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Big 10 Roundtable: Spring Edition #4 - Passing Defense

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    Moderator/host: Steve Wiltfong

    This is meant to be a civil, informative discussion about how your team looks so far this spring. We'll start off with a position by position look at the teams in the spring, starting on offense.

    If you're not a fan of the Big Ten and flame this thread, your post will be deleted immediately. This RoundTable was created so Big Ten fans could learn more about each program outside of their own favorite school.

    Third topic: Last week we talked about the rushing offenses, and the time before that it was the passing game. Now it's time to shift over to defense.

    Since we just discussed rushing defense, so let's put a conclusion on the O/D topics with a discussion on pass defense. This includes the pass rush and the back-7.

    How as your pass yardage and passing efficiency D last year? What needs to happen for you to improve on those #s this year? How many back 7 starters return? Who has stepped up to replace those departed starters this spring? Any cause for concern thus far?

    Here's a link to the QB/WR discussion: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-1-Spring-Edition--8787987/1

    Here's the OL/running game: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-2-Rushing-Offenses-8926246/1

    Front 7/run defense: http://247sports.com/Board/30/Big-10-Roundtable-Spring-Edition-3-Front-7s-9051479

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • I'll get mine this afternoon. Not making the mistake of doing 3 things at once this time.

    dustelli

  • For Michigan State, the Spartans finished 11th nationally in pass D (176.93 YPG) and 18th in passing eff. D (113.27 rating, 53.87% completion allowed, 20 TDs, 18 INTs). Those #s were the result of completely shutting down poor passing offenses and facing multiple first year starting QBs. In fact, the Big 10 as a whole had outstanding pass D #s, though the passing offenses were not very good. In short, it seemed that the Spartan passing defense feasted on weak opponents, inflating their overall efficiency (as did most of the pass D's in the conference):

    Wisconsin's Russell Wilson, for instance, accounted for 5 of the 20 TDs thrown against Michigan State in 2011 (and 2 INTs), while completing 68% of his total passes. At the same time, credit has to be given for not allowing sub-par passers to have even half-way decent games against the Spartans.

    Last season, the back-7 featured 1 SR (FS Trenton Robinson), 2 JRs (WILL LB Chris Norman, CB Johnny Adams) and 4 Sophomores (MIKE LB Max Bullough, SAM LB Denicos Allen, CB Darqueze Dennard and SS Isaiah Lewis). That group consisted of 2 first team All B1G performers in Adams (coaches) and Robinson (media), 3 2nd team members (Bullough and Lewis - Coaches, Allen - Media) and 2 Hon. Mention players (Dennard and Norman).

    This season, all but Robinson returns, making this group arguably the most decorated returning unit in the conference. Both of the Hon. Mention players missed at least 2 regular season games with injury and had great bowl games: Dennard had 2 INTs (including a Pick-6) against Georgia, and Norman had 5 tackles, 1.5 TFL and a FF. Robinson's replacement looks to be Kurtis Drummond (RS Soph, 6'1 200), who played the nickel back position last year (17 tackles, 2 INTs, 1 sack, 1 FF), though Drummond is being pushed by RS FR RJ Williamson (6'0 200).

    All in all the Spartan pass defense should be solid at worst. With just 1 man to replace, the continuity is about as good as it can get, and all of the returning starters were at least above-average a year ago.

    Adams and Dennard (when healthy) form a solid man-to-man CB duo, and Lewis is a headhunter with a pair of pick 6's to his name. The linebackers need to do more in pass coverage; there was only 1 INT and 7 PBUs between them. Given the overall youth last year (all 4 sophs were 1st year starters), MSU should once again have one of the better pass defenses in the conference.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Wisconsin

    Some how last year we finished #2 in conference games for pass defense averaging about 130 yds per game and only 6 TD's. The problem is that most of those 6 were real big ones(2 @ MSU,OSU,etc). Also #1 in efficiency. I refuse to believe we were that successful. We lost our #1 rush end for the year and what some would have argued was our best DB. Although Fenelus stepped up to make that a bad argument. The bottom line is that we had no pressure on the QB and I am not sure how we survived that. If you look at the B1G sack leaders last year you won't find a Wisconsin guy in the top 20-25. Some of that due to injury as stated earlier, but also moving Borland to Mike LB took away his pressure off the edge. Of course i don't have to mention JJ Watt leaving a year early. I think what did save us was an opportunistic defense. Between Fenelus, Henry, and Johnson there were 9 int's in conference play. Regardless of what the statistics show I would have given our passing defense somewhere around a B- last year. We played our safeties not to give up the big play and allowed teams to nickel and dime us all day. There were several times where the underneath stuff went for big plays. At big moments we had some blown assignments and we don't have the type of athletes back there to make up for that.

    Bottom line is that for us to improve or at least make those statistics more legitimate we need a pass rush. I know we are focusing on the back 7, but I just don't think we have the talent in the back 4 that can win without pressure on the QB. If there is one position that we seem to have the hardest time recruiting difference makers I would say DB. Yeah QB has it's moments and so does DT, but overall it seems we always have holes back there. The contrast is that we are so deep at LB they are not as exposed as they should be. Having Gilbert back and hopefully the developing of some of the young guns at DE (which is slowly turning into a position of strength) should increase the pressure on the QB.

    LB - we return 2 of the 3 starters in Borland and Taylor, but Armstrong started 2 games last year and logged a bunch of snaps. Many think that Connor O'Neil starts the season with an advantage of playing some last year. As of right now AJ Fenton is really impressing the coaches. The young guys Landisch and Watt are making play after play and wouldn't be surprised when Vince Beigel hits campus he has something to say if he doesn't RS. We have two All-conference guys coming back and can fill the 3rd from a pool that we may have stocked better than any other position on the team. I expect very big things from this unit. Not only good, but quicker and more athletic than we have ever been as a unit. They can do more in the pass defense assuming they aren't relied on too much for pressure.

    DB- You look at it a couple of different ways. First we lost Antonio Fenelus who ended up being our best corner, but we get back Devin Smith who I thought coming into last season was better than Fenelus. Then again i didn't have a high opinion of Fenelus. When Smith went down Marcus Cromartie stepped in and did a fair job. He showed some flashes, but also made some big mistakes. One thing I liked about him at first was that he was a hard hitter, but seemed to back off that while getting dinged throughout the season. You would assume that a healthy Smith and Cromartie would start the season on top, but redshirt So Peniel Jean may push one of them as the season goes on. He played in all the games last year and could be a star in the making. As much as I am down on our CB's I think we have recruited better in the last couple of years. The problem they are all diamonds in the rough waiting to be polished. None of them are sure fire difference makers. The young threesome of Darius Hillary, Devin Gaulden, and Terrence Floyd have been talked up from time to time and mostly interchangeable at this point. I look for one of these guys to push for time and I would think Hillary would be the first to do so. The guy I am really excited about is Hugs Etienne, the incoming freshman from Florida. He was an early enrollee, but did suffer an injury in spring practice. It will be interesting to see if they redshirt him. One thought is that there is enough depth ahead of him where he wouldn't get the minutes, but I think his upside will show through. Either way this unit scares me as it always does. It is such a developmental area for us and we seem to take on so many injuries here. Without knowing their level of development until they hit the field it is always an unknown.

    Safety- - We lose Aaron Henry, which is bigger from a leadership standpoint than production. Never felt he recovered from his knee issues, but the kid was a leader from day one. We should hire him as a GA as soon as he doesn't stick in the league. His replacement will most likely be Dezmen Southward with Shelton Johnson coming back in the other spot. Southward was a freak athlete type that we picked up after he only played football his senior year. He has had plenty of playing time and started 3 games last year. His upside is through the roof, but that is based on his athleticism at this point. This may be the year where he puts it all together. Shelton Johnson should be consistent, but both need to get better at angles. Southward is one of the few back there who can recover during a play. The two backups will most likely be Michael Trotter and Michael Caputo. There were highly touted coming and could very well mean a bright future at the position. I would not be surprised to see either one push the guy in front of him early in the season. Both are more none for making hits than coverage skills. The incoming freshman DJ Singleton is the one to watch out for when he hits campus. One of our more underrated recruits last year IMO. He seems to have everything that we have been lacking back there. We don't have a ton of quality depth so I would be surprised to see him RS. He comes in physically mature enough to play right away.

    Overall I am always concerned about certain parts of the defense. Mostly always the back 4. They may be adequate, but like i said earlier they need a pass rush. Overall I think our Pass Defense will be better than last year with the improvements up front and the talent we have at LB. We just need to hold our breath until the back 4 hits the field. I would be happy to be wrong about them. We have one of the later spring games so we should get more of a picture there.

    dustelli

  • SpartanRocky said...

    For Michigan State, the Spartans finished 11th nationally in pass D (176.93 YPG) and 18th in passing eff. D (113.27 rating, 53.87% completion allowed, 20 TDs, 18 INTs). Those #s were the result of completely shutting down poor passing offenses and facing multiple first year starting QBs. In fact, the Big 10 as a whole had outstanding pass D #s, though the passing offenses were not very good. In short, it seemed that the Spartan passing defense feasted on weak opponents, inflating their overall efficiency (as did most of the pass D's in the conference):

    Wisconsin's Russell Wilson, for instance, accounted for 5 of the 20 TDs thrown against Michigan State in 2011 (and 2 INTs), while completing 68% of his total passes. At the same time, credit has to be given for not allowing sub-par passers to have even half-way decent games against the Spartans.

    Last season, the back-7 featured 1 SR (FS Trenton Robinson), 2 JRs (WILL LB Chris Norman, CB Johnny Adams) and 4 Sophomores (MIKE LB Max Bullough, SAM LB Denicos Allen, CB Darqueze Dennard and SS Isaiah Lewis). That group consisted of 2 first team All B1G performers in Adams (coaches) and Robinson (media), 3 2nd team members (Bullough and Lewis - Coaches, Allen - Media) and 2 Hon. Mention players (Dennard and Norman).

    This season, all but Robinson returns, making this group arguably the most decorated returning unit in the conference. Both of the Hon. Mention players missed at least 2 regular season games with injury and had great bowl games: Dennard had 2 INTs (including a Pick-6) against Georgia, and Norman had 5 tackles, 1.5 TFL and a FF. Robinson's replacement looks to be Kurtis Drummond (RS Soph, 6'1 200), who played the nickel back position last year (17 tackles, 2 INTs, 1 sack, 1 FF), though Drummond is being pushed by RS FR RJ Williamson (6'0 200).

    All in all the Spartan pass defense should be solid at worst. With just 1 man to replace, the continuity is about as good as it can get, and all of the returning starters were at least above-average a year ago.

    Adams and Dennard (when healthy) form a solid man-to-man CB duo, and Lewis is a headhunter with a pair of pick 6's to his name. The linebackers need to do more in pass coverage; there was only 1 INT and 7 PBUs between them. Given the overall youth last year (all 4 sophs were 1st year starters), MSU should once again have one of the better pass defenses in the conference.

    short winded for you lol.

    What do you feel about your pass rush? Obviously have quite a bit coming back, but lose some of the force inside.

    Also how do you feel about some of the young guns coming on or already there from last year? i.e. someone like Thomas at LB. Still mad about D.Cox. Kind of player we really needed.

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    short winded for you lol.

    What do you feel about your pass rush? Obviously have quite a bit coming back, but lose some of the force inside.

    Also how do you feel about some of the young guns coming on or already there from last year? i.e. someone like Thomas at LB. Still mad about D.Cox. Kind of player we really needed.

    1. Edge pass rush should be better than the 9 sacks MSU got out of Gholston and Rush combined. Coaches are liking at least 3 of the DTs in White, Hoover and Kittredge; after than a couple of RS FR look good for depth, but probably no more than 15 snap/game type contributions. It'll be interesting to see how opposing OL handle Gholston this year; last year the double teams were to the inside, this year they'll be to the outside. Could mean more successful LB blitzes (Denicos Allen had 11 sacks last year).

    2. Talked about somewhat above, but one thing to note is that MSU brought back every single DE from 2011 this year . . . and both '11 back-up DEs were beat out by RS FR. Denzel Drone (SDE, 6'2 262) is now at TE; Gholston is being backed up by Joel Heath (6'6 277). At WDE, Rush's back-up Corey Freeman (6'3 250) was dinged up and has been passed by RS FR Shilique Calhoun (6'4/6'5 245). You'll see a lot of the RS FR on special teams, particularly the LBs. Thomas has been injured and is reportadly 280 pounds. I don't think he's playing LB anytime soon.

    Feel pretty good about the back-up DBs. The Drummond/Williamson battle should net MSU 1 solid starter at the FS position, and Isaiah Lewis' back-up at SS (Jairus Jones) nearly beat Lewis out for the spot last spring before tearing his ACL that spring (he actually rehabbed and was able to play the last 4-5 games of the year. At CB Mylan Hicks (5'11 200, RS Soph) had a back injury that kept him out of most of the games last season and forced him to play at S on the practice squad; his only game of regular season action was the bowl game. He's healthy and making a push to be the #3 CB. A pair of RS FR CBs, Trae Waynes (6'1 175) and Arjen Colquhoun (6'1 180) are looking like the next guys after Adams/Dennard leave.

    Unfortunately the guy who I think could be the next big-time CB at MSU is playing WR (Lippett). Lippett played pretty well last year as a RS FR at CB (18 tackles, 5 PBU) and at 6'2 195 had the potential to really be an impact player there. I was hoping that MSU's WR situation would be better sot hat LIppett could stay at CB . . . but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Our entire front seven had some mention of all-conference, and only one graduate. 3/4 of the line returns as well, including Big Will, along with Calhoun and Heath coming in to provide depth.

    Oh, and by the way the leading sack getter from 2010 (10 win season) returns from a year of injury. Also 5star super recruit LT comes into play.

    Ooooooooooo

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    Bailey1149

  • For Michigan;
    DE: Defensive Ends should be improved as 3(4?) Year Starter Craig Roh slides over to SDE, as opposed to WDE, to allow Frank Clark or Brennan Beyer, both Sophomores, to play at WDE. Clark and Beyer will be competing all year for the starting spot as Clark is more athletic, but Beyer has better technique and a better understanding of the D. DE's should be better, more experienced, and faster than last year.

    DT: Michigan will be replacing walk-on starter Will Heinenger with former WDE Jibreel Black which, IMO, is a step up as long as Black can put on 20+ pounds by fall. Black is a lightning quick player for a DT and should be fun to watch. However, the big question on Michigan's Defense is how they will replace NT Mike Martin. Obviously the replacement will be a fairly large step down in Will Campbell. Although Campbell has reportedly assumed the role as one of the team's leaders and is taking massive strides both on the field and in the weight room. My hope is that either Campbell finally lives up to his 5* billing due to 3 D-Line Coaches or that the improvement at the other 3 positions offsets Martin's loss.

    LB: Michigan's LB's will be greatly improved after returning all 3 starters and with some fresh meat in talented Freshman Joe Bolden. At SLB Michigan returns Jake Ryan, the athletic playmaker who should be improved if not physically, mentally. Backing him up will be former Safety abomination Cam Gordon who would have started last year if not for a back injury and Ryan's stellar play. At MLB Michigan returns Kenny Demens who will be starting for his 2nd and a half year. Challenging Demens for time is touted Freshman LB Joe Bolden. Bolden impressed the coaches during spring and looked solid during the Spring Game. And finally at WLB Michigan returns Desmond Morgan. Not the most athletic guy, Morgan, who is entering his Sophomore year, is a hard hitter and should improve in his 2nd season. Backing him up, and potentially challenging for the starting spot is Brandin Hawthorne, an athletic 5th year senior who played well in the spring game (Including a fantastic one handed interception) and 2 Freshman LB's; James Ross and Kaleb Ringer. Overall, Michigan's LB's will be a solid unit both in run support and in pass coverage. Compounding on to the fact that Michigan returns all 3 starters is the fact that Michigan enters its 2nd season in the same system, a first for everybody on the team.

    CB: Cornerback is confusing to me. At one spot will be Blake Countess who is entering his 2nd year and will be a very solid player. At the second spot returning starter JT Floyd, who ran with the 2's this spring, will challenge Courtney Avery, Terry Talbot, and Delonte Hollowell for playing time. The Cornerbacks, while a liability recently, return everybody worth returning and will also improve to be a solid unit.

    Safety: The best unit on Michigan's Defense. At SS will be 4 year starter Jordan Kovacs, who not too athletic is almost never out of position and is a sure tackler. At FS Michigan returns Thomas Gordon, an athletic playmaker who is entering his second year of starting. Backing them up will be Marvin Robinson, a hard hitting safety who struggles with keeping his assignments at times, and Freshman Jarrod Wilson who is great at pass coverage but needs to bulk up.

    As a whole Michigan's Defense should improve, especially seeing as how they return the entire back 7 and the only question mark on the team is, fortunately, the position which has 3 coaches who specialize with them. The Pass Defense especially should improve the most because for the first time in a while Michigan returns everybody and has a competent DB coach and DC.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    For Michigan; DE: Defensive Ends should be improved as 3(4?) Year Starter Craig Roh slides over to SDE, as opposed to WDE, to allow Frank Clark or Brennan Beyer, both Sophomores, to play at WDE. Clark and Beyer will be competing all year for the starting spot as Clark is more athletic, but Beyer has better technique and a better understanding of the D. DE's should be better, more experienced, and faster than last year.

    DT: Michigan will be replacing walk-on starter Will Heinenger with former WDE Jibreel Black which, IMO, is a step up as long as Black can put on 20+ pounds by fall. Black is a lightning quick player for a DT and should be fun to watch. However, the big question on Michigan's Defense is how they will replace NT Mike Martin. Obviously the replacement will be a fairly large step down in Will Campbell. Although Campbell has reportedly assumed the role as one of the team's leaders and is taking massive strides both on the field and in the weight room. My hope is that either Campbell finally lives up to his 5* billing due to 3 D-Line Coaches or that the improvement at the other 3 positions offsets Martin's loss.

    LB: Michigan's LB's will be greatly improved after returning all 3 starters and with some fresh meat in talented Freshman Joe Bolden. At SLB Michigan returns Jake Ryan, the athletic playmaker who should be improved if not physically, mentally. Backing him up will be former Safety abomination Cam Gordon who would have started last year if not for a back injury and Ryan's stellar play. At MLB Michigan returns Kenny Demens who will be starting for his 2nd and a half year. Challenging Demens for time is touted Freshman LB Joe Bolden. Bolden impressed the coaches during spring and looked solid during the Spring Game. And finally at WLB Michigan returns Desmond Morgan. Not the most athletic guy, Morgan, who is entering his Sophomore year, is a hard hitter and should improve in his 2nd season. Backing him up, and potentially challenging for the starting spot is Brandin Hawthorne, an athletic 5th year senior who played well in the spring game (Including a fantastic one handed interception) and 2 Freshman LB's; James Ross and Kaleb Ringer. Overall, Michigan's LB's will be a solid unit both in run support and in pass coverage. Compounding on to the fact that Michigan returns all 3 starters is the fact that Michigan enters its 2nd season in the same system, a first for everybody on the team.

    CB: Cornerback is confusing to me. At one spot will be Blake Countess who is entering his 2nd year and will be a very solid player. At the second spot returning starter JT Floyd, who ran with the 2's this spring, will challenge Courtney Avery, Terry Talbot, and Delonte Hollowell for playing time. The Cornerbacks, while a liability recently, return everybody worth returning and will also improve to be a solid unit.

    Safety: The best unit on Michigan's Defense. At SS will be 4 year starter Jordan Kovacs, who not too athletic is almost never out of position and is a sure tackler. At FS Michigan returns Thomas Gordon, an athletic playmaker who is entering his second year of starting. Backing them up will be Marvin Robinson, a hard hitting safety who struggles with keeping his assignments at times, and Freshman Jarrod Wilson who is great at pass coverage but needs to bulk up.

    As a whole Michigan's Defense should improve, especially seeing as how they return the entire back 7 and the only question mark on the team is, fortunately, the position which has 3 coaches who specialize with them. The Pass Defense especially should improve the most because for the first time in a while Michigan returns everybody and has a competent DB coach and DC.

    Good write-up, +1. I noticed a lot of true/RS FR in the 2-deeps in the back-7; good to see the young guys progressing well.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Good write-up, +1. I noticed a lot of true/RS FR in the 2-deeps in the back-7; good to see the young guys progressing well.

    Thanks, the FR and SO are going to be big contributors on Michigan's D this year, partly because Hoke is so much better at identifying, bringing in, and developing Defensive talent than RR was.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    Thanks, the FR and SO are going to be big contributors on Michigan's D this year, partly because Hoke is so much better at identifying, bringing in, and developing Defensive talent than RR was.

    That should pay dividends down the road; State is in a similar situation.

    I'd like to hear some about PSU's pass D; they had the best in the conf. last year statistically, but were lit up like a Christmas tree by Houston. BOB is known for his offensive development, so it'll be interesting to see if any changes are felt defensively.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Have we lost the crowd?

    dustelli

  • Mine is almost done.

    Edit: What boards received the link to this thread? I covered the Michigan board and that was it.

    This post was edited by xxmgobluexx on 4/24/2012 at 10:48 AM

    xxmgobluexx

  • would this be better served on the B10 board? won't get lost in the shuffle and would help to make sure the board doesn't die.

    dustelli

  • We covered the LBers last week, here is a cut and past from it.

    LBers

    SLB, Jake Ryan, 6'3" 230lbs, RS Soph. He had a great spring game in 2011 and was getting solid reviews but I don't think anybody expected him to produce what he did in his first year playing for Michigan. He had the most big plays last year for the LBer group. Can play unorthodox at times, but to this point, not to the detriment of the team. His stops vs ND and his 20 something yard tackle for loss vs VT will always stand out to me. Backup will be Cam Gordon. Former Safety that was moved to LBer last year, battled some injuries and issues playing so close to the line but has pushed Ryan for the starting spot according to some. I will believe it when I see it.

    MLB, Kenny Demens, 6'1" 245lbs, RS Senior. He took over for Obi Ezeh in the last half of the 2010, much to the relief of many Michigan fans, and has been solid ever since. He doesn't do anything flashy, but if he gets his hands on you, you are going down. Led the team in tackles last fall. Backups, Joe Bolden, 6'3" 230 lbs, Freshman, High 4* out of Ohio, early enrollee for this spring. He passed Mike Jones for the #2 spot this spring, and I expect him to be a 3 year starter at MLB, if he stays all 4 years.

    WLB, Desmond Morgan, 6'1" 220 lbs, Soph. He had buzz in fall practice last year from the BTN guys and most Michigan fans laughed it off since he was a low 3* recruit that many thought was going to play FB. He took over the starter spot halfway through the season and never let it go. He can lay the lumber, but lacks some of the athleticism that is desired at that position. I would like to say he is a going to be a 4 year starter, but there is a ton of athletic LBers coming in on his heels, we will see if his football IQ keeps them off the field. Backups, Antonio Poole, 6'2" 212lbs, RS Fresh, 4* out of Ohio. He came in on the first team when Morgan tweaked his knee in the spring game. Looks to be undersized, and didn't have any moments that stood out during the spring game. Brandin Hawthorne, 6' 214lbs, RS Senior. Looked solid in the spring game, plugging the hole for a TFL a couple of times, including on a goal line stand, and having an INT. Has battled injuries which has forced him to miss valuable time with the coaches last fall and this spring. After the spring game there are quite a few Michigan fans hoping he over takes Morgan.

    Other true freshmen of note, Kaleb Ringer, 6'1" 225lbs, 3* out of Ohio, early enrollee. Looks the part, better size than I expected. Did ok in the spring game, missed his assignment on Rawls first TD run leading to another early enrollee freshman safety, Jarrod Wilson, having to come up and try to make a play. The other 2 freshmen coming in this fall are James Ross, 6'1" 215lbs, and Royce Jenkins-Stone, 6'2" 225 lbs. Both are highly touted 4* recruits out of Michigan. I would like to see 3 of the 4 freshmen RS this year, we will see how that goes.

    I will add to that, when Michigan went to the nickel last year, Jake Ryan moved to DE, Van Bergen slid inside and Heinenger went to the sideline. Morgan and Demens stayed on the field with CB Courtney Avery coming in to play the nickel.

    LCB: JT Floyd, 6', 185lb, RS Senior. Solid in run support, and ok in coverage. He had 48 tackles, down from 66 the previous year (that is a good thing with the improved front 7), 8 PBU, 1 FF, and 2 INTs. There was talk of him being pushed this spring by some of the younger guys, but I think the coaches know what they have in Floyd and were getting a better look at younger players. Floyd started the spring game and I expect him to start all the games Michigan plays this fall. Not the most gifted athlete, but a solid veteran leader.

    RCB: Blake Countess, 5'10, 176lb, True Sophomore, consensus 4* out of Good Counsel, Maryland. Showed a willingness to come up in run support, and while not a shut down corner, he has the potential. Countess took over the starting CB just over half way through the season, starting the last 6 games, including the BCS Sugar Bowl. Joined a pretty solid group of Michigan CBs who started their true freshmen year at Michigan, Donovan Warren, Marlin Jackson, and Charles Woodson. Countess had 44 tackles, 6 PBUs, and 1 FF on the year. In the spring game he had a nice break on the ball in intercepting a Gardner throw. The coaches have been pushing him to not be a sophomore that plays like a freshman, and according to all accounts Countess has taken that to heart and is pushing himself. I expect great things from this kid, this year and beyond.

    Nickel: Courtney Avery, 5'11" 173lb, True Junior. Avery had 26 tackles (his total dropped from the year before also), 4 PBU, 2 INTs (including the one that sealed tOSU game), 1 FF, and 2 FR with one being taken back 83 yards for a TD. Avery reminds me alot of Floyd, not the most athletic kid on the field, but experienced enough to get the job done.

    Backups:
    Terrence Talbott, 5'11" 178lb, True Junior. Didn't see much action last year, only on special teams if I remember right. Heard some good things out of camp this spring, we will see if it means anything this fall.
    Delonte Hollowel, 5'9" 164lb, True Soph. Looked good on special teams last year, I worry about his size in coverage and run support though.
    Ramon Taylor, 5'10, 169lb, True Soph. Saw very limited time last year. Heard good things out of Spring ball on him also. I believe he was originally committed to Indiana, flipped to Michigan when Hoke was hired.
    Tamani Carter, 5'11" 175lb, RS Fresh. Heard a little bit about his play this spring. Depth guy for now. From the same HS as current Michigan commit Taco Charlton. Was originally committed to Minnesota and flipped to Michigan when Hoke was hired, I believe.
    Terry Richardson, 5'9" 165lb, True Fresh. Highly touted, consensus 4* recruit. Will either RS to learn the schemes and put a few pounds on, or will see special teams and mop up duty. Look forward to seeing what he can do in a couple years.

    SS: Jordan Kovacs, 6', 197lb, RS Senior. I love this kid, no homo. He is a walk-on 3 year starter at Michigan and is about to make it 4. Kovacs had 75 tackles (once again a drop from previous years), 4 sacks, 8 TFL, 1 PBU, 1 FR, 2 FF, and 1 INT. Kovacs is limited athletically, but he is one of the smartest football players in the B1G. Run support is his strength, and if you watch any highlights of the defense last year, you will see Kovacs around the ball.

    Backup: Marvin Robinson, 6'2" 200lb, True Junior. Consensus 4* recruit who has the physical tools, but just can't beat out Kovacs. Heard praise for him again this spring, and he looks good in the limited action that I have seen him play. I expect to see more of him this spring to get him prepared for when Kovacs graduates.

    FS: Thomas Gordon, 5'11" 208lb, RS Junior out of Cass Tech. Started some his RS freshmen year in the 3-3-5, moved to FS when Hoke and company came aboard. Started 10 games, appearing in all 13 games. Finished with 67 tackles, 2 PBU, 2 FF, 4!!! FR, and 1 sweet INT vs EMU. Another guy who isn't the most physically gifted out there, but he is a solid all around FS in run support and in coverage.

    Backups
    Josh Furman, 6'2" 208lb, RS Sophomore, 3*/4* recruit out of Maryland. From all reports he is a physically gifted athlete with his size/speed combo, but it hasn't been seen much on the field yet. He is involved with some legal troubles right now and may not be a Wolverine this fall.
    Jarrod Wilson, 6'2" 190lb, True Freshman, consensus 4* recruit out of Ohio. Is an early enrollee who looked pretty good out there this spring. Was directing traffic from the safety position, but he bounced off of Rawls on his first TD run. I look forward to seeing him play the next 4 years at Michigan.
    Jarrod Gant, 6'2" 205lb, True Freshman, legacy recruit out of Ohio. Was mentioned as the #1 player in the state his freshman and sophomore years. Injuries and/or peaking early caused him to drop in the analyst eyes. Kid has the size and pedigree, but I expect a RS year for him
    Jeremy Clark, 6'4" 195lb, True Freshman, out of Kentucky. Was offered a greyshirt initially, when it was clear that scholarships were available and after Clark started to get interest from Florida and other southern school, Clark was offered a full scholarship. May move to WR if he doesn't have the hips to turn and run with his size.

    That is players at each position, I will get to other parts of the question next.

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  • Never Lose Hoke said...

    For Michigan; DE: Defensive Ends should be improved as 3(4?) Year Starter Craig Roh slides over to SDE, as opposed to WDE, to allow Frank Clark or Brennan Beyer, both Sophomores, to play at WDE. Clark and Beyer will be competing all year for the starting spot as Clark is more athletic, but Beyer has better technique and a better understanding of the D. DE's should be better, more experienced, and faster than last year.

    DT: Michigan will be replacing walk-on starter Will Heinenger with former WDE Jibreel Black which, IMO, is a step up as long as Black can put on 20+ pounds by fall. Black is a lightning quick player for a DT and should be fun to watch. However, the big question on Michigan's Defense is how they will replace NT Mike Martin. Obviously the replacement will be a fairly large step down in Will Campbell. Although Campbell has reportedly assumed the role as one of the team's leaders and is taking massive strides both on the field and in the weight room. My hope is that either Campbell finally lives up to his 5* billing due to 3 D-Line Coaches or that the improvement at the other 3 positions offsets Martin's loss.

    LB: Michigan's LB's will be greatly improved after returning all 3 starters and with some fresh meat in talented Freshman Joe Bolden. At SLB Michigan returns Jake Ryan, the athletic playmaker who should be improved if not physically, mentally. Backing him up will be former Safety abomination Cam Gordon who would have started last year if not for a back injury and Ryan's stellar play. At MLB Michigan returns Kenny Demens who will be starting for his 2nd and a half year. Challenging Demens for time is touted Freshman LB Joe Bolden. Bolden impressed the coaches during spring and looked solid during the Spring Game. And finally at WLB Michigan returns Desmond Morgan. Not the most athletic guy, Morgan, who is entering his Sophomore year, is a hard hitter and should improve in his 2nd season. Backing him up, and potentially challenging for the starting spot is Brandin Hawthorne, an athletic 5th year senior who played well in the spring game (Including a fantastic one handed interception) and 2 Freshman LB's; James Ross and Kaleb Ringer. Overall, Michigan's LB's will be a solid unit both in run support and in pass coverage. Compounding on to the fact that Michigan returns all 3 starters is the fact that Michigan enters its 2nd season in the same system, a first for everybody on the team.

    CB: Cornerback is confusing to me. At one spot will be Blake Countess who is entering his 2nd year and will be a very solid player. At the second spot returning starter JT Floyd, who ran with the 2's this spring, will challenge Courtney Avery, Terry Talbot, and Delonte Hollowell for playing time. The Cornerbacks, while a liability recently, return everybody worth returning and will also improve to be a solid unit.

    Safety: The best unit on Michigan's Defense. At SS will be 4 year starter Jordan Kovacs, who not too athletic is almost never out of position and is a sure tackler. At FS Michigan returns Thomas Gordon, an athletic playmaker who is entering his second year of starting. Backing them up will be Marvin Robinson, a hard hitting safety who struggles with keeping his assignments at times, and Freshman Jarrod Wilson who is great at pass coverage but needs to bulk up.

    As a whole Michigan's Defense should improve, especially seeing as how they return the entire back 7 and the only question mark on the team is, fortunately, the position which has 3 coaches who specialize with them. The Pass Defense especially should improve the most because for the first time in a while Michigan returns everybody and has a competent DB coach and DC.

    Ehh... The back 7 is probably the strongest unit on our football team as a whole. Don't read into Floyd running with the 2's... he is the starter coaches were just sending a message as they did with many other players this spring. Avery, Raymon Taylor, Talbott, Howell give us very nice depth at corner and all have game experience. Thomas Gordon was our best defensive player this spring by all accounts from people who attened many practices... so I think he is primed for a really good season this year. I agree the big concern is the interior, we are really solid on the outside right now.

    I think the biggest thing for our defense is that... This is the first time in 4 years that we are running the same system 2 years in a row and have coaching stability not only on that side of the ball, but in general with regards to the program. I think this is what is going to help the most. There is no substitute for time and experience in a system. Last year guys were playing in completely new systems and basically winging it more often then not out their as Mattison has alluded too many times.

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  • BeBucks seems to be slacking, so I'll add a bit...

    OSU returns pretty much their entire back seven from a year ago, sans Andrew Sweat. The star of the bunch being Bradley Roby.

    Projected Starters:
    4-3
    LB: Shazier,Curtis Grant, Etienne Sabino
    CB: Bradley Roby, Travis Howard
    S: Christian Bryant, CJ Barnett

    Nickel
    LB: Shazier, Grant/Sabino (one of)
    Star: Bryant
    S: Ohrian Johnson, CJ Barnett

    LB:
    I don't have the stats to back it up, but I'm willing to guess that a questionable LB corp had a lot to do with yards given up against the pass. Shazier pretty much does it all and really should be the star of group. Grant and Sabino had as much hype as anyone coming out of HS, but Sabino proved to have only average instincts to go with his crazy measurables. The jury is still out as what to expect from Curtis Grants sophomore campaign.

    Secondary:
    Roby is as good as you can ask for and is probably in the running for best DB in the BIG in 2012. Howard is a guy who has great talent and measurables, but has a lot of lapses on the mental aspect of the game. Going into 2011, he looked like a guy who would be taking his talents onto the next level following the season, but it just didn't work out that way.

    CJ Barnett has the most experience of anyone in the starting secondary and is steady as can be. Bryant is a guy who is always looking to make a big play and sometimes pays for it. Very aggressive safety whose aggressiveness can sometimes get him in bad situations.

    Soph Doran Grant will be the third corner and probably someone like Ron Tanner will be the next in line at safety after Barnett, Bryant, Johnson.

    Overall, I have pretty high hopes for the secondary this year but with a rash of transfers and dismissals in the off-season, the CBs are going to rely on some youth to fill in the gap. You're probably going to see at least one true freshman DB see significant time.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Mine is almost done.

    Edit: What boards received the link to this thread? I covered the Michigan board and that was it.

    I posted on Bucknuts, Nebraska, Badger247, Voice of the Hawkeyes, tRCMB, the Indiana Board and PSU's board.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

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  • I will have one up tonight... Sorry about my absence

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  • SpartanRocky said...
    .
    Since we just discussed rushing defense, so let's put a conclusion on the O/D topics with a discussion on pass defense. This includes the pass rush and the back-7.

    How as your pass yardage and passing efficiency D last year? What needs to happen for you to improve on those #s this year? How many back 7 starters return? Who has stepped up to replace those departed starters this spring? Any cause for concern thus far?

    Pass Rush. I feel better about the pass rush than I do the run defense. The base defense last year was NT Mike Martin (3.5 sacks), DT Will Heinenger (1 sack), SDE Ryan Van Bergen (5.5 sacks), WDE Craig Roh (4 sacks). Michigan is losing a solid pass rush duo in Martin and Van Bergen, but their strength was against the run. This year, Michigan's front 4 should be better at getting to the QB, but against the run is in question. Will Campbell is replacing Martin, and for a pass rush purposes it might be a push, Campbell had 2 sacks in his limited time last year. Jibreel Black is moving from WDE to the DT position, the oline and coaches have talked all spring about his quickness being a problem for the offense, even if he is slightly undersized. Black had 1.5 sacks in his limited time last year, and he had a sack on Gardner in the spring game this year. Roh returns, but moves to the SDE position. He should provide as good, if not better pressure on the QB compared to Van Bergen. At the WDE position we have Brennen Beyer and Frank Clark battling it out. I feel that Beyer will be in for running downs while the more athletic Clark will come in on passing downs. In summary, I feel the front 4 is quicker and more athletic with a better chance at getting pressure on the QB without a blitz.

    Now speaking of blitzes, Mattison brings them, and he brings them from all over, except the CBs. Jordan Kovacs, SS, tied for second on the team with 4 sacks. Michigan finished 29th in the nation is sacks, and I expect that number to stay the same or rise slightly.

    Passing defense, Michigan finished 16th in the nation in pass defense at 190.5 ypg. In B1G play that number improved to 185.2 ypg, 5th in conference play. Pass efficiency D last year finished 36th nationally with a rating of 120.48, allowing 59.1 completion %, giving up 12 TDs, while recording 9 INTs.

    The only lose in the back 7 is Troy Woolfolk. He started 10 games, but he finished much less than that. At the end of the season he was bouncing around, but the starters I mentioned earlier had their postitions locked up. With the back 7 returning I strongly feel that this will be the strength of Michigan's Defense this year. Michigan's needs to force more INTs with pressure up front and tighter coverage from the DBs. No true concerns for the back 7 going into the fall.

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  • Here you go guys...crazy busy, but I think this will give you a good quick overview of where the Huskers stand...

    CB: Andrew Green (Jr.); Mo Seisay (Jr); A. Bell (Sr); S. Jean-Baptiste (Jr)

    FS: P.J. Smith (Sr); H. Jackson (So) / C. Osborne (Sr)

    SS: D. Stafford (Sr); C. Cooper (So)

    NICKLE: C. Evans (Jr); B. Heard (So)

    DIME: H. Jackson (So); Washington (Jr)

    If Mo Seisay plays up to expectations, he was the #1 JUCO CB, this edition of the Blackshirts will be far better than last year's. We’ve seen a big increase in leadership both in the back seven in the team as a whole.

    With Bo giving the defense the majority of his attention, along with the additions of Coach Kaz and Coach Joseph,
    the players are receiving many more reps and better instruction.

    The players are much better in their S&C, they all are much more experienced, with a 2nd year or more in the system. Damion Stafford's light has turned on, which should make him vie for conference honors at SS, while Zaire Andersen should do a very credible job of replacing Lavonte David at WILL, with a seasoned MLB playing his best ball, Will Compton, showing much better play. Buck is open yet, we might see Whaley, he's a beast, move there with David Santos a big talent that is behind Compton that is has been playing very well; although Sean Fisher, orgianally a highly rated 4-star, who was badly injured, is said to "be back." If so, that would be a better LB crew than last year.

    With better knowledge and familiarity with the conference opponents and one of the best recruiting classes the Huskers have had since the 90's we’ve seen the depth and talent pool needed to vie for CCG, next year, if not this.

    There is solid depth right now at every position but SAM/BUCK.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Zonie87 on 4/24/2012 at 8:58 PM

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  • Zonie87 said...

    Here you go guys...crazy busy, but I think this will give you a good quick overview of where the Huskers stand...

    CB: Andrew Green (Jr.); Mo Seisay (Jr); A. Bell (Sr); S. Jean-Baptiste (Jr)

    FS: P.J. Smith (Sr); H. Jackson (So) / C. Osborne (Sr)

    SS: D. Stafford (Sr); C. Cooper (So)

    NICKLE: C. Evans (Jr); B. Heard (So)

    DIME: H. Jackson (So); Washington (Jr)

    If Mo Seisay plays up to expectations, he was the #1 JUCO CB, this edition of the Blackshirts will be far better than last year's. We’ve seen a big increase in leadership both in the back seven in the team as a whole.

    With Bo giving the defense the majority of his attention, along with the additions of Coach Kaz and Coach Joseph, the players are receiving many more reps and better instruction.

    The players are much better in their S&C, they all are much more experienced, with a 2nd year or more in the system. Damion Stafford's light has turned on, which should make him vie for conference honors at SS, while Zaire Andersen should do a very credible job of replacing Lavonte David at WILL, with a seasoned MLB playing his best ball, Will Compton, showing much better play. Buck is open yet, we might see Whaley, he's a beast, move there with David Santos a big talent that is behind Compton that is has been playing very well; although Sean Fisher, orgianally a highly rated 4-star, who was badly injured, is said to "be back." If so, that would be a better LB crew than last year.

    With better knowledge and familiarity with the conference opponents and one of the best recruiting classes the Huskers have had since the 90's we’ve seen the depth and talent pool needed to vie for CCG, next year, if not this.

    There is solid depth right now at every position but SAM/BUCK.

    I'll add a little here if thats ok,

    CB: Andrew Green has made large strides over the off season, but he still is young and makes mental mistakes. He is good in zone coverage, but is also very good at shadowing WR's and has learned not to bite on head fakes, and route recognition.

    Mo Seisay has been everything he been advertised to be, gets the system already and has a frame that you can't teach. Very physical and maybe more so than Price or Dennard before him. He has great leaping ability and his break on the ball is lightning quick.

    CJ Jackson, finally making it to campus this year, has been doing a lot of work with local pro's in his area and seems to be a workout warrior so to speak, time will tell if he can grasp Pelini's scheme this year, but should be used as a solid back up if needed.

    Safety PJ Smith is back healthy for the first time since his freshman year, he is the cover guy on the defense. He will play center field and read the QB. He is long and rangy, and has good speed and leaping ability for jump balls. He was suspect in seasons past when tackling but has shown a tremendous improvement in that area.

    Damion Stafford this kid is NFL material through and through and his position coach Joseph can't stop talking about him. He is picking off balls regularly in practice and also is known as a extremely heavy hitter. He is great on blitz's and stopping RB's out of the back field.

    Nickle with Evans and Heard, both a young and have a lot to learn. Heard is the most phycically gifted and just a natural talent. This is his first year at CB and he moved over from RB to get out the log jam between AG/AA and himself. So far his natural ability has really grabbed the attention of the staff and the people watching in practice. Evan's just needs some confidence and allow the game to come to him. He thinks way to much and slows him down. But when he does show flashes he is a blanket.

    Dime Jackson has this spot pretty well locked down and except for some situations with C.Cooper, is a great cover guy that brings a hitting attitude against bigger splitends and RB's.

    All in all Pelini has put in a ton of time with this group over the spring... first time since 08-09. If that is anymeaning to you we were a NASTY pass defense thos years. Pelini's scheme takes a lot of smarts, and we had to sacrifice some talent for understanding last couple years, but everyone is on the same page now and its looks very likely they could be the strength of the team.

    Keeping in mind the Nebraska pass defense is only as good as our front 7 and more importantly the front 4. If we can't get pressure we won't fare well in coverage. We will live and die by the ability of those guys up front and the back end will give the DL/LB more time to make plays than last year, but they still have to make plays in our 2gap system.

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  • dkhawkeye7 said...

    I will have one up tonight... Sorry about my absence

    Ugh... i lied, my apologies boyz... i just got off work, 14 hour days suck

    i promise tomorrow i will have it

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  • joshwfo said...

    I'll add a little here if thats ok,

    CB: Andrew Green has made large strides over the off season, but he still is young and makes mental mistakes. He is good in zone coverage, but is also very good at shadowing WR's and has learned not to bite on head fakes, and route recognition.

    Mo Seisay has been everything he been advertised to be, gets the system already and has a frame that you can't teach. Very physical and maybe more so than Price or Dennard before him. He has great leaping ability and his break on the ball is lightning quick.

    CJ Jackson, finally making it to campus this year, has been doing a lot of work with local pro's in his area and seems to be a workout warrior so to speak, time will tell if he can grasp Pelini's scheme this year, but should be used as a solid back up if needed.

    Safety PJ Smith is back healthy for the first time since his freshman year, he is the cover guy on the defense. He will play center field and read the QB. He is long and rangy, and has good speed and leaping ability for jump balls. He was suspect in seasons past when tackling but has shown a tremendous improvement in that area.

    Damion Stafford this kid is NFL material through and through and his position coach Joseph can't stop talking about him. He is picking off balls regularly in practice and also is known as a extremely heavy hitter. He is great on blitz's and stopping RB's out of the back field.

    Nickle with Evans and Heard, both a young and have a lot to learn. Heard is the most phycically gifted and just a natural talent. This is his first year at CB and he moved over from RB to get out the log jam between AG/AA and himself. So far his natural ability has really grabbed the attention of the staff and the people watching in practice. Evan's just needs some confidence and allow the game to come to him. He thinks way to much and slows him down. But when he does show flashes he is a blanket.

    Dime Jackson has this spot pretty well locked down and except for some situations with C.Cooper, is a great cover guy that brings a hitting attitude against bigger splitends and RB's.

    All in all Pelini has put in a ton of time with this group over the spring... first time since 08-09. If that is anymeaning to you we were a NASTY pass defense thos years. Pelini's scheme takes a lot of smarts, and we had to sacrifice some talent for understanding last couple years, but everyone is on the same page now and its looks very likely they could be the strength of the team.

    Keeping in mind the Nebraska pass defense is only as good as our front 7 and more importantly the front 4. If we can't get pressure we won't fare well in coverage. We will live and die by the ability of those guys up front and the back end will give the DL/LB more time to make plays than last year, but they still have to make plays in our 2gap system.

    Not to deadhorse, josh is one of our, nebraska.247sports.com/Huskers Illustrated, most informed members. This post by josh, is some of the best "inside" information on the state of the Husker football program anywhere. Enjoy.

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  • Thanks for the replies and info guys.

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