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Bielema Can Win At Arkansas

  • http://247sports.com/Article/Bret-Bielema-Has-What-It-Takes-To-Win-At-Arkansas-105115

    Arkansas is getting one of the nation's top evaluators and developers of talent in former Wisconsin head coach Bret Bielema, who will be tested in his new SEC gig.

    Steve Wiltfong National Recruiting Analyst 247sports.com http://twitter.com/SWiltfong247 http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=50063

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  • Couldn't disagree more.

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    devidee ●

  • devidee said...

    Couldn't disagree more.

    Well let's see your report why you would disagree!

    hawksdad75

  • Think he'll have them above Miss State but not a threat at all to LSU/Bama.

    Wisconsin has been the biggest benefactor of the struggles at OSU/PSU/UM, 2010 is his only coaching job that impressed me and they lost to TCU.

    This is a hire that keeps Arkansas respectable but I'd be surprised if they make a bcs bowl any time soon.

    verminator45

  • Bert feasted on the worst teams in a bad conference.

    Alvarez built the Wisconsin program, not Bert. They had won Rose Bowls before Bert got the job.

    I'd argue Wisconsin declined under Bert's watch.

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    devidee ●

  • From a recruiting standpoint, Wisconsin and Arkansas are very similar. It's the same plan. Get the few guys that are in your state, go evaluate wherever you can, develop the you know what out of them and be opportunistic with transfers. Also, at Arkansas, they can take junior college players. I am not sure if Wisconsin ever did.

    I agree that Barry Alvarez built that program. But if the argument is that Wisconsin took advantage of better programs being down, then that's ok because at Arkansas, you are going to have to take advantage of that year LSU is down or Alabama is down unless one or both of those programs head back to the wilderness (LSU during part of the 1980s and 1990s and Alabama under DuBose, somewhat with Fran and then Shula).

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  • Anyone who says Bert took them to 3 straight Rose Bowls is a fool. That "fact" is a complete sham.

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    devidee ●

  • I just don't understand this at all. Seems like a lateral move, or even a step down. Wisconsin has been in the Rose Bowl for the last 3 years.

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  • Dutch2 said...

    I just don't understand this at all. Seems like a lateral move, or even a step down. Wisconsin has been in the Rose Bowl for the last 3 years.

    He wants to coach in the SEC. I don't blame him

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  • Weedline said...

    He wants to coach in the SEC. I don't blame him

    It must be an ego thing.

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  • He'll be the head coach at Iowa in 4 years or less. I said it here first.

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  • cuznchips28 said...

    He'll be the head coach at Iowa in 4 years or less. I said it here first.

    Definitely could see that happening. Although, I think Ferentz is locked in long term with an insane buyout.

    This post was edited by devidee on 12/5/2012 at 8:09 AM

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  • devidee said...

    Definitely could see that happening. Although, I think Ferentz is locked in long term with an insane buyout.

    In 3 or 4 years will be able to buy him out

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    From a recruiting standpoint, Wisconsin and Arkansas are very similar. It's the same plan. Get the few guys that are in your state, go evaluate wherever you can, develop the you know what out of them and be opportunistic with transfers. Also, at Arkansas, they can take junior college players. I am not sure if Wisconsin ever did.

    I agree that Barry Alvarez built that program. But if the argument is that Wisconsin took advantage of better programs being down, then that's ok because at Arkansas, you are going to have to take advantage of that year LSU is down or Alabama is down unless one or both of those programs head back to the wilderness (LSU during part of the 1980s and 1990s and Alabama under DuBose, somewhat with Fran and then Shula).

    He hated the SEC and their recruiting methods " We operate differently in the Big Ten" Jealous of Urban Myer. Never developed a Qback. Last two were picked up in their last year from elsewhere. Players at Iowa did not like him.

    lumenator

  • Just look up what Alvarez did during his time at Wisconsin and compare that to what Bert did.

    Wisconsin got worse under Bert.

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  • lumenator said...

    He hated the SEC and their recruiting methods " We operate differently in the Big Ten" Jealous of Urban Myer. Never developed a Qback. Last two were picked up in their last year from elsewhere. Players at Iowa did not like him.

    I am not debating any of that. I am just saying that from a recruiting/roster building standpoint, Arkansas is similar to Wisconsin. He won at Wisconsin. All of the other opinion and rumor stuff (are you an Iowa player that did not like him, did you take a poll? No, it's a rumor) is for you guys to discuss.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    I am not debating any of that. I am just saying that from a recruiting/roster building standpoint, Arkansas is similar to Wisconsin. He won at Wisconsin. All of the other opinion and rumor stuff (are you an Iowa player that did not like him, did you take a poll? No, it's a rumor) is for you guys to discuss.

    What did he win?

    3 B1G titles but look at the years: '10, '11 and '12. 2010 is the only legit title (and that's during the RichRod era).

    He never won a Rose Bowl and was 2-4 overall in bowl games.

    Compare that to the program he inherited. 3 Rose Bowl victories and 8-3 overall in bowl games. 3 B1G titles during the time when the B1G was a much stronger conference.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by devidee on 12/5/2012 at 12:43 PM

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  • Bielema was 16-18 against Big Ten teams not named the Gophers, Boilers, Illini, or Hoosiers.

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  • devidee said...

    Bielema was 16-18 against Big Ten teams not named the Gophers, Boilers, Illini, or Hoosiers.

    I mean...isn't that what Arkansas is looking for??

    They will never go toe-to-toe talent wise with the big dogs (Bama, UF, UGA, LSU), they just need to pounce when the down years come for the other big schools.

    It seems like that's exactly what Bielema is good at...I think he has proven that the last 3 years

    If he beats up on the pansies and goes .500 against the big schools, at Arkansas, isn't that a really good job?

    This post was edited by ifinnen on 12/5/2012 at 10:25 AM

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  • ifinnen said...

    I mean...isn't that what Arkansas is looking for??

    They will never go toe-to-toe talent wise with the big dogs (Bama, UF, UGA, LSU), they just need to pounce when the down years come for the other big schools.

    It seems like that's exactly what Bielema is good at...I think he has proven that the last 3 years

    Huge downgrade from Petrino, imo.

    I see no way Bert competes in the SEC West. Bielema had Russell Wilson as his QB and lost to an Ohio State team coached by Luke Fickell that ended up 6-7.

    He simply is not a good coach.

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    devidee ●

  • This move doesn't make sense for a lot of reasons. It's a major demotion for Bielema. He's going from a good BCS school to a mid major program at the bottom of its conference. To those saying he wants to play with the big boys in the SEC, you couldn't be any more dense and out of touch with reality. The fact is that Bielema had an offseason situation where 6 of his coaches left the team. He also fired his offensive line coach midseason. He's had back to back Rose Bowl losses and prior to that, couldn't get it done in the postseason in mid-major bowls. The ongoing rumor is that he's not easy to get along with either. My guess is that people in Madison don't like him too much. Couple that with a mediocre 8-5 season and the writing on the wall with Ohio State making him their bitch, on the field and off (especially with recruiting practices), and it's no surprise that he's ready to give himself a fresh start while keeping his image intact for being a "high profile" head coach before Ohio State and M*chigan regain their glory (afterall, three straight Rose Bowl appearances look impressive, as do 3 straight Big Ten titles, even if they come with the asterisk *during down years for both Ohio State and M^chigan*. My guess is that Bret rides his reputation into Fayetteville with high hopes, gets his ass stomped in both recruiting and on game day, which will get delusional SEC homers saying "Even the 'best' Big Ten coach can't hang in the SEC". If he's successful, you'll beat your chests and say "We can take any Big Ten coach we want because we're the SEC." Regardless of what happens, nobody in our conference liked Bret Bielema. We're happy to see him go. He was a douche bag in every essence of the word. He fits right in with your conference.

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    buckeye_mikey69 ●

  • Arkansas is paying Bert 3.2 million a year. 3.2 million.

    Jesus, they have to be the dumbest people on the planet.

    Bert flat out stealing money.

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    devidee ●

  • Just saw dude's buyout. If he is fired in the first 3 years he gets just under 13 mil. Fired after the 4th year he gets just under 10 mil. Guy isn't going anywhere. I also think his Florida recruiting is being overblown. He gets the guys that FSU, UF, Miami, Bama, LSU and UGA pass on. Going to be hard to be better than 3rd or 4th in his own division like that. I also think the defenses he was running straight at at Wisky were a bit weaker than what he is going to face now. Going to be very hard to be so run heavy without a ton of talent in the SEC.

    I also don't thin the Hawgs expect to be constantly an also ran in the SEC. Nobody in the SEC expects to be an also ran except Kentucky and Vandy. Even Ole Miss and MSU are quick on the trigger when they suck. I think Arky made a mistake and their fans will be pissed in 3 years.

    osceolafan

  • devidee said...

    Bert feasted on the worst teams in a bad conference.

    Alvarez built the Wisconsin program, not Bert. They had won Rose Bowls before Bert got the job.

    I'd argue Wisconsin declined under Bert's watch.

    Bingo. Atrocious hire IMHO. He bitched about Urban's recruiting tactics after one year in the Big Ten. He's in for a rude awakening down south, and the talent in the state Arkansas is very meh.

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  • buckeye_mikey69 said...

    This move doesn't make sense for a lot of reasons. It's a major demotion for Bielema. He's going from a good BCS school to a mid major program at the bottom of its conference. To those saying he wants to play with the big boys in the SEC, you couldn't be any more dense and out of touch with reality. The fact is that Bielema had an offseason situation where 6 of his coaches left the team. He also fired his offensive line coach midseason. He's had back to back Rose Bowl losses and prior to that, couldn't get it done in the postseason in mid-major bowls. The ongoing rumor is that he's not easy to get along with either. My guess is that people in Madison don't like him too much. Couple that with a mediocre 8-5 season and the writing on the wall with Ohio State making him their bitch, on the field and off (especially with recruiting practices), and it's no surprise that he's ready to give himself a fresh start while keeping his image intact for being a "high profile" head coach before Ohio State and M*chigan regain their glory (afterall, three straight Rose Bowl appearances look impressive, as do 3 straight Big Ten titles, even if they come with the asterisk *during down years for both Ohio State and M^chigan*. My guess is that Bret rides his reputation into Fayetteville with high hopes, gets his ass stomped in both recruiting and on game day, which will get delusional SEC homers saying "Even the 'best' Big Ten coach can't hang in the SEC". If he's successful, you'll beat your chests and say "We can take any Big Ten coach we want because we're the SEC." Regardless of what happens, nobody in our conference liked Bret Bielema. We're happy to see him go. He was a douche bag in every essence of the word. He fits right in with your conference.

    I rarely agree with you but well said.

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