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  • one thing the Braves do well is adapt. im not a Real Braves fan, but i like the team and respect the dynasty they have. they will be fine. plus they have some of the new bloods out there learning right now. "you will see them in the post season".

    "I’m gonna show you how great I am! Last night I cut the light off in the bedroom, hit the switch, was in the bed before the room was dark"!

    AxeManblue

  • I agree with PTCcock that its way to early to panic and the season has 155+ games left but the Braves offense has been bad for years and the front office didn't do anything to make it better this offseason besides hope Heyward plays better. They needed a LF and RHH and someone like Josh Willingham signed with the Twins for 3 yrs and only 21 million. He has a career OPS around .840 and averages 27 HRs over 162 games for his career.

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  • I just wish someone could get it through their thick skulls to work pitchers like the Phillies. When they have their full line up going, there aren't many teams in the past 10-15 years better at only swinging at good pitches to hit and getting starters out of the game early.

    I don't disagree with playing Diaz last night, but dear god, he swung at like 8 of the first 10 pitches he saw. Freeman always swings at the first pitch.

    When they do actually try to work counts they end up taking fastballs down the pipe, swinging at junk for the 2nd strike, and handcuffing themselves into bad at bats. Prado can do it effectively, but if he gets behind in the count he has a tendency to "protect the plate" on just about everything within the same zip code of the strike zone.

    PTCcock195

  • Agree there. Until you get that 2nd strike you should be looking for a specific pitch. Let the pitcher make a mistake. Swinging at pitchers pitches doesn't do any good. I think this comes from management though. Gonzalez saying he doesn't keep up with on base stats and Francour saying until every stadium puts them on the scoreboard he doesn't care. Its been a problem from the front office down for a while now. You would have thought Chippers aoproach would rub off on someone over the years.

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Yankees fan here, but Braves ain't going anywhere with Gonzalez as manager. Personally been to three games under him and all three were losses. Some of his decisions just baffle me.

    Yup.

    And only the Braves would do nothing to their roster after one of the great choke jobs in baseball, especially when the rest of the division went out and made moves to make themselves better. It's not "fine" like they think.

    There are just way too many holes in the everyday lineup.

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  • agree with you , this team has too many holes to make it long term - they needed to make a couple of trades this year and didnt do it and now they are paying the price

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    agree with you , this team has too many holes to make it long term - they needed to make a couple of trades this year and didnt do it and now they are paying the price

    100% correct

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  • shoeless7777 said...

    agree with you , this team has too many holes to make it long term - they needed to make a couple of trades this year and didnt do it and now they are paying the price

    Let's keep holding onto our 8 starting pitchers and completely ignore the fact we have no middle-of-the-order presence and have a gaping hole at SS.

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  • BillyEN4C said...

    You're more delusional than a bammer. Listen to what you just said

    Whatever you don't count cause you want them to fail cause then you will be right

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  • SUGator51 said...

    Let's keep holding onto our 8 starting pitchers and completely ignore the fact we have no middle-of-the-order presence and have a gaping hole at SS.

    Overreacting to rookies hitting early is probably worse than overreacting to a team losing early, but you can't deny that gaping hole did his part with 2 outs and RISP last night.

    The fiasco at 3B with him and Francisco is something you see with a guy in his 4th ML game, playing next to a guy with half a season under his belt, 2nd game on a new team, and neither share the same primary language. Jack Wilson may have reacted quicker to break to 3B making the throw easier to a stationary target, but that's a veteran play. Pastornicky does to need to cool the jets a little on situational throws, but he's gotta be running on adrenaline right now.

    PTCcock195

  • PTCcock195 said...

    Overreacting to rookies hitting early is probably worse than overreacting to a team losing early, but you can't deny that gaping hole did his part with 2 outs and RISP last night.

    The fiasco at 3B with him and Francisco is something you see with a guy in his 4th ML game, playing next to a guy with half a season under his belt, 2nd game on a new team, and neither share the same primary language. Jack Wilson may have reacted quicker to break to 3B making the throw easier to a stationary target, but that's a veteran play. Pastornicky does to need to cool the jets a little on situational throws, but he's gotta be running on adrenaline right now.

    I'm not basing Pastornicky's evaluation off yesterday, the first four games of the year, or even Spring Training. Scouts are in agreement that this kid's ceiling is limited, half of them think he's strictly a utility player.

    He may slap some hits here and there, but are we expecting an OPS north of .700 from a 22-year old rookie that has shown little power in his career? And defensively, the guy had a ton of errors last year in the minors, mostly throwing...scouts also feel he might not have the arm to play there full time.

    I think expecting him to be a league average SS is awfully ambitious.

    This post was edited by SUGator51 on 4/10/2012 at 11:13 AM

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  • ScarletnCream said...

    Win the division then talk smack. Its been fun watching Chipper make the Mets his b!tch for almost two decades.

    It was a pretty pathetic dynasty.

    The Braves have won three world series and they have been in existence since 1871 as one form or the other.

    The Mets have two world series and have only existed since 1962. You would think 91 more years might net more than one extra world series for such a dominating franchise.

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    Overreacting to rookies hitting early is probably worse than overreacting to a team losing early, but you can't deny that gaping hole did his part with 2 outs and RISP last night.

    The fiasco at 3B with him and Francisco is something you see with a guy in his 4th ML game, playing next to a guy with half a season under his belt, 2nd game on a new team, and neither share the same primary language. Jack Wilson may have reacted quicker to break to 3B making the throw easier to a stationary target, but that's a veteran play. Pastornicky does to need to cool the jets a little on situational throws, but he's gotta be running on adrenaline right now.

    You're talking about them like they are talented players that are going through early struggles. Pastornicky is not an everyday MLB SS and probably never will be. Francisco is a strikeout machine that is lazy. This team has major holes everywhere and this isn't just an overreaction after 4 games. I thought the team overachieved greatly last year and fell back to Earth, by not making the playoffs. This years team is almost the same team and I don't think it is a very good team. Combine that with Fredi, and I don't see us even contending for the wild card. We will probably finish over .500, because we have a good pitching staff, but that's it.

    gamecockguy12

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  • BamaLivesFootba said...

    Yankees fan here, but Braves ain't going anywhere with Gonzalez as manager. Personally been to three games under him and all three were losses. Some of his decisions just baffle me.

    F*** the Yankees, but you are completely right about Freddi. Worst pickup for the Braves since Mike Hampton.

    Nicolae

  • Re-read my post. I'm actually prefacing my praise of him driving in a run by saying you can't take too much away from it. I just don't agree with writing him off this early, regardless of scouting reports.

    From what I've seen, I think utility guy is a fair assessment, but a fan can hope.

    PTCcock195

  • SUGator51 said...

    That is FANTASTIC

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    Re-read my post. I'm actually prefacing my praise of him driving in a run by saying you can't take too much away from it. I just don't agree with writing him off this early, regardless of scouting reports.

    From what I've seen, I think utility guy is a fair assessment, but a fan can hope.

    Regardless, Braves did nothing to fix their offense except sit back and hope that their 40 year old 3 hitter can stay healthy for 120+ games, their RF can bounce back from an awful sophomore campain and play like he did when he was a rookie, their LF can bounce back, and their 22 year old SS can play like a 10-year veteran.

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  • SUGator51 said...

    Regardless, Braves did nothing to fix their offense except sit back and hope that their 40 year old 3 hitter can stay healthy for 120+ games, their RF can bounce back from an awful sophomore campain and play like he did when he was a rookie, their LF can bounce back, and their 22 year old SS can play like a 10-year veteran.

    Read my earlier post regarding TV contracts. They're handcuffed for the foreseeable future unless they take a beating on a trade for players they can't re-sign.

    They don't have teams throwing a Hunter Pence at them and can't get involved with big time FAs.

    It sucks, believe me, the Falcons are doing the same thing essentially. Both my favorite pro teams are standing pat with obviously flawed rosters, but I'm gonna still hope for the best.

    BTW, that last post was mostly RE: gamecockguy12. Prob should have quoted.

    This post was edited by PTCcock195 on 4/10/2012 at 2:19 PM

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  • bcal16 said...

    That is FANTASTIC

    agreed

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  • SUGator51 said...

    Bravo clap

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  • PTCcock195 said...

    5 or so years ago...when their TV rights were sold for next to nothing on a 25 year contract and 2 months later the team was sold to a media conglomerate.

    They have to be inward looking, it's the only way the can hold on to a competitive team. With the new TV deals other teams are signing, the Braves payroll at $90 million is eventually going to be bottom 1/3 of the league.

    Something I have never understood about the Braves was why they are so cheap. The have deep pockets that own them, they are in a metro of Five million people, and are the must popular team in at least four states. There is no excuse for them to have such a bad payroll. They should always be top five in the League.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Something I have never understood about the Braves was why they are so cheap. The have deep pockets that own them, they are in a metro of Five million people, and are the must popular team in at least four states. There is no excuse for them to have such a bad payroll. They should always be top five in the League.

    They're essentially owned by a stock price robot that wants to hold serve as long as the checks keep coming in and unload at a profit if it looks like they may start losing money. They made it clear before the season they have no intention of selling in the immediate future. Might as well hold on to one of your winners as long as the economy is unpredictable.

    They basically say "Here's your payroll, we don't care what you do with it" and if there are increases it's enough for some bats and a bucket of balls...or Livan Hernandez, whatever's worth more.

    PTCcock195

  • PTCcock195 said...

    They're essentially owned by a stock price robot that wants to hold serve as long as the checks keep coming in and unload at a profit if it looks like they may start losing money. They made it clear before the season they have no intention of selling in the immediate future. Might as well hold on to one of your winners as long as the economy is unpredictable.

    They basically say "Here's your payroll, we don't care what you do with it" and if there are increases it's enough for some bats and a bucket of balls...or Livan Hernandez, whatever's worth more.

    Yeah I know they are corporate. But if that is corporate's philosophy that is just dumb. Because of the things I mentioned earlier a good or great Braves organization would make an absolute killing.

    TroyTide

  • TroyTide said...

    Something I have never understood about the Braves was why they are so cheap. The have deep pockets that own them, they are in a metro of Five million people, and are the must popular team in at least four states. There is no excuse for them to have such a bad payroll. They should always be top five in the League.

    agreed

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