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Bowl games up north!

  • I have always wondered how good alot of these teams would play in a bowl game if they had to play in the colder states in January.

    My guess is they wouldnt be as successful as they have been. You know what though I could be wrong.

    Just imagine them playing at the Shoe, or Ann Arbor or any of the big stadiums up north, that arent in a dome.

    Just food for thought, trying to see what you fans of all teams think about it.

    Thoughts??

    BLUFFTONBUCKNUT

  • Playing in cold weather with maybe some snow means more running plays which our "D" would eat up. Fine with me.

    jimtom27486

  • BLUFFTONBUCKNUT said...

    I have always wondered how good alot of these teams would play in a bowl game if they had to play in the colder states in January.

    My guess is they wouldnt be as successful as they have been. You know what though I could be wrong.

    Just imagine them playing at the Shoe, or Ann Arbor or any of the big stadiums up north, that arent in a dome.

    Just food for thought, trying to see what you fans of all teams think about it.

    Thoughts??

    Great idea. I can hear it now.....,"you guys have had a great season so as a reward you get a week long trip to .........Ann Arbor in December"!!!!!

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  • Who the hell would want to go to Ohio in January?

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  • Who the hell would pay to go to a game in the North Pole?

    Only southern football matters.

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  • I just wish LSU would play in New Orleans every year so I don't have to travel

    LScootU

  • Super Scooter said...

    I just wish LSU would play in New Orleans every year so I don't have to travel

    But at the price of losing

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  • Ichabod said...

    But at the price of losing

    Bama got lucky

    LScootU

  • Only southern football matters.

    But only to southerners.

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    Looks like another perfect day.

    Under Review

  • Under Review said...

    But only to southerners.

    All football sucks except LSU and Saints football, that's the only games I watch

    LScootU

  • Super Scooter said...

    All football sucks except LSU and Saints football, that's the only games I watch

    If they could only play each other then you could die happy.

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    Looks like another perfect day.

    Under Review

  • Under Review said...

    If they could only play each other then you could die happy.

    I'm gunna die happy no matter what

    LScootU

  • If bowls in the 'north' are going to work, they have to have a vacationing draw beyond just the bowl game. This is why games on the night of January 1st would be good fits at the NYG (MetLife) stadium, or perhaps at Soldier Field. With both of these locations, there are great festivities (obviously moreso in NYC) on new years eve, and I would anticipate that a lot of people would consider going to NYC for New Years Eve as a legitimate vacation scenario.

    But who would the bowl allegiances be with? B1G vs. ...? Geographically the BEast fits the best, but would the B1G go for a bowl matchup against a BEast team? If it was at Soldier Field, then it could be B1G v. B12, which is a matchup they already have and also works regionally. If held at MetLife stadium, I guess B1G v. ACC. Unless the SEC thinks their base would travel well enough to get up to NYC...

    I think a bowl game at any of the B1G college campuses is virtually out of the question, they just wouldn't have enough draw to justify an extended vacation. It'd definitely have to be Chicago or NYC.

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  • I've never understood the argument of southern teams playing in the north during the cold months at all. Bowls are a reward and playing in the Midwest/north simply isn't a reward in January. Also, if both teams are playing in nice weather theyre both on a level playing field already. The whole thing about it being a home game for LSU if they play in the sugar bowl is silly to me as well. It's up to your fanbase to travel and pay for the tickets. Also the games are played in a stadium not on bourbon street.

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  • I never understood the point of having football games in a baseball stadium either. Yankee Stadium nor Wrigley is ideal for football.

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  • BLUFFTONBUCKNUT said...

    I have always wondered how good alot of these teams would play in a bowl game if they had to play in the colder states in January.

    My guess is they wouldnt be as successful as they have been. You know what though I could be wrong.

    Just imagine them playing at the Shoe, or Ann Arbor or any of the big stadiums up north, that arent in a dome.

    Just food for thought, trying to see what you fans of all teams think about it.

    Thoughts??

    UHM The obvious spoken here! We don't need a thread to point this out REALLY! The NFL already points this out. Teams from the south or dome teams do not do well in the playoffs because of the weather. And for every idiot that says " the saints won it all a couple years ago" remember that year they had home field through out the playoffs. They will not compete with GB this year in GB and need to hope for a Giants victory there.

    I tell my friends every year to look at the super bowl rosters and see how many players on the teams come from the SEC. Even I was astonished when i saw the numbers on that. Arizona vs Pitts. like 8 compared to like 15 from the big10 and 85% of the rosters where made of players from the north. Schools like western mich. and places like that where better represented.

    I have always said The SEC gets you a national Championship. The B1G, Big 12 and Pac get you a superbowl ring. But that's ok. It depends on whats more important to the fan base and recruits.

    I mean i wont lie I am a die hard buckeye fan and would rather when a NC then see the Browns or Bungles win a superbowl. I'm sure there are other fan bases that their college team means more to them than the National Flag football League does.

    mark diaz

  • This entire argument is dumb. Bowl games in the South means no one has an advantage because by then Southern teams are used to the cold there and for Northern teams they get a reprieve from the freezing cold at their school.

    Having bowl games in the North gives Northern teams an advantage.

    Plus, as several others have said, bowl games are a reward. Who would rather play in Ann Arbor/State College in December/January than New Orleans/Miami?

    No one.

    At this point it really just looks like this argument is about being butthurt because the SEC has the last 6 NCs.

    TalHawkins112

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    This entire argument is dumb. Bowl games in the South means no one has an advantage because by then Southern teams are used to the cold there and for Northern teams they get a reprieve from the freezing cold at their school.

    Having bowl games in the North gives Northern teams an advantage.

    Plus, as several others have said, bowl games are a reward. Who would rather play in Ann Arbor/State College in December/January than New Orleans/Miami?

    No one.

    At this point it really just looks like this argument is about being butthurt because the SEC has the last 6 NCs.

    Just curious here - are you indicating that having what essentially amounts to home field advantage....isn't an advantage?

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  • psubills62 said...

    Just curious here - are you indicating that having what essentially amounts to home field advantage....isn't an advantage?

    Dunno, Bama fans made it about 55/45 in the Dome and we had to drive 6 hours to get there while LSU fans had to drive 1.

    If your fanbase is rabid enough then distance won't matter as much.

    I'm really just saying as far as the cold goes that games in the north give northern teams an advantage while games in the south keep it neutral. As far as having people at the game, Northern fans are more likely to go south than Southern fans are likely to go North- giving Northern teams an even greater advantage in games up North.

    TalHawkins112

  • The real question for the bowl games is not "how a team would perform in the cold" but "How many fans would pay to watch a game in the cold..."

    Bowl games are exhibition matches. NFL fans may go out into the cold to watch their team play in the snow late in the season or for a playoff game (the Cincinnati Bengals AFC championship game in the -10/-30 windchill game on the banks of the frozen Ohio River being one example), but that's a far cry from a neutral field exhibition game. If you're going to compare "apples to apples," the question needs to be asked about why the Super Bowl is played either in warm weather or indoors.

    FWIW, there is a history of cold weather (outdoor) bowl games. The Liberty Bowl began in Philadelphia, at Franklin Field. It moved down to Memphis. The Gotham Bowl and later the "Garden State" bowls both went defunct. There is now the "Pinstripe Bowl" being played at New Yankee Stadium, matching up the Big XII and BE, and showing pretty well. But we'll see. The "Humanitarian-Potato" bowl in Boise looks like it won't be around for much longer...

    The question is not about teams playing in the cold, the question is whether anyone would put their butts in a seat to watch them play in the cold.

    JerryKliner

  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Dunno, Bama fans made it about 55/45 in the Dome and we had to drive 6 hours to get there while LSU fans had to drive 1.

    If your fanbase is rabid enough then distance won't matter as much.

    I'm really just saying as far as the cold goes that games in the north give northern teams an advantage while games in the south keep it neutral. As far as having people at the game, Northern fans are more likely to go south than Southern fans are likely to go North- giving Northern teams an even greater advantage in games up North.

    1. Driving 6 hours to a national title game is a terrible argument for why the SEC doesn't have a homefield advantage in bowl games being played in Florida and Louisiana. People driving 14-22 hours (or flying if have the $$) to get to the Gator Bowl, to watch their 8-4 team or whatever, that's dedication.

    2. While I don't necessarily agree with it, you seem to miss the entire argument in your final paragraph. The thought is that teams in the north are generally built to withstand the weather and cold, therefore (in theory) being bigger with not quite as much of an emphasis on speed. Furthermore, the recruits in the home states of the northern teams are likely also going to have some of the same points of strength, with head on ability being valued a little higher than getting to the edge.
    While it's really not my argument to make, saying that teams built for speed don't have an advantage over teams built for cold slugfests when they're playing in a dome or a generally warm climate is simply wrong.

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  • BLUFFTONBUCKNUT said...

    I have always wondered how good alot of these teams would play in a bowl game if they had to play in the colder states in January.

    My guess is they wouldnt be as successful as they have been. You know what though I could be wrong.

    Just imagine them playing at the Shoe, or Ann Arbor or any of the big stadiums up north, that arent in a dome.

    Just food for thought, trying to see what you fans of all teams think about it.

    Thoughts??

    This is only an advantage because only one team would be acclimated to the climate, the other team is not. If you give the teams from the south a month to get acclimated to the climate, the weather would mean as much as this OP. The whole notion that people from the south cannot handle cold weather is just dumb!

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  • jandern3 said...

    1. Driving 6 hours to a national title game is a terrible argument for why the SEC doesn't have a homefield advantage in bowl games being played in Florida and Louisiana. People driving 14-22 hours (or flying if have the $$) to get to the Gator Bowl, to watch their 8-4 team or whatever, that's dedication.

    2. While I don't necessarily agree with it, you seem to miss the entire argument in your final paragraph. The thought is that teams in the north are generally built to withstand the weather and cold, therefore (in theory) being bigger with not quite as much of an emphasis on speed. Furthermore, the recruits in the home states of the northern teams are likely also going to have some of the same points of strength, with head on ability being valued a little higher than getting to the edge. While it's really not my argument to make, saying that teams built for speed don't have an advantage over teams built for cold slugfests when they're playing in a dome or a generally warm climate is simply wrong.

    Walter Peyton was from Jackson State Miss. Donald Driver for the Packers is from Alcorn State Miss. Wallace for the Steelers is from Ole Miss. Rice for Seattle is from South Carolina. Ward for the Steelers is from Georgia. Champ Bailey for the Broncos is from Georgia. Percy Harvin for the Vikings is from Florida. I could go on forever. This cold crap is just that. You do not have to be built like a log truck to play in cold weather. Anyone can get acclimated to any climate.

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    TWright

  • Great place for a bowl game! I-290 in Chicago. I cannot wait!

    This post was edited by TWright on 1/13/2012 at 10:14 AM

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  • TWright said...

    Walter Peyton was from Jackson State Miss. Donald Driver for the Packers is from Alcorn State Miss. Wallace for the Steelers is from Ole Miss. Rice for Seattle is from South Carolina. Ward for the Steelers is from Georgia. Champ Bailey for the Broncos is from Georgia. Percy Harvin for the Vikings is from Florida. I could go on forever. This cold crap is just that. You do not have to be built like a log truck to play in cold weather. Anyone can get acclimated to any climate.

    I never argued that good players were anything less than that, regardless of climate. The issue arises much moreso with the 'fill-in' starters and 2nd stringers. With those types, weather and things of that nature can make a big difference.

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