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Big Ten Round Table Eight (Aug. 8)

  • SpartanRocky said...

    I fully expect the UM guys not to agree with or like my UM predictions. The IL game was a swing game, but I'll get to that in a second

    I think, with your secondary, you have to be concerned with Floyd, even if he hasn't hurt you guys in the past; he's going to be pretty motivated. I just don't see how you can brush him off, historical stats or no.

    IL: Few thoughts; you guys exchanged home Ws the past 2 years, and it's at @IL. Usually you see a bump in production in year 2 of a new system, or if your QB played as a frosh and is in his 2nd year (Barkley, Robinson, Stafford, Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Tebow, etc.). IL has both going for it this year. Finally, it's a classic trap game; it's an out-of-division game against an opponent you beat last year in between divisional games against big name opponents in Iowa and Nebraska. It could definitely go either way, but with Iowa, Nebraska and tOSU in the last 1/3 of the season, I can see a bit of a letdown game against the Illini.

    I like those coordinators for IL; Zook figured out he can't coach, so found 2 guys that could. IL's definitely my "surprise" team, along with Iowa, though as more people are paying attention to their very light schedule, they're not so much of a surprise.

    Secondary wont be the strength of the D but should & is expected to perform at a higher level than last year. With that said, Floyd is very talented & it would not surprise me if he had a good day. Not the sure thing you imply though IMO.

    I have to ask Rocky, how does Floyd's "motivation" factor into the equation?

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  • Ollie-Ali said...

    Secondary wont be the strength of the D but should & is expected to perform at a higher level than last year. With that said, Floyd is very talented & it would not surprise me if he had a good day. Not the sure thing you imply though IMO.

    I have to ask Rocky, how does Floyd's "motivation" factor into the equation?

    What I'm saying that Floyd, when he wants to be, is one of the 4 elite WRs in college football (Broyles, Blackmon and Jeffries are the other 3). He knows this is his last chance to impress, so I expect him to go all out, especially in a rivalry game, under the lights. When preparation/focus/drive/whatever you want to call it is equal, the physically superior athlete wins.

    In terms of that, I honestly don't think he can be covered by anyone less than an elite DB when he's on, and I don't think either UM or MSU has an elite DB on their roster right now. I expect him to do major damage against both teams.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • OK here we go!

    ILLINOIS[b/]

    9/3 [b]Arkansas St W
    9/10 South Dakota St W
    9/17 Arizona St L
    9/24 Western Michigan W
    10/1 Northwestern L
    10/8 @ Indiana W
    10/15 Ohio State L
    10/22 @ Purdue W
    10/29 @Penn State L
    11/12 Michigan L
    11/19 Wisconsin[b/] L
    11/26 [b]@ Minnesota
    W

    6-6, 3-5

    Indiana

    9/3 VS Ball Sate W
    9/10 vs Virginia W.... Not a very good team and didnt win a road game last year
    9/17 vs South Carolina St W
    9/24 @ North Texas W
    10/1 vs Penn State L
    10/8 vs Illinois L
    10/15 @ Wisconsin L.... Hopefully they wont score 83 again
    10/22 @ Iowa L.... Play Iowa tough and lose it in the 4th quarter again
    10/29 vs Northwestern W
    11/5 @ Ohio St L
    11/19 @ Mich St L
    11/26 vs Purdue W.... The Bucket stays with IU

    6-6, 2-6

    IOWA

    Sept. 3 Tennessee Tech W
    Sept. 10 at Iowa State W
    Sept. 17 Pittsburgh W
    Sept. 24 ULM W
    Oct. 8 at Penn State W
    Oct. 15 Northwestern W
    Oct. 22 Indiana W
    Oct. 29 at Minnesota W
    Nov. 5 Michigan W
    Nov. 12 Michigan State W
    Nov. 19 at Purdue W
    Nov. 25 at Nebraska L.... Nebraska defense too much for them

    11-1, 7-1

    MICHIGAN

    Sept. 3 Western Michigan W
    Sept. 10 Notre Dame L..... ND improved defense shuts Michigan down
    Sept. 17 Eastern Michigan W
    Sept. 24 San Diego St. W
    Oct. 1 Minnesota W
    Oct. 8 @ Northwestern W
    Oct. 15 @ Michigan St W----Upset special
    Oct. 29 Purdue W
    Nov. 5 @ Iowa L
    Nov. 12 @ Illinois W
    Nov. 19 Nebraska L
    Nov. 26 Ohio State L

    8-4, 5-3

    Michigan State

    Sept. 3 Youngstown St W
    Sept. 10 Florida Atlantic W
    Sept. 17 at Notre Dame L
    Sept. 24 Central Michigan W
    Oct. 1 at Ohio State W
    Oct. 15 Michigan L..... I know a lot of people wont agree, but there are going to be upsets sometime this year.
    Oct. 22 Wisconsin W
    Oct. 29 at Nebraska L
    Nov. 5 Minnesota W
    Nov. 12 at Iowa L
    Nov. 19 Indiana W
    Nov. 26 at Northwestern W

    8-4, 5-3

    MINNESOTA

    Sept. 3 at USC L
    Sept. 10 New Mexico St. W
    Sept. 17 Miami-OH L
    Sept. 24 NO DAKOTA ST W
    Oct. 1 at Michigan L
    Oct. 8 at Purdue L
    Oct. 22 Nebraska L
    Oct. 29 Iowa L
    Nov. 5 at Michigan State L
    Nov. 12 Wisconsin L
    Nov. 19 at Northwestern L
    Nov. 26 Illinois L

    2-10, 0-8

    NEBRASKA

    Sept. 3 Chattanooga W
    Sept. 10 Fresno State W
    Sept. 17 Washington W
    Sept. 24 at Wyoming W
    Oct. 1 at Wisconsin L... First BIG TEN road game will be a loss.
    Oct. 8 Ohio State W
    Oct. 22 at Minnesota W
    Oct. 29 Michigan State W
    Nov. 5 Northwestern W
    Nov. 12 at Penn State W
    Nov. 19 at Michigan W
    Nov. 25 Iowa W

    11-1, 7-1

    NORTHWESTERN

    Sept. 3 at Boston College L
    Sept. 10 Eastern Illinois W
    Sept. 17 at Army W
    Oct. 1 at Illinois W
    Oct. 8 Michigan L
    Oct. 15 at Iowa L
    Oct. 22 Penn State L
    Oct. 29 at Indiana L
    Nov. 5 at Nebraska L
    Nov. 12 Rice W
    Nov. 19 Minnesota W
    Nov. 26 Michigan State L

    5-7, 2-6..... I think I am underrating this team some

    OHIO STATE

    Sept. 3 Akron W
    Sept. 10 Toledo W
    Sept. 17 at Miami-FL W
    Sept. 24 Colorado W
    Oct. 1 Michigan State L
    Oct. 8 at Nebraska L
    Oct. 15 at Illinois W
    Oct. 29 Wisconsin L
    Nov. 5 Indiana W
    Nov. 12 at Purdue W
    Nov. 19 Penn State W
    Nov. 26 at Michigan W

    9-3, 5-3.... Wins game they should and losses games they should. Nothing special this season

    PENN STATE

    Sept. 3 Indiana St W
    Sept. 10 Alabama L
    Sept. 17 at Temple W
    Sept. 24 Eastern Michigan W
    Oct. 1 at Indiana W
    Oct. 8 Iowa L.... Keeps it close but not close enough in the end
    Oct. 15 Purdue W
    Oct. 22 at Northwestern W
    Oct. 29 Illinois W
    Nov. 12 Nebraska L
    Nov. 19 at Ohio State L
    Nov. 26 at Wisconsin L

    7-5, 4-4

    PURDUE

    Sept. 3 Middle Tenn. W
    Sept. 10 at Rice W
    Sept. 17 SE Missouri St. W
    Oct. 1 Notre Dame L
    Oct. 8 Minnesota W
    Oct. 15 at Penn State L
    Oct. 22 Illinois L
    Oct. 29 at Michigan L
    Nov. 5 at Wisconsin L
    Nov. 12 Ohio State L
    Nov. 19 Iowa L
    Nov. 26 at Indiana L

    4-8, 1-7..... I hate Purdue

    WISCONSIN

    Sept. 1 UNLV W
    Sept. 10 Oregon State W
    Sept. 17 Northern Illinois W
    Sept. 24 SOUTH DAKOTA W
    Oct. 1 Nebraska W
    Oct. 15 Indiana W
    Oct. 22 at Michigan State L
    Oct. 29 at Ohio State W
    Nov. 5 Purdue W
    Nov. 12 at Minnesota W
    Nov. 19 at Illinois W
    Nov. 26 Penn State W

    11-1, 7-1..... Will be going to the Rose Bowl again.

    I double checked but still could have missed a few games where I got the win and loss wrong. Let me know if I did

    This post was edited by Oaken on 8/8/2011 at 5:02 PM

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  • OldOaken said...

    OK here we go!

    I double checked but still could have missed a few games where I got the win and loss wrong. Let me know if I did

    You have Northwestern at 5-6. . . . is that supposed to be 6-6 or 5-7?

    So. . . .why are you predicting UM to beat MSU? Any reasons other than to pick an upset?

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    What I'm saying that Floyd, when he wants to be, is one of the 4 elite WRs in college football (Broyles, Blackmon and Jeffries are the other 3). He knows this is his last chance to impress, so I expect him to go all out, especially in a rivalry game, under the lights. When preparation/focus/drive/whatever you want to call it is equal, the physically superior athlete wins.

    In terms of that, I honestly don't think he can be covered by anyone less than an elite DB when he's on, and I don't think either UM or MSU has an elite DB on their roster right now. I expect him to do major damage against both teams.

    Fair enough, I disagree, & personally think if motivation is a factor at all (which I doubt it will be) it would tend to go our way. Again though, I really can't see either team, let alone individual player having a decided advantage due to extra motivation.

    I do agree with him being nearly un-coverable one on one though. I don't however, expect him to be in that situation very often.

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  • SpartanRocky said...

    You have Northwestern at 5-6. . . . is that supposed to be 6-6 or 5-7?

    So. . . .why are you predicting UM to beat MSU? Any reasons other than to pick an upset?

    Thanks for noticing the NW record, I fixed it

    Honestly just a weird feeling with the UM/MSU game. I think UM will be a little better than people think and I dont think MSU will be as good as others think. They will still be good but not as good I feel.

    OldOaken247 on twitter..... I say a lot of stuff you wont care about.

    Oaken

  • OldOaken said...

    Thanks for noticing the NW record, I fixed it

    Honestly just a weird feeling with the UM/MSU game. I think UM will be a little better than people think and I dont think MSU will be as good as others think. They will still be good but not as good I feel.

    Some years this might be true, I don't think this is the year it will happen though. Too much focus has been given in state to UM and their new demigod Hoke. MSU is going to come out firing on all cylinders for that game. Weirder things have happened, but I don't see it. Ask me after the ND game though.

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  • dustelli said...

    Entered mine on the placeholder in page 1

    Not showing up for me. shrug

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  • OldOaken said...

    MICHIGAN

    Oct. 15 @ Michigan St W----Upset special

    Nov. 26 Ohio State L

    8-4, 5-3

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  • Hoffelcopter said...

    Not showing up for me. shrug

    Yea me either..... going to suck for him if he forgot to send it and has to type it all over

    OldOaken247 on twitter..... I say a lot of stuff you wont care about.

    Oaken

  • OldOaken said...

    Yea me either..... going to suck for him if he forgot to send it and has to type it all over

    Naw, the same thing happened to me. Some of the bigger posts don't go through when you "edit post" after you've been using a short post as a placeholder.

    If you click your edited post to RE-edit it, your full post is there still, and you can copy it and paste it in a new post. That's what happened to mine, which is why it appears twice ITT.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Ollie-Ali said...

    Fair enough, I disagree, & personally think if motivation is a factor at all (which I doubt it will be) it would tend to go our way. Again though, I really can't see either team, let alone individual player having a decided advantage due to extra motivation.

    I do agree with him being nearly un-coverable one on one though. I don't however, expect him to be in that situation very often.

    Floyd's struck me as the type of guy that doesn't go hard 100% of the time. When he's on, he can really change a game. The rest of ND's team is plenty to worry about too and I think UM is going to be hard pressed to get of that game with a W.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Floyd's struck me as the type of guy that doesn't go hard 100% of the time. When he's on, he can really change a game. The rest of ND's team is plenty to worry about too and I think UM is going to be hard pressed to get of that game with a W.

    I agree, Floyd has the ability to be a game changer, I just disagree with the notion that he'll have any extra motivation.

    The game will definitely be a test & at this point, if I had to choose, I'd prob lean towards ND as well. BUT, being @ home, under the lights with competent defensive coaching & the majority of the offense back, including Mr. September Heisman, I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.

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  • OldOaken said...

    OK here we go!

    ILLINOIS[b/]

    9/3 [b]Arkansas St W
    9/10 South Dakota St W
    9/17 Arizona St L
    9/24 Western Michigan W
    10/1 Northwestern L
    10/8 @ Indiana W
    10/15 Ohio State L
    10/22 @ Purdue W
    10/29 @Penn State L
    11/12 Michigan L
    11/19 Wisconsin[b/] L
    11/26 [b]@ Minnesota
    W

    6-6, 3-5

    Indiana

    9/3 VS Ball Sate W
    9/10 vs Virginia W.... Not a very good team and didnt win a road game last year
    9/17 vs South Carolina St W
    9/24 @ North Texas W
    10/1 vs Penn State L
    10/8 vs Illinois L
    10/15 @ Wisconsin L.... Hopefully they wont score 83 again
    10/22 @ Iowa L.... Play Iowa tough and lose it in the 4th quarter again
    10/29 vs Northwestern W
    11/5 @ Ohio St L
    11/19 @ Mich St L
    11/26 vs Purdue W.... The Bucket stays with IU

    6-6, 2-6

    IOWA

    Sept. 3 Tennessee Tech W
    Sept. 10 at Iowa State W
    Sept. 17 Pittsburgh W
    Sept. 24 ULM W
    Oct. 8 at Penn State W
    Oct. 15 Northwestern W
    Oct. 22 Indiana W
    Oct. 29 at Minnesota W
    Nov. 5 Michigan W
    Nov. 12 Michigan State W
    Nov. 19 at Purdue W
    Nov. 25 at Nebraska L.... Nebraska defense too much for them

    11-1, 7-1

    MICHIGAN

    Sept. 3 Western Michigan W
    Sept. 10 Notre Dame L..... ND improved defense shuts Michigan down
    Sept. 17 Eastern Michigan W
    Sept. 24 San Diego St. W
    Oct. 1 Minnesota W
    Oct. 8 @ Northwestern W
    Oct. 15 @ Michigan St W----Upset special
    Oct. 29 Purdue W
    Nov. 5 @ Iowa L
    Nov. 12 @ Illinois W
    Nov. 19 Nebraska L
    Nov. 26 Ohio State L

    8-4, 5-3

    Michigan State

    Sept. 3 Youngstown St W
    Sept. 10 Florida Atlantic W
    Sept. 17 at Notre Dame L
    Sept. 24 Central Michigan W
    Oct. 1 at Ohio State W
    Oct. 15 Michigan L..... I know a lot of people wont agree, but there are going to be upsets sometime this year.
    Oct. 22 Wisconsin W
    Oct. 29 at Nebraska L
    Nov. 5 Minnesota W
    Nov. 12 at Iowa L
    Nov. 19 Indiana W
    Nov. 26 at Northwestern W

    8-4, 5-3

    MINNESOTA

    Sept. 3 at USC L
    Sept. 10 New Mexico St. W
    Sept. 17 Miami-OH L
    Sept. 24 NO DAKOTA ST W
    Oct. 1 at Michigan L
    Oct. 8 at Purdue L
    Oct. 22 Nebraska L
    Oct. 29 Iowa L
    Nov. 5 at Michigan State L
    Nov. 12 Wisconsin L
    Nov. 19 at Northwestern L
    Nov. 26 Illinois L

    2-10, 0-8

    NEBRASKA

    Sept. 3 Chattanooga W
    Sept. 10 Fresno State W
    Sept. 17 Washington W
    Sept. 24 at Wyoming W
    Oct. 1 at Wisconsin L... First BIG TEN road game will be a loss.
    Oct. 8 Ohio State W
    Oct. 22 at Minnesota W
    Oct. 29 Michigan State W
    Nov. 5 Northwestern W
    Nov. 12 at Penn State W
    Nov. 19 at Michigan W
    Nov. 25 Iowa W

    11-1, 7-1

    NORTHWESTERN

    Sept. 3 at Boston College L
    Sept. 10 Eastern Illinois W
    Sept. 17 at Army W
    Oct. 1 at Illinois W
    Oct. 8 Michigan L
    Oct. 15 at Iowa L
    Oct. 22 Penn State L
    Oct. 29 at Indiana L
    Nov. 5 at Nebraska L
    Nov. 12 Rice W
    Nov. 19 Minnesota W
    Nov. 26 Michigan State L

    5-7, 2-6..... I think I am underrating this team some

    OHIO STATE

    Sept. 3 Akron W
    Sept. 10 Toledo W
    Sept. 17 at Miami-FL W
    Sept. 24 Colorado W
    Oct. 1 Michigan State L
    Oct. 8 at Nebraska L
    Oct. 15 at Illinois W
    Oct. 29 Wisconsin L
    Nov. 5 Indiana W
    Nov. 12 at Purdue W
    Nov. 19 Penn State W
    Nov. 26 at Michigan W

    9-3, 5-3.... Wins game they should and losses games they should. Nothing special this season

    PENN STATE

    Sept. 3 Indiana St W
    Sept. 10 Alabama L
    Sept. 17 at Temple W
    Sept. 24 Eastern Michigan W
    Oct. 1 at Indiana W
    Oct. 8 Iowa L.... Keeps it close but not close enough in the end
    Oct. 15 Purdue W
    Oct. 22 at Northwestern W
    Oct. 29 Illinois W
    Nov. 12 Nebraska L
    Nov. 19 at Ohio State L
    Nov. 26 at Wisconsin L

    7-5, 4-4

    PURDUE

    Sept. 3 Middle Tenn. W
    Sept. 10 at Rice W
    Sept. 17 SE Missouri St. W
    Oct. 1 Notre Dame L
    Oct. 8 Minnesota W
    Oct. 15 at Penn State L
    Oct. 22 Illinois L
    Oct. 29 at Michigan L
    Nov. 5 at Wisconsin L
    Nov. 12 Ohio State L
    Nov. 19 Iowa L
    Nov. 26 at Indiana L

    4-8, 1-7..... I hate Purdue

    WISCONSIN

    Sept. 1 UNLV W
    Sept. 10 Oregon State W
    Sept. 17 Northern Illinois W
    Sept. 24 SOUTH DAKOTA W
    Oct. 1 Nebraska W
    Oct. 15 Indiana W
    Oct. 22 at Michigan State L
    Oct. 29 at Ohio State W
    Nov. 5 Purdue W
    Nov. 12 at Minnesota W
    Nov. 19 at Illinois W
    Nov. 26 Penn State W

    11-1, 7-1..... Will be going to the Rose Bowl again.

    I double checked but still could have missed a few games where I got the win and loss wrong. Let me know if I did

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  • OldOaken said...

    Yea me either..... going to suck for him if he forgot to send it and has to type it all over

    I don't get it. I did it at work and saw it there and now on my phone it is still there. You guys r saying it doesnt show up for you?

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    I don't get it. I did it at work and saw it there and now on my phone it is still there. You guys r saying it doesnt show up for you?

    I see it there now... it wasnt there earlier... youre good

    OldOaken247 on twitter..... I say a lot of stuff you wont care about.

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  • Edit...I re-posted then saw that people could see it. Crap this day has not been good to me.

    This post was edited by dustelli on 8/8/2011 at 7:33 PM

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  • dustelli said...

    Top Games

    1. Nebraska at Wisconsin - This is Nebraska's first conference game, and it is a night game in one of the tougher venues in the big ten. Regardless of how I think the season will turn out the hype meter will be high coming into this game, as it should considering on paper this may determine the Big Ten champ. or least pave the way. Ultimately i think that the gap between Offenses is greater than the gap between defenses and the home team takes this one. Wisconsin 28 Nebraska 13. Let the Wisconsin hype machine start rolling until it smacks us in the face.

    2. Wisconsin at Ohio St. - I expect Wisconsin to flying high at 7-0 and thinking their sh!t doesn't stink. Adding to that is the fact that we are one of the few teams in the conference that have had some success against Ohio St. even on the road. Ohio St reminds us that our sh!t can stink. The have everyone back at this point and have figured out who they are. I am guessing the new coach will look at last years film and coach all week on how to do the opposite. They still have talent and are at home. There isn't a game on Wisconsin's schedule that I think they can't win, but I know they won't win them all. OSU 24 Wisconsin 21

    3. Michigan St at Ohio St. - This is a game everyone is looking to as timing is everything. MSU will know a lot more about their OL and they are catching OSU at a good time. Regardless of missing players they will still most likely be starting a freshman QB early in the year with a first year head coach. I think in terms of athleticism MSU matches up very well and the experienced play of Kirk Cousins is going to help them pull this one out on the road. MSU 27 OSU 17

    4 and 5 are a tossup between; -Wisconsin @ MSU which could be part 1 eventhough it is part 2 from last season. -Penn St. @ OSU as this could be where OSU thinks they are going to sneak away with another crown, but not so fast my friend. BTW I just realized they get Wisconsin, MSU, and PSU all at home.

    Kind of nuts that Wisky-Nebraska and MSU-tOSU are on the same weekend. That should be the top 4 ranked Big 10 teams playing each other on the same day.

    FWIW, I know you predicted Wisconsin to beat MSU; want to see how you think that game will play out. As I noted above, both teams have 2-0 against each other at home in the last 4 meetings, and Wisconsin has struggled in their first conf. road game (our game, on Oct. 22nd, is your first road game).

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    Kind of nuts that Wisky-Nebraska and MSU-tOSU are on the same weekend. That should be the top 4 ranked Big 10 teams playing each other on the same day.

    FWIW, I know you predicted Wisconsin to beat MSU; want to see how you think that game will play out. As I noted above, both teams have 2-0 against each other at home in the last 4 meetings, and Wisconsin has struggled in their first conf. road game (our game, on Oct. 22nd, is your first road game).

    If nothing else I think we are due. Truthfully though it comes down to a couple of things. First I think we match up a little better than we did last year. Our use of Clay versus your speed at LB was just plain stupid. I don't think that scenario plays the same. Cousins with another year under his belt scares me, but I am banking on being able to get to him a few times. That is assuming I believe the early hype on our DE's. In the end I think we go 1-1 over the two game stretch and had to come up with a loss. Losing @ OSU and winning @ MSU was a better storyline for selfish reasons. Could go either way though. I don't see us losing to Nebraska. If I am wrong that early loss could really change the season.

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    If nothing else I think we are due. Truthfully though it comes down to a couple of things. First I think we match up a little better than we did last year. Our use of Clay versus your speed at LB was just plain stupid. I don't think that scenario plays the same. Cousins with another year under his belt scares me, but I am banking on being able to get to him a few times. That is assuming I believe the early hype on our DE's. In the end I think we go 1-1 over the two game stretch and had to come up with a loss. Losing @ OSU and winning @ MSU was a better storyline for selfish reasons. Could go either way though. I don't see us losing to Nebraska. If I am wrong that early loss could really change the season.

    FWIW, wouldn't you rather beat tOSU than MSU? You'd have the head-to-head tie-breaker with the regular season W.

    Also, it's funny, because I think we match-up better with you this year than last year. We still have K-mart, and you still have the Punter that line-drive kicked to him. I highly doubt Cousins throws 2 first half INTs; we were -3 in TO margin and beat you by 10. It's pretty rare to be + or - 3 in TO margin in Big 10 games, so you'd think just by the law of averages those should be better. It's not like we lost the RBs, WRs or TEs, and actually add back 2 TEs to the mix. Our OL is a question mark, but it was a question mark last year, and now there's no Watt, nor someone of his caliber (I hope?). Borland will help a lot, but I'd rather have a strong DL and o.k. LBs than an ok DL and strong LBs (our D last year fit the later of the 2).

    I guess I just see more of the same in our match-up, with less mistakes from our QB being the difference.

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • Well the punter who did that last year turned into one of the best punters in the Big 10 down the stretch. It was like a switch was flipped half way through the season. We also have more speed on coverage than we had last year. You and I probably watched that game through different colored glasses, but for me that was the most frustrating game. I thought it was the worst called game by Paul Chryst, just as the Rose Bowl. We had things that were working, but he insisted on doing other things. You had a fast aggressive defense (epsecially at LB) yet he continued to push Clay off Tackle for 1 yd gains and losses. Every time we threw White on the edges it was a big gain. It was obvious White was the difference maker in that game for us yet he continued to lumber Clay. The other side of it was Tolzien. I have never been a ST supporter and that game was the epitome fo why i feel that way. His arm was sub average for what a Big Ten QB should be. He would flutter balls to the edges and also run himself into sacks. He did get better as the year went on, but when you want to use the pass as part of your game plan you don't have a noodle arm QB go 11-25. It was not like he was missing on fly patterns or deep crossing. He was lofting swing passes and outs to where there was nothing a reciever could do. I know this is starting to sound like I think we gave you the game. Aside from the TO's you guys played a really good game. Our defense gave us an opportunity to win the game, well except for the blown coverage on the TD pass (I forget if it was the one to Dell or Gantt). The long drive in the 4th as well. The offense did not put it's best foot forward. As much credit as our offense got in the second half of the year they did not come to play in that game. Clay being hurt off and on the rest of the way really helped that. So with the subtraction of Clay and Tolzien I think we are a better offense this year and match up better. We will miss Kendricks in a match up like this, but what does it matter when the QB couldn't always get him the ball when he was open (3 for 17). It was a 10 pt margin, but is was also a FG game in the 4th Q.

    Yes we do lose Watt, but our DL as a unit will be better. It is just a question of can anyone get in the backfield without a star like Watt. I think there will be some suprises this year with Gilbert and Nzegwu. Obvioulsy not Watt caliber, but more than adequate. As far as why MSU and not OSU. That is simple. All the complaining, the billboards, etc...plus back to back home games make me want that game more. I think we just have a better team too. with all that said it is a game we could easily lose.

    dustelli

  • dustelli said...

    Well the punter who did that last year turned into one of the best punters in the Big 10 down the stretch. It was like a switch was flipped half way through the season. We also have more speed on coverage than we had last year. You and I probably watched that game through different colored glasses, but for me that was the most frustrating game. I thought it was the worst called game by Paul Chryst, just as the Rose Bowl. We had things that were working, but he insisted on doing other things. You had a fast aggressive defense (epsecially at LB) yet he continued to push Clay off Tackle for 1 yd gains and losses. Every time we threw White on the edges it was a big gain. It was obvious White was the difference maker in that game for us yet he continued to lumber Clay. The other side of it was Tolzien. I have never been a ST supporter and that game was the epitome fo why i feel that way. His arm was sub average for what a Big Ten QB should be. He would flutter balls to the edges and also run himself into sacks. He did get better as the year went on, but when you want to use the pass as part of your game plan you don't have a noodle arm QB go 11-25. It was not like he was missing on fly patterns or deep crossing. He was lofting swing passes and outs to where there was nothing a reciever could do. I know this is starting to sound like I think we gave you the game. Aside from the TO's you guys played a really good game. Our defense gave us an opportunity to win the game, well except for the blown coverage on the TD pass (I forget if it was the one to Dell or Gantt). The long drive in the 4th as well. The offense did not put it's best foot forward. As much credit as our offense got in the second half of the year they did not come to play in that game. Clay being hurt off and on the rest of the way really helped that. So with the subtraction of Clay and Tolzien I think we are a better offense this year and match up better. We will miss Kendricks in a match up like this, but what does it matter when the QB couldn't always get him the ball when he was open (3 for 17). It was a 10 pt margin, but is was also a FG game in the 4th Q.

    Yes we do lose Watt, but our DL as a unit will be better. It is just a question of can anyone get in the backfield without a star like Watt. I think there will be some suprises this year with Gilbert and Nzegwu. Obvioulsy not Watt caliber, but more than adequate. As far as why MSU and not OSU. That is simple. All the complaining, the billboards, etc...plus back to back home games make me want that game more. I think we just have a better team too. with all that said it is a game we could easily lose.

    Fair enough, just wanted to understand the thought process. I also feel better about our chances against White, since our DEs are bigger and stronger, thus having a better chance at holding the edge vs. your OTs. Glad Carimi's gone, but I know you'll have maulers up front.

    Should be a great game; just hope you guys don't look ahead to Ohio State!

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky

  • SpartanRocky said...

    So. . . .why are you predicting UM to beat MSU? Any reasons other than to pick an upset?

    Not Oak here, but I will give my reasons.

    Hoke has circled this game, he wants to reastablish the pecking order for the state of Michigan on the field like he has in recruiting. MSU is coming off of a bye week, usual that is a good thing, but that hasn't been the case for MSU under Dantonio, I believe they are 1-3 following a bye. Michigan will have all of the offensive and defensive wrinkles worked out and will be humming along.

    xxmgobluexx

  • xxmgobluexx said...

    Not Oak here, but I will give my reasons.

    Hoke has circled this game, he wants to reastablish the pecking order for the state of Michigan on the field like he has in recruiting. MSU is coming off of a bye week, usual that is a good thing, but that hasn't been the case for MSU under Dantonio, I believe they are 1-3 following a bye. Michigan will have all of the offensive and defensive wrinkles worked out and will be humming along.

    That's a lot of intangible reasons. Very little "on the field" reasons. Sounds like MSU fans during Carr's 6 game W streak against us.

    I like MSU's chances. If UM's O and D are "humming along" then you have a solid shot. Even you have to admit that's an "if" at this point.

    Also, MD's had this game circled each and every year he's been here; if you can't come up with a better reason that you'll win other than your coach cares, then I doubt you'll win. You think our players are going to come out flat after the bye? We've only had 2 in the past 4 years.

    In 2007, MSU didn't have a bye.

    In 2008, MSU played @ #8 PSU after the bye; L

    In 2009, MSU didn't have a bye

    In 2010, MSU played Purdue after the bye, W

    So, MSU is 1-1 after their bye, with their only L coming against the #8 team in the country on the road 3 seasons ago. MSU is 3-1 vs. UM under MD and 4-0 the game after UM.

    That's great that your coach wants to re-establish the pecking order in state, but if you think all that it'll take is UM caring about the game again, you're underestimating MSU a lot. Purely on-field talent, not talking recruiting rankings, do you really think UM has more talent than MSU this year?

    This post was edited by SpartanRocky on 8/9/2011 at 12:14 PM

    Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.

    SpartanRocky