...

    Butch Davis

    Too shady to differentiate between his actual coaching prowess and illicit activity.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • Bill Walsh

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    Looks like another perfect day.

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  • Under Review said...

    Bill Walsh

    Well he does have several Super Bowls, so I am sure a college championship did not matter to him.

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  • Does USCw have any BCS title hardware from when Pete Carroll was coach?

    xxmgobluexx ●

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