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Can Oregon stay elite?

  • Teams like Bama, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. have always been good, and probably always will be good, but can a school like Oregon join that guard? Or would we compare their run in college football more to the likes of Colorado is the early 90s?

    JessicaDorrell

  • as soon as Phil Knight dies they are effed.

    This post was edited by supermario9 on 4/26/2012 at 6:23 PM

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  • Easily with all that NIKE money.

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  • JessicaDorrell said...

    Teams like Bama, Texas, Oklahoma, etc. have always been good, and probably always will be good, but can a school like Oregon join that guard? Or would we compare their run in college football more to the likes of Colorado is the early 90s?

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  • A lot will depend on what the NCAA does with the Lyles case. If there were rampant violations and they get hammered the ability to get oos recruits might be significantly decreased. Oregon loses Texas and So Cal and they're back to WSU status.

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  • No, they capitalized on Chip Kelly innovating a very creative offense that caught everyone they played offguard, and USC:

    A.) having their stud QB leave early forcing Barkley to start as a true frosh
    B.) getting hit with huge sanctions and a complete change of coaching staffs.
    C.) the new staffs plan to front load those sanctions by redshirting almost all of their frosh recruits in '10 and '11, making them very thin.

    Now that this is over, Oregon will not recruit well enough to keep pace. Their gimmick offense is being matched by smaller and faster players on defense. As more teams in the pac move to the zone read, preparing for them in one week will be much less difficult.

    They are going to continue to be a good team, but not elite without a recruiting base.

    Alonzo Harris ●

  • Under Review said...

    A lot will depend on what the NCAA does with the Lyles case. If there were rampant violations and they get hammered the ability to get oos recruits might be significantly decreased. Oregon loses Texas and So Cal and they're back to WSU status.

    Especially considering they aren't in Bama, Texas, Oklahama caliber in recruiting right now.

    They recruit really good right now, but not consistently elite. Texas has no problems with all the talent around them, Bama has been recruiting great since Saban got here, etc. but before the sanctions Oregon isn't recruiting at an 'elite' level and that will catch up to them in big games IMO.

    With bad sanctions like I've seen rumored they'll be an 8-9 win team for 6-10 years.

    TalHawkins112

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    No, they capitalized on Chip Kelly innovating a very creative offense that caught everyone they played offguard, and USC:

    A.) having their stud QB leave early forcing Barkley to start as a true frosh B.) getting hit with huge sanctions and a complete change of coaching staffs. C.) the new staffs plan to front load those sanctions by redshirting almost all of their frosh recruits in '10 and '11, making them very thin.

    Now that this is over, Oregon will not recruit well enough to keep pace. Their gimmick offense is being matched by smaller and faster players on defense. As more teams in the pac move to the zone read, preparing for them in one week will be much less difficult.

    They are going to continue to be a good team, but not elite without a recruiting base.

    Ms. Dorrell agrees. Can anyone see them returning to like pre-1994 status?

    JessicaDorrell

  • JessicaDorrell said...

    Ms. Dorrell agrees. Can anyone see them returning to like pre-1994 status?

    No, too much money. They will continue to be good, just not elite.

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    Especially considering they aren't in Bama, Texas, Oklahama caliber in recruiting right now.

    they are very good out west but i wouldnt call them elite .

    very fast team & fun to watch vs PAC10 D's but not enough upfront year in year out .

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  • lol An Oregon fan creating a new profile to ask a question about his team.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    No, too much money. They will continue to be good, just not elite.

    Like I said, I agree with you, but if they start going 8-4, the money won't keep flowing in. And ole' Phil can't live forever, even though he's probably got a nice little trust fund set up for the Ducks.

    JessicaDorrell

  • JessicaDorrell said...

    Like I said, I agree with you, but if they start going 8-4, the money won't keep flowing in. And ole' Phil can't live forever, even though he's probably got a nice little trust fund set up for the Ducks.

    He gives more money to his other alma mater...Stanford, only it's for academics. Where do you think his money will go better to establish a long term legacy? I say Stanford.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    He gives more money to his other alma mater...Stanford, only it's for academics. Where do you think his money will go better to establish a long term legacy? I say Stanford.

    lulz. Agreed.

    JessicaDorrell

  • usctrojan1 said...

    He gives more money to his other alma mater...Stanford, only it's for academics. Where do you think his money will go better to establish a long term legacy? I say Stanford.

    He actually gives more money to Oregon. However he has spent quite a bit on a couple of Stanford projects.

    In answer to this question...Oregon will remain at or near the top in the Pac, as long as the coaching in that conference continues to be mediocre to bad. Tedford seems to be tired, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, WSU, Washington,have gone through more coaches in the past decade than Oregon has in 30 years, and frankly unlike the USC fans, I am completely unimpressed with what Kiffen has done at USC, considering there are more 5 star recruits on each side of the ball, than the entire rest of the conference put together.

    Its not so much that Oregon has been elite...its more that they have been elite when compared to how mediocre this conference has become.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    He actually gives more money to Oregon. However he has spent quite a bit on a couple of Stanford projects.

    In answer to this question...Oregon will remain at or near the top in the Pac, as long as the coaching in that conference continues to be mediocre to bad. Tedford seems to be tired, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, WSU, Washington,have gone through more coaches in the past decade than Oregon has in 30 years, and frankly unlike the USC fans, I am completely unimpressed with what Kiffen has done at USC, considering there are more 5 star recruits on each side of the ball, than the entire rest of the conference put together.

    Its not so much that Oregon has been elite...its more that they have been elite when compared to how mediocre this conference has become.

    Your program is not an NFL factory, nor do they prepare kids for the next level....too bad, oregon used to. You play a video game version of football, never to go further than the college level.

    All it takes is a good NFL style defense to shut it down. Your bowl record reflects that.

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/26/2012 at 9:27 PM

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Your program is not an NFL factory, nor do they prepare kids for the next level....too bad, oregon used to. You play a video game version of football, never to go further than the college level.

    All it takes is a good NFL style defense to shut it down. Your bowl record reflects that.

    What did any of that have to do with what I said?

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    What did any of that have to do with what I said?

    Oregon is not elite.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    He actually gives more money to Oregon. However he has spent quite a bit on a couple of Stanford projects.

    In answer to this question...Oregon will remain at or near the top in the Pac, as long as the coaching in that conference continues to be mediocre to bad. Tedford seems to be tired, Stanford, Arizona, ASU, WSU, Washington,have gone through more coaches in the past decade than Oregon has in 30 years, and frankly unlike the USC fans, I am completely unimpressed with what Kiffen has done at USC, considering there are more 5 star recruits on each side of the ball, than the entire rest of the conference put together.

    Its not so much that Oregon has been elite...its more that they have been elite when compared to how mediocre this conference has become.

    I'd say coaching a team with 40 something players without a bowl game to beat a team with an NC berth on the line in their house is a pretty good job.

    The 5 stars were great until they ran out of gas in the 4th quarter because Kiffin couldn't rotate all of the kids he was redshirting. Same thing happened in 2010 during every loss we had outside of Oregon State.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    I am completely unimpressed with what Kiffen has done at USC, considering there are more 5 star recruits on each side of the ball, than the entire rest of the conference put together.

    All that means is Kiffin has out recruited Kelly and that's part of the game slick.

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  • Under Review said...

    All that means is Kiffin has out recruited Kelly and that's part of the game slick.

    USC has always out recruited the rest of the conference by a huge margin. Its not Kiffens doing.

    AlwaysMore

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    I'd say coaching a team with 40 something players without a bowl game to beat a team with an NC berth on the line in their house is a pretty good job.

    The 5 stars were great until they ran out of gas in the 4th quarter because Kiffin couldn't rotate all of the kids he was redshirting. Same thing happened in 2010 during every loss we had outside of Oregon State.

    Bull crap. That was USC's bowl game.

    And the entire season was one example after another of Kiffen and the USC staff doing ZERO second half adjustments. USC was not gassed...they had run out of ideas.

    And Oregon was up by 12 at the half in 2010 against USC. Were they "Gassed" in the second quarter?

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    USC has always out recruited the rest of the conference by a huge margin. Its not Kiffens doing.

    Lane and Ed Orgeron admit that, and say it every chance they get....USC recruits itself.

    Why? Pro Style offense in the 2nd largest media market in the country, the beach, and a private school education...and all that history and tradition of sending players to the NFL.

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  • usctrojan1 said...

    Lane and Ed Orgeron admit that, and say it every chance they get....USC recruits itself.

    Why? Pro Style offense in the 2nd largest media market in the country, the beach, and a private school education...and all that history and tradition of sending players to the NFL.

    Yeah...exactly. The issue has been, with talent better than the entire rest of the conference, they have managed to lose games to bad teams every single year. There are always the excuses, but while you belittle Oregons bowl record, the worst team they have lost to since Chip Kelly came aboard was the 2011 USC Trojans.

    During that same time period, USC has lost to.

    5-7 Washington
    8-5 Arizona and Stanford
    7-6 Washington
    5-7 Oregon State
    8-5 Notre Dame
    6-7 ASU

    Every single one of those losses is because of bad coaching. Either Pete Carroll checking out, or Lane Kiffen being mediocre.

    AlwaysMore

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