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CBS Column: Why do white coaches like Skip Holtz...

  • Why do white coaches like Skip Holtz get a second chance while black coaches like Jon Embree do not?

    Gregg Doyel

    Why do white coaches like Holtz get another chance when black ones don't? - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

    Louisiana Tech gives Skip Holtz a second chance after his firing at South Florida, but numbers show that such a chance won't come for ex-Colorado coach Jon Embree, who is African-American. Gregg Doyel says it's a troubling trend.

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    JC Shurburtt

  • Why does everything have to be about race?

    Sgeason56

  • It's a fair question, imo.

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    devidee

  • Maybe white coaches are better than black coaches?

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    DrStache

  • Wonder if he would still be getting jobs if his name was Skip Adams

    Daup

  • I know a lot of Black Coaches don't get second chances but Embree was a straight up TERRIBLE coach.

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    Lesticals

  • Lets dig into the race issue as this article and every article that has anything to do with this wants us to do. Maybe the only answer is, on average, whatever the circumstances that lead to this is.....Whites are smarter than African Americans. Seems ridiculous doesn't it. It probably is but this article wants us to discuss these things, therefore race will always be an issue.

    Average ACT scores nationally

    White: 22.4
    African American: 17

    Average SAT scores nationally

    White: 1580
    African American: 1277

    Well, there it is. There's your answer. Be it bad luck, urban disadvantages, history, whatever..... Whites, on average are smarter. African Americans for the most part or more physically gifted. That's why 85% of sports are dominated by African Americans.

    Do I believe any of this? No. Are the facts there to suggest it? Yes. This kind of thing would t even cross my mind if not for articles such as this.

    This post was edited by DrStache on 12/14/2012 at 10:39 AM

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    DrStache

  • Mr.Stache said...

    Lets dig into the race issue as this article and every article that has anything to do with this wants us to do. Maybe the only answer is, on average, whatever the circumstances that lead to this is.....Whites are smarter than African Americans. Seems ridiculous doesn't it. It probably is but this article wants us to discuss these things, therefore race will always be an issue.

    Average ACT scores nationally

    White: 22.4
    African American: 17

    Average SAT scores nationally

    White: 1580
    African American: 1277

    Well, there it is. There's your answer. Be it bad luck, urban disadvantages, history, whatever..... Whites, on average are smarter. African Americans for the most part or more physically gifted. That's why 85% of sports are dominated by African Americans.

    Do I believe any of this? No. Are the facts there to suggest it? Yes. This kind of thing would t even cross my mind if not for articles such as this.

    BOOOOOM!

    /thread

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  • Lesticals said...

    I know a lot of Black Coaches don't get second chances but Embree was a straight up TERRIBLE coach.

    Skip Holtz is a terrible coach Just like Charlie Weis, Gene Chizik and many others.
    It's ok their white.

    z28 foody

  • Daup said...

    Wonder if he would still be getting jobs if his name was Skip Adams

    Probably not.

    UTK66

  • z28 foody said...

    Skip Holtz is a terrible coach Just like Charlie Weis, Gene Chizik and many others.
    It's ok their white.

    No it's bc his last name is Holtz

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  • Lesticals said...

    it's bc his last name is Holtz

    Agree.

    z28 foody

  • Lesticals said...

    No it's bc his last name is Holtz

    He did win back to back CUSA titles with ECU. I'm not saying he's a great coach, but that at least shows he has the ability to win championships.

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    Murrdawg69

  • Mr.Stache said...

    Lets dig into the race issue as this article and every article that has anything to do with this wants us to do. Maybe the only answer is, on average, whatever the circumstances that lead to this is.....Whites are smarter than African Americans. Seems ridiculous doesn't it. It probably is but this article wants us to discuss these things, therefore race will always be an issue.

    Average ACT scores nationally

    White: 22.4 African American: 17

    Average SAT scores nationally

    White: 1580 African American: 1277

    Well, there it is. There's your answer. Be it bad luck, urban disadvantages, history, whatever..... Whites, on average are smarter. African Americans for the most part or more physically gifted. That's why 85% of sports are dominated by African Americans.

    Do I believe any of this? No. Are the facts there to suggest it? Yes. This kind of thing would t even cross my mind if not for articles such as this.

    What do you mean you don't believe it? The stats are right there in front of you. I don't know why people feel the need to tip toe around these subjects. White people, on average, are smarter than black people. Do a lot of white people have more advantages to help them become smarter? Of course.

    However, black people are by and large better athletes and better dancers than white people. They also have larger johnsons.

    I don't understand why people are so skittish when discussing racial matters. Asians are largely smarter than white people but they have smaller johnsons. It seems there is an indirect correlation between intellect and johnson size. Judging by the average white person's ACT score, my intellect is above average by a few points (got a 25). Also, I'm convinced my johnson is a little on the below average size. Therefore, the data is proven to be accurate.

    I think this is the conversation Gregg Doyel was trying to get started.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by HADOUKEN on 12/14/2012 at 3:30 PM

    HADOUKEN

  • z28 foody said...

    Skip Holtz is a terrible coach Just like Charlie Weis, Gene Chizik and many others.
    It's ok their white.

    You must be one of those not so smart guys that made a 17 on your ACT? ... You clearly don't know what THEY'RE talking about ... Is that you Rob Parker?

    JA4225


  • z28 foody said...

    Skip Holtz is a terrible coach Just like Charlie Weis, Gene Chizik and many others.
    It's ok their white.
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    JA4225 said...

    You must be one of those not so smart guys that made a 17 on your ACT? ... You clearly don't know what THEY'RE talking about ... Is that you Rob Parker?
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    per rtr13's post.......he has a much bigger johnson than you^^^^...so you got that going for you

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    BritBrant

  • BritBrant said...

    z28 foody said...

    Skip Holtz is a terrible coach Just like Charlie Weis, Gene Chizik and many others.
    It's ok their white.
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    JA4225 said...

    You must be one of those not so smart guys that made a 17 on your ACT? ... You clearly don't know what THEY'RE talking about ... Is that you Rob Parker?
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    per rtr13's post.......he has a much bigger johnson than you^^^^...so you got that going for you

    I like way you think.

    z28 foody

  • JA4225 said...

    You must be one of those not so smart guys that made a 17 on your ACT? ... You clearly don't know what THEY'RE talking about ... Is that you Rob Parker?

    Racist

    z28 foody

  • I will say this.. Black coaches don't get the chances us white folk get. Sad but true.. There's a TON of black assistant coaches though. It's a sensitive issue, I don't think owners and AD's are not hiring people because they're black though.

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    Lesticals

  • z28 foody said...

    Racist

    Retard

    JA4225

  • JA4225 said...

    Retard

    Pussy and Raciest

    z28 foody

  • devidee said...

    It's a fair question, imo.

    It is a question with an agenda. What good does it do to even answer the question, when those reading the answer will read what they want to read?

    The issue is a dumb one. No answer will suffice for those with an agenda....

    WRobins

  • z28 foody said...

    Pussy and Raciest

    Wtf is a "raciest"? Haha you little illiterate ass hat.

    JA4225

  • It's good our country is obsessed with race and is constantly brought up in any and all situations by all parties. No nation or country has ever had long term destructive problems with race so it's good we make sure to keep ourselves full of fear and division. Nope, our future looks bright indeed.

    "We don't care about anything but winning. No one cares about ethical standards thats for losers..." BUCKNUTS 21 self trolling.

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