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Can Oregon stay elite?

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Yep...and its more than any player on USC's team, has. Strange how that works, isnt it?

    I guess Matt Barkley stays upbeat by remembering that ten years ago Carson Palmer won the Pac-10. Maybe Carson can show Matt and company his Pac-10 championship ring........then they would have some idea what one looks like. Since none of those guys have seen one recently.

    You left out Matt Leinart who whipped yo quacker ass.

    This post was edited by usctrojan1 on 4/27/2012 at 12:14 AM

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    I dont think its likely that Oregon can maintain this level for much longer....just too many obstacles of location and the simple fact that eventually Washington, or USC or UCLA is going to stumble on a bright, driven coach who takes the talent those schools get so easily, and makes them fulfill their potential. The day Oregon doesnt have that clear coaching advantage, is the day that Oregon falls back, because their talent is never as good as those teams.

    Very honest analysis. Do you think there will come a time where that Nike factor isn't such a big deal, or when Phil's money kind of runs dry for you guys?

    JessicaDorrell

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    6-1 in BCS games bud, those are big games. 2-1 in NC games.

    19-1 against Ohio State, Texas, Auburn, Arkansas, Michigan, Notre Dame, Penn State, and Nebraska in that span.

    Oh yeah Dixon got hurt wahhhhhhhhhhh. You seem to forget he beat SC's backup qb, but we weren't crying about it.

    USC was in three NC games? So if Michigan had beaten USC in the 2004 Rose Bowl, they would have been national champs?

    Wow, that WAS a big game, wasnt it? A two loss Michigan team could have won the national championship!!!

    AlwaysMore

  • JessicaDorrell said...

    Very honest analysis. Do you think there will come a time where that Nike factor isn't such a big deal, or when Phil's money kind of runs dry for you guys?

    Its hard to tell.....simple inertia from all he has built will keep Oregon going for a long time. Its not like he pours money into the program continually. There are no major projects needed for the programs future at least a decade out.

    It wont be the lack of money that ends Oregons run. It will be one of two things.

    Oregon getting NCAA hammered.

    SOMEONE in this bad conference starts taking the sport seriously. A quarter of the conference changes coaches in the off season, and the only interesting hire is up in Washington State? UCLA ends up with Jim Mora jr? Todd Graham at ASU? Yeah maybe they do well, but its not exactly getting Urban Meyer, now is it? Its classic for the PAC, though. They have had second rate coaching throughout the conference for quite a while now.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Its hard to tell.....simple inertia from all he has built will keep Oregon going for a long time. Its not like he pours money into the program continually. There are no major projects needed for the programs future at least a decade out.

    It wont be the lack of money that ends Oregons run. It will be one of two things.

    Oregon getting NCAA hammered.

    SOMEONE in this bad conference starts taking the sport seriously. A quarter of the conference changes coaches in the off season, and the only interesting hire is up in Washington State? UCLA ends up with Jim Mora jr? Todd Graham at ASU? Yeah maybe they do well, but its not exactly getting Urban Meyer, now is it? Its classic for the PAC, though. They have had second rate coaching throughout the conference for quite a while now.

    LOL! You can't be serious...you have been smoking some pretty powerful stuff in that trailer park you live in.

    USC has one the most storied programs in the history of college football....we're down a few years and all of a sudden, some backwoods fan of a gimmick program that has accomplished zero on the national stage, has not sent players to the NFL for all those 3 straight conference championshlps you're bragging about. LOL!

    You are a seriously delusional buffoon.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Its hard to tell.....simple inertia from all he has built will keep Oregon going for a long time. Its not like he pours money into the program continually. There are no major projects needed for the programs future at least a decade out.

    It wont be the lack of money that ends Oregons run. It will be one of two things.

    Oregon getting NCAA hammered.

    SOMEONE in this bad conference starts taking the sport seriously. A quarter of the conference changes coaches in the off season, and the only interesting hire is up in Washington State? UCLA ends up with Jim Mora jr? Todd Graham at ASU? Yeah maybe they do well, but its not exactly getting Urban Meyer, now is it? Its classic for the PAC, though. They have had second rate coaching throughout the conference for quite a while now.

    The inertia comment is very true. Well one the main reasons you guys have been successful is because of money. No disrespect, again. I may be wrong, but when he passes I feel like the Ducks football program will have a different feel to them. He really pushes to make that program (and your other sports programs) great. When he dies, I feel like that will set the Ducks back. Could be wrong, but it just makes sense IMO.

    JessicaDorrell

  • AlwaysMore said...

    USC was in three NC games? So if Michigan had beaten USC in the 2004 Rose Bowl, they would have been national champs?

    Wow, that WAS a big game, wasnt it? A two loss Michigan team could have won the national championship!!!

    Oh now you're talking about what ifs huh? Damn you are the biggest hypocrite on this site. What's next? That wasn't a NC game because we won the AP?

    Why don't you go ahead and name another program that does it better than USC if we are underachievers that can't play in big games.

    Alonzo Harris

  • AlwaysMore said...

    USC was in three NC games? So if Michigan had beaten USC in the 2004 Rose Bowl, they would have been national champs?

    Wow, that WAS a big game, wasnt it? A two loss Michigan team could have won the national championship!!!

    a Michigan team that Oregon actually beat in Autzen, by the way.

    That team was pretty loaded too...

    Braylon Edwards, WR (#3 pick in NFL draft), Chris Perry, RB (1st round pick), David Baas, Guard (2nd round pick), Steve Breaston, WR (5th round pick), Jason Avant, WR (4th round pick), Tim Massaqoui, TE (7th round pick), Tony Pape, Tackle (7th round pick), John Navarre, QB (7th round pick), Marlin Jackson, CB (1st round pick), Leon Hall, CB - started as a true frosh (1st round pick), LaMarr Woodley, DE - started as a true frosh (2nd round pick), Gabe Watson (4th round pick)

    supermario9

  • usctrojan1 said...

    LOL! You can't be serious...you have been smoking some pretty powerful stuff in that trailer park you live in.

    USC has one the most storied programs in the history of college football....we're down a few years and all of a sudden, some backwoods fan of a gimmick program that has accomplished zero on the national stage, has not sent players to the NFL for all those 3 straight conference championshlps you're bragging about. LOL!

    You are a seriously delusional buffoon.

    Ummmm...what did I say to offend you? Even if you take Kiffen out of the list of mediocre to bad coaches, are you going to defend the other coaches in the conference the last half decade or so? Stoops at Arizona? Erickson at ASU? Neuheisal at UCLA? Wulff at WSU??? Sarkisian has had his moments in Seattle, but in four years he has not been able to field a defense....how many years do you need? Yeah Harbaugh was one of the best college coaches I have seen in a long while, but he will not be at Stanford ever again.

    This conference does not take the need for quality coaching as seriously as most other conferences. It has been especially bad the last decade.

    You REALLY need to learn to respond to the actual content I write. This is the second time in this thread where you seem to lose your medication and go on a completely unrelated tangent.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Ummmm...what did I say to offend you? Even if you take Kiffen out of the list of mediocre to bad coaches, are you going to defend the other coaches in the conference the last half decade or so? Stoops at Arizona? Erickson at ASU? Neuheisal at UCLA? Wulff at WSU??? Sarkisian has had his moments in Seattle, but in four years he has not been able to field a defense....how many years do you need? Yeah Harbaugh was one of the best college coaches I have seen in a long while, but he will not be at Stanford ever again.

    This conference does not take the need for quality coaching as seriously as most other conferences. It has been especially bad the last decade.

    You REALLY need to learn to respond to the actual content I write. This is the second time in this thread where you seem to lose your medication and go on a completely unrelated tangent.

    Look quacker...as a Trojan of over 40 years, we have had to fight against the perception of a weak conference referred to as the PAC-1 (USC was referred to as the "1"), we basically had to beat every OOC team we've played to overcome that.

    USC is a traditional powerhouse, in spite of the rest of the PAC...the only program to consistently carry the banner for the conference.

    TILL you can do that, you're beloved quackers are simply a flash in the pan, and go the way of the others that have floated in and out of relevance in this conference.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Oh now you're talking about what ifs huh? Damn you are the biggest hypocrite on this site. What's next? That wasn't a NC game because we won the AP?

    Why don't you go ahead and name another program that does it better than USC if we are underachievers that can't play in big games.

    So you start claiming national championship games that didnt exist, then get all pissy at me when I call you on it. Its a national championship game if BOTH teams can win that title. Otherwise why dont you just call every game from that season a national championship game, because if you had lost any of them, you would not have won that title

    And you underachieve in relation to the talent you have. Oregon has not lost to a team with fewer than eight wins in four seasons....USC has done that four times in that period. And every one of those years, USC has had MUCH more raw talent on the field than Oregon has ever had.

    AlwaysMore

  • usctrojan1 said...

    Look quacker...as a Trojan of over 40 years, we have had to fight against the perception of a weak conference referred to as the PAC-1 (USC was referred to as the "1"), we basically had to beat every OOC team we've played to overcome that.

    USC is a traditional powerhouse, in spite of the rest of the PAC...the only program to consistently carry the banner for the conference.

    TILL you can do that, you're beloved quackers are simply a flash in the pan, and go the way of the others that have floated in and out of relevance in this conference.

    It IS a weak conference. Last season had three great teams one decent team and eight teams that ran the gamut from bad to all time dreadful.

    You have been a fan for over forty years, and you respond on college message boards to any critiques or discussions about the sport like a 12 year old who is being told Santa doesnt exist?

    I am being very serious here. You dont seem to be able to discuss stuff like this without becoming really disjointed. Do yourself a favor, and read what you wrote in this last message.......then compare it to me pointing out how bad the overall conference was last year. Your response makes no sense......what the hell does any of what you wrote have to do with bad coaching in the Pac the last few years?

    AlwaysMore

  • usctrojan1 said...

    Look quacker...as a Trojan of over 40 years, we have had to fight against the perception of a weak conference referred to as the PAC-1 (USC was referred to as the "1"), we basically had to beat every OOC team we've played to overcome that.

    USC is a traditional powerhouse, in spite of the rest of the PAC...the only program to consistently carry the banner for the conference.

    TILL you can do that, you're beloved quackers are simply a flash in the pan, and go the way of the others that have floated in and out of relevance in this conference.

    Oregon participates in a few BCS games, wins their first Rose Bowl in 95 years and their fans start getting beside themselves.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    So you start claiming national championship games that didnt exist, then get all pissy at me when I call you on it. Its a national championship game if BOTH teams can win that title. Otherwise why dont you just call every game from that season a national championship game, because if you had lost any of them, you would not have won that title

    And you underachieve in relation to the talent you have. Oregon has not lost to a team with fewer than eight wins in four seasons....USC has done that four times in that period. And every one of those years, USC has had MUCH more raw talent on the field than Oregon has ever had.

    Cool story, Fine still 19-1 in big games against a slate of blue bloods is pretty impressive for a team that can't seem to get to one.

    Name a program that doesn't underwhelm in relation to talent from time to time. Go ahead. Name a program so iron clad that they don't have bad seasons.

    Saban went 7-6 at Alabama. What a horrible coach. He lost to Louisiana Monroe, and then Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Terrible coach huh? Les Miles went 8-5 at LSU and almost lost to Troy. Urban Meyer went 8-5 at Florida and lost to Mississippi State. Awful coach. Bob Stoops went 8-4 at Oklahoma and lost to TCU. Fire him.

    Alonzo Harris

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    Cool story, Fine still 19-1 in big games against a slate of blue bloods is pretty impressive for a team that can't seem to get to one.

    Name a program that doesn't underwhelm in relation to talent from time to time. Go ahead. Name a program so iron clad that they don't have bad seasons.

    Saban went 7-6 at Alabama. What a horrible coach. He lost to Louisiana Monroe, and then Utah in the Sugar Bowl. Terrible coach huh? Les Miles went 8-5 at LSU and almost lost to Troy. Urban Meyer went 8-5 at Florida and lost to Mississippi State. Awful coach. Bob Stoops went 8-4 at Oklahoma and lost to TCU. Fire him.

    Its not time to time....its every year since that Texas loss.

    Miles and Stoops improved their teams after those bad years. USC has been stuck with the same script since 2006. Find a way to lose to a team with half the talent every single year without fail. The fact that those losses have cost the program so many chances at national championships is just tragic. The fact that you seem to shrug them off as meaning nothing, because you can beat Ohio State in an OOC game is just baffling.

    AlwaysMore

  • AlwaysMore said...

    Its not time to time....its every year since that Texas loss.

    Miles and Stoops improved their teams after those bad years. USC has been stuck with the same script since 2006. Find a way to lose to a team with half the talent every single year without fail. The fact that those losses have cost the program so many chances at national championships is just tragic. The fact that you seem to shrug them off as meaning nothing, because you can beat Ohio State in an OOC game is just baffling.

    Going undefeated isn't easy. If it was Oregon would have done it. Talent isn't everything. Have you ever heard the expression "on any given day"?

    Boise St, LSU, in the first game and that's just the last two seasons. Yes they were great programs but why couldn't you win the big one to start the season? USC has traditionally gone out and taken care of business ooc, Oregon can't at least without homer officials.

    Being expected to win and getting everyone's A game is a lot different than being the gutty little duckies as you are starting to find out. USC gave you your first lesson last season losing to a 14 pt dog.

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  • AlwaysMore said...

    Its not time to time....its every year since that Texas loss.

    Miles and Stoops improved their teams after those bad years. USC has been stuck with the same script since 2006. Find a way to lose to a team with half the talent every single year without fail. The fact that those losses have cost the program so many chances at national championships is just tragic. The fact that you seem to shrug them off as meaning nothing, because you can beat Ohio State in an OOC game is just baffling.

    Really?

    USC

    2004: 13-0
    2005: 12-1
    2006: 11-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Oregon State and UCLA
    2007: 11-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Oregon and Stanford
    2008: 12-1 with a loss to a lesser talented Oregon State
    2009: 9-4 with a loss to a lesser talented UW, Oregon, and Arizona
    2010: 8-5 with a loss to a lesser talented Oregon, UW, and Oregon State
    2011: 10-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Arizona State

    Oklahoma
    2006: 11-3 with a loss to a lesser talented Oregon and Boise State
    2007: 11-3 with a loss to a lesser talented Colorado, Texas Tech, and West Virginia
    2008: 12-2
    2009: 8-4 with a loss to lesser talented BYU, Miami, Texas Tech, and Nebraska
    2010: 12-2 with a loss to lesser talented Missouri and aTm
    2011: 10-3 with a loss to a lesser talented Baylor, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State

    LSU:

    2005: 11-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Tennessee team
    2006: 11-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Auburn team
    2007 : 12-2
    2008: 8-5 with a loss to a lesser talented Ole Miss and Arkansas, barely beat Troy
    2009: 9-4 with a loss to a lesser talented Ole Miss and Penn State
    2010: 11-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Arkansas
    2011: 12-1

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Alonzo Harris on 4/27/2012 at 1:34 AM

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  • I'll throw in Alabama under Saban:

    2007: 7-6 with a loss to a lesser talented Louisiana Monroe and Ole Miss
    2008: 12-2 with a loss to a lesser talented Utah
    2009: 14-0
    2010: 10-3 with a loss to a lesser talented South Carolina, LSU, and Auburn
    2011: 13-1 with a loss to a lesser talented LSU

    Alonzo Harris

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