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Bowl games up north!

  • TWright said...

    This is only an advantage because only one team would be acclimated to the climate, the other team is not. If you give the teams from the south a month to get acclimated to the climate, the weather would mean as much as this OP. The whole notion that people from the south cannot handle cold weather is just dumb!

    If there is a 2-inch layer of snow on the ground, would you rather have the 275-lb athletic OT who can move laterally quickly? Or would you rather have the relatively slow, ungainly, 325-lb behemoth who couldn't move laterally particularly quickly in the first place but has superior strength?

    In my eyes, this situation would cause the 275-lb player to lose his main advantage, which is speed. Meanwhile, the 325-lb player who is finally put on even playing grounds speed-wise, can show off some of this stronger suits such as his head to head strength.

    HOWEVER, the part that I think really causes this whole argument to be somewhat moot, is that it would take faaaaaar too long to go through each 'northern' and 'southern' roster to actually compare scouting reports and the strengths and weaknesses of each player relative to those aspects of the game that truly are impacted by snow and other various weather conditions. Furthermore, unless these cold weather bowls are going to actually happen on a large enough scale for some legitimate analysis, nobody can ever actually know how different players would respond. It would be unfair to say that either side would have a definitive advantage either way.

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  • jandern3 said...

    If bowls in the 'north' are going to work, they have to have a vacationing draw beyond just the bowl game. This is why games on the night of January 1st would be good fits at the NYG (MetLife) stadium, or perhaps at Soldier Field. With both of these locations, there are great festivities (obviously moreso in NYC) on new years eve, and I would anticipate that a lot of people would consider going to NYC for New Years Eve as a legitimate vacation scenario.

    But who would the bowl allegiances be with? B1G vs. ...? Geographically the BEast fits the best, but would the B1G go for a bowl matchup against a BEast team? If it was at Soldier Field, then it could be B1G v. B12, which is a matchup they already have and also works regionally. If held at MetLife stadium, I guess B1G v. ACC. Unless the SEC thinks their base would travel well enough to get up to NYC...

    I think a bowl game at any of the B1G college campuses is virtually out of the question, they just wouldn't have enough draw to justify an extended vacation. It'd definitely have to be Chicago or NYC.

    In truth though.. now many people that travel to Bowl Games sight see? Columbus for instance has Night Life that can compete with anyone as well as things to see. Chicago and New York do not have more Restaurants or Clubs than Columbus.. and the good news is you can stay on Campus and cab or walk to everything without having to leave the area.... the weather is the only drawback but people would still travel IMO.

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  • LMFAO at all the excuses from the Medium 10 fans. I don't hear all these excuses when it comes to the Rose Bowl. I mean it's essentially a home game for the PAC 12 right!? Never hear these ridiculous excuses from anyone out of your pathetic conference.

    Medium 10 fans just being pvussies like their commish. Last time I checked UGA, Bama, and USCe, don't ever play in Jacksonville, Tampa, or Orlando. H3ll neither does UF for that matter. Quit coming up with bull$hit excuses why the Medium 10 continues to disappoint come bowl time.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    LMFAO at all the excuses from the Medium 10 fans. I don't hear all these excuses when it comes to the Rose Bowl. I mean it's essentially a home game for the PAC 12 right!? Never hear these ridiculous excuses from anyone out of your pathetic conference.

    Medium 10 fans just being pvussies like their commish. Last time I checked UGA, Bama, and USCe, don't ever play in Jacksonville, Tampa, or Orlando. H3ll neither does UF for that matter. Quit coming up with bull$hit excuses why the Medium 10 continues to disappoint come bowl time.

    You mad dude!?

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  • Bucks I've been to Columbus.

    Polka clubs don't count.

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    Looks like another perfect day.

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  • Yes I am so pissed that my team has won 2 out of the last 3 National Championships and our conference has won 6 in a row.

    The excuses from everyone outside the SEC are a joke. First it was oversigning, then the BCS wasn't fair, now it's bowl games are home games for the SEC. This is fvcking hysterical.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Yes I am so pissed that my team has won 2 out of the last 3 National Championships and our conference has won 6 in a row.

    The excuses from everyone outside the SEC are a joke. First it was oversigning, then the BCS wasn't fair, now it's bowl games are home games for the SEC. This is fvcking hysterical.

    No, wait, it's still oversigning.

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  • jandern3 said...

    No, wait, it's still oversigning.

    Yep and the Medium 10 does that same thing the SEC does. Every conference does it.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Yep and the Medium 10 does that same thing the SEC does. Every conference does it.

    No, they don't.

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  • jandern3 said...

    If there is a 2-inch layer of snow on the ground, would you rather have the 275-lb athletic OT who can move laterally quickly? Or would you rather have the relatively slow, ungainly, 325-lb behemoth who couldn't move laterally particularly quickly in the first place but has superior strength?

    In my eyes, this situation would cause the 275-lb player to lose his main advantage, which is speed. Meanwhile, the 325-lb player who is finally put on even playing grounds speed-wise, can show off some of this stronger suits such as his head to head strength.

    HOWEVER, the part that I think really causes this whole argument to be somewhat moot, is that it would take faaaaaar too long to go through each 'northern' and 'southern' roster to actually compare scouting reports and the strengths and weaknesses of each player relative to those aspects of the game that truly are impacted by snow and other various weather conditions. Furthermore, unless these cold weather bowls are going to actually happen on a large enough scale for some legitimate analysis, nobody can ever actually know how different players would respond. It would be unfair to say that either side would have a definitive advantage either way.

    Dude this is the SEC is not the WAC, MAC ,or Big East. The OT's range between (6'6" - 6'8") and (305-342) in the SEC. We play big boy ball on an entirely different level in the SEC. The DT's are just as big, but they are extremely fast. Come on get a grip. Maybe we have stumbled on to the B1G's problem. They think that they are playing big boy ball until they play a SEC squad.

    Here are a few OT's

    Bama 311 & 325
    Georgia 338 & 342
    Auburn 305 & 325
    Tenn 305 & 324
    LSU 316 & 329
    Ark 305 & 334

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  • devidee said...

    No, they don't.

    Hmm the Medium Ten commit/signed list says otherwise.

    From '08-11 (4 year period)

    Michigan signed: 20, 24, 22, 27 = 93
    Nebraska: 27+28+20+21 = 96
    Illinois: 23+28+23+21 = 95
    Minnesota: 24+30+20+25 = 99

    Keep spewing your bull$hit to pple that won't call you out, but I clearly see that 4 teams from your weak conference oversign and continue to do so this year.

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    Hmm the Medium Ten commit/signed list says otherwise.

    From '08-11 (4 year period)

    Michigan signed: 20, 24, 22, 27 = 93 Nebraska: 27+28+20+21 = 96 Illinois: 23+28+23+21 = 95 Minnesota: 24+30+20+25 = 99

    Keep spewing your bull$hit to pple that won't call you out, but I clearly see that 4 teams from your weak conference oversign and continue to do so this year.

    You don't even grasp what oversigning means.

    The number that matters is how many scholarships does a school have available. You can sign 30 players and not oversign. Conversely, you can sign 20 and still have oversigned.

    That's why when Saban is asked for the number of scholarships available he responds...

    "It's none of your business, aiight."

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  • devidee said...

    You don't even grasp what oversigning means.

    The number that matters is how many scholarships does a school have available. You can sign 30 players and not oversign. Conversely, you can sign 20 and still have oversigned.

    That's why when Saban is asked for the number of scholarships available he responds...

    "It's none of your business, aiight."

    Apparently you don't either, but hey whatever fits your dumba$$ argument right.

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  • devidee said...

    You don't even grasp what oversigning means.

    The number that matters is how many scholarships does a school have available. You can sign 30 players and not oversign. Conversely, you can sign 20 and still have oversigned.

    That's why when Saban is asked for the number of scholarships available he responds...

    "It's none of your business, aiight."

    oh he mad!

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  • Why would they play bowl games up north when the Big Ten won't even play their conference championship game outside? That's dumb.

    Andrea Doria

  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    LMFAO at all the excuses from the Medium 10 fans. I don't hear all these excuses when it comes to the Rose Bowl. I mean it's essentially a home game for the PAC 12 right!? Never hear these ridiculous excuses from anyone out of your pathetic conference.

    Medium 10 fans just being pvussies like their commish. Last time I checked UGA, Bama, and USCe, don't ever play in Jacksonville, Tampa, or Orlando. H3ll neither does UF for that matter. Quit coming up with bull$hit excuses why the Medium 10 continues to disappoint come bowl time.

    I didnt start this post to make excuses for something. Great the $EC won 6 in a row, starting with a coach who won 2 who is from ohio, that played for cincy, was a GA at Ohio State, then coached Bowling Green. Then there is Les Miles another one from the state of Ohio that coached at Michigan and played at Michigan. Then of course Saban who played for Kent State coached at Toledo, then on to Michigan State.

    So your welcome from the MEDIUM TEN for the top tier coaches the $EC has.

    Oh yeah and the MEDIUM TEN doesnt oversign.

    I started the post out of a curiosity situation because it would be interesting to see how the teams would match up. Dont understand why people have to take a simple post to another level.

    If you think it is stupid dont read it and then post.

    BLUFFTONBUCKNUT

  • BLUFFTONBUCKNUT said...

    I didnt start this post to make excuses for something. Great the $EC won 6 in a row, starting with a coach who won 2 who is from ohio, that played for cincy, was a GA at Ohio State, then coached Bowling Green. Then there is Les Miles another one from the state of Ohio that coached at Michigan and played at Michigan. Then of course Saban who played for Kent State coached at Toledo, then on to Michigan State.

    So your welcome from the MEDIUM TEN for the top tier coaches the $EC has.

    Oh yeah and the MEDIUM TEN doesnt oversign.

    I started the post out of a curiosity situation because it would be interesting to see how the teams would match up. Dont understand why people have to take a simple post to another level.

    If you think it is stupid dont read it and then post.

    The Medium Ten does oversign....might want to research before you post.

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  • Theta Sigma said...

    Who the hell would want to go to Ohio ever?

    FIFY

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  • Seriously, the is the worst idea eva. It's obvious you buttlickers love coming down here bc the interstate is effing full of you dick creams.... Do we migrate? No! Why the fvck would we want to go up there?

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    The Medium Ten does oversign....might want to research before you post.

    You might actually want to do some research because the Big Ten doesn't oversign and have strict rules on recruiting. The reason Michigan's number was so high is because of attrition from the last two coaching staff changes

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  • Super Scooter said...

    Bama got lucky

    That is so funny. I had to give you an upvote on that one. Luck has nothing to do with it. I recorded it if you need to watch it again to refresh your memory.

    jimtom27486

  • jimtom27486 said...

    That is so funny. I had to give you an upvote on that one. Luck has nothing to do with it. I recorded it if you need to watch it again to refresh your memory.

    It's bullshit that a team that didn't even win their own division can win the National Title

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    The Medium Ten does oversign....might want to research before you post.

    Maybe you should show some proof of that. That or STFU

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  • Snake Plissken said...

    Maybe you should show some proof of that. That or STFU

    Ask him for proof and he disappears

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  • Macdaddy7930 said...

    The Medium Ten does oversign....might want to research before you post.

    Monday morning, Big 10 Conference Commissioner, Jim Delany, is scheduled to hold a press conference and announce that the Big 10 Conference is going to back to their pre-2002 rules on oversigning which bans the practice completely by working with a hard cap of 85, and he is going to demand that the NCAA make it a national rule.

    Okay, he's not going to do that, but imagine if he did! Imagine the outrage around the country, especially down in SEC country if Jim Delany tried to do what Mike Slive just did, which was to push his rules on others by trying to make them national rules.

    The pre-2002 rules in the Big 10 were originally created in 1956 and completely banned oversigning by limiting coaches to only being allowed to offer and accept as many scholarships as they had available under the annual maximum roster limit, in present day it is 85. So for example, if a school had 16 scholarship openings come National Signing Day, they could offer and receive 16 signed letters of intent for new scholarships, not 37 Houston Nutt, 16. Talk about making it hard on coaches. Talk about working at a competitive disadvantage. But they did it and they did it 50+ years ago because it was the right thing to do, regardless of what other conferences were doing.

    Continue reading...

    SEC fans have long complained about the snooty northerners from the B1G claiming a moral high ground and looking down their nose while trying to push their ways on the south. Had Jim Delany done what Mike Slive did yesterday, it would be Civil War 2.0 in college football. You can't have it both ways SEC guys, you can't in one breath complain about Jim Delany and the B1G pushing their ways on others while claiming a moral high ground and then in another breath create new rules to deal with a problem that is most rampant in your conference and then demand that everyone else follow suit while claiming a moral high ground and labeling yourself as leaders. That's not how you arrive at a national rule that deals with oversigning. That is how you become hypocritical and lose the moral high ground argument.

    Regardless, the mantra of this site from this day forward will be "how do we create a national rule that completely eliminates oversigning?" The Big 10 conference went without it for 50+ years; it can be done. We need to get back to it and it needs to be the nationwide standard, not this red herring the SEC is floating out there of a soft 25 annual cap that doesn't provide protection for the players when there are only 16 openings and a coach signs 25.

    Each year, college football is becoming less and less of a regional sport. When dealing with the competitive advantage aspect of this issue, once you have ensured that there are no loopholes for exploitation, you have to find a way to make sure everyone is recruiting and signing the same amount of players. Up until 15 years ago, schools were only competing regionally to win their conference and go to an exhibition bowl game against another conference. Conferences had traditional bowl games that they went to every year and that was a reward for winning the conference. Times have changed, everyone is not competing for a spot at their traditional bowl as a reward anymore, everyone is competing for the 2 spots in the BCS national championship game and the remaining spots in the BCS bowl system. The money is bigger and the competition is nation-wide.

    This is the great conundrum of college football. The NCAA, BCS, TV and advertising companies are all trying to take a regional sport and make it national. Very hard to do. Most national, professional sports only have about 30-35 teams total and are regulated entirely by one governing body. In college football you have 120+ teams and 3 governing bodies, NCAA, Conference, and University, and they all want to shape the rules to fit their region and their culture, while at the same time compete for the same championships and the same BCS money. This is a system unlike any other is sports.

    The only solution to continue down the path of making college football a national sport instead of a regional one is to try and develop national rules; you don't do that by having a single conference declare they are creating rules for themselves and then demand that everyone else follow. SEC folks wouldn't stand for that for one second and the rest of the country shouldn't either. There needs to be national discussion that brings everyone to the table to agree on a set of standards regarding the signing process.

    Jim Delany is not calling a press conference Monday, but he needs to call the Mark Emmert at the NCAA and reserve his rightful spot at the negotiations table on oversigning, as do all of the conference commissioners.

    The last thing we need is for any one conference to be in control of oversigning policy creation on a national level, much less the one with the worst track record of abusing the practice. That would be like letting Ohio State dictate national policy on selling memorabilia for tattoos, right?

    Theres your research! Courtesy of oversigning.com! Maybe you should do your research!

    BLUFFTONBUCKNUT