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Can you be a MVP if you cant come through in the 4th quarter

  • Alonzo Harris said...

    He contested the shot. Pierce made a tough shot with a hand in his face, thats good defense and a good shot. You wanna compare what Pierce did Tuesday to what LeBron did?

    I just want to compare Pierce being up 3-2.The shot wasn't really that tough to be honest.He got more than enough airspace to get it off even at his advanced age.The contest was for show like most NBA contested shots.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Yo do a Kobe side by side.

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  • LJ is the best player in the league which makes him the best in the world....

    LJ is no where near the most valuable player in the league.....just not....they are two separate titles as different as night and day.....

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  • Bengalfan said...

    LJ is the best player in the league which makes him the best in the world....

    LJ is no where near the most valuable player in the league.....just not....they are two separate titles as different as night and day.....

    I could see that argument a little now that he is on the Heat. When he was with Cavs there was little doubt he was the MVP when he won it.

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  • Alonzo Harris said...

    He contested the shot. Pierce made a tough shot with a hand in his face, thats good defense and a good shot. You wanna compare what Pierce did Tuesday to what LeBron did?

    Ya Pierce's team won.

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  • IrishImpact said...

    Ya Pierce's team won.

    I don't think he asked if you want to compare what their teams did... Pretty sure he just wants to compare what the two players individually did.

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  • Since people want to keep bringing Kobe up,here is a side by side of Kobe's and LeBron's top 3 seasons.

    Kobe Points APG RPG FT% 3P% FG% S B ALL NBA ALL NBA D

    30 6 7 84 38 45 2 1 1ST 1ST

    35 5 5 85 34 45 2 0 1ST 1ST

    32 5 6 86 34 46 1 1 1ST 1ST

    LBJ

    31 7 7 73 33 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    30 7 8 71 31 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    29 9 7 76 33 50 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    This post was edited by usctrojanglory on 6/7/2012 at 5:56 PM

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  • kitemac said...

    I don't think he asked if you want to compare what their teams did... Pretty sure he just wants to compare what the two players individually did.

    Well in that case Kobe scored 81 and that's greater than anything LeBron has ever done.See how that works?

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    Since people want to keep bringing Kobe up,here is a side by side of Kobe's and LeBron's top 3 seasons.

    Kobe Points APG RPG FT% 3P% FG% S B ALL NBA ALL NBA D

    30 6 7 84 38 45 2 1 1ST 1ST

    35 5 5 85 34 45 2 0 1ST 1ST

    32 5 6 86 34 46 1 1 1ST 1ST

    LBJ

    31 7 7 73 33 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    30 7 8 71 31 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    29 9 7 76 33 50 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    How about Kobe's Championships to Lebrons?

    That IS how we measure how good players are in basketball..Always been that way.

    Dirk had all the criticism in the world, labeled a choker and many other things.. Until he got his ring.. The "haters" were silenced.

    That's the only thing that will make people stfu about Lebron.. A ring.

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  • Lesticals said...

    How about Kobe's Championships to Lebrons?

    That IS how we measure how good players are in basketball..Always been that way.

    Dirk had all the criticism in the world, labeled a choker and many other things.. Until he got his ring.. The "haters" were silenced.

    That's the only thing that will make people stfu about Lebron.. A ring.

    5 ringz,better scorer,more clutch,better shotter also.They can have dudes passing and rebounding.I'm rolling with 24 because I like to see CHAMPIONSHIPS won.

    This post was edited by usctrojanglory on 6/7/2012 at 6:21 PM

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    Since people want to keep bringing Kobe up,here is a side by side of Kobe's and LeBron's top 3 seasons.

    Kobe Points APG RPG FT% 3P% FG% S B ALL NBA ALL NBA D

    30 6 7 84 38 45 2 1 1ST 1ST

    35 5 5 85 34 45 2 0 1ST 1ST

    32 5 6 86 34 46 1 1 1ST 1ST

    LBJ

    31 7 7 73 33 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    30 7 8 71 31 48 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    29 9 7 76 33 50 2 1 1ST Didn't make it

    Thought we were talking about playoffs... Thought these were interesting stats for playoff ranks...
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    Lebron

    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per Game (29.9)
    Ranks #10 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.496)
    Ranks #46 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (0.267)
    Ranks #41 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage (0.728)
    Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals Per Game (2.13)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (41.9)
    Ranks #4 in the NBA in Minutes Played (670)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (172)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (347)
    Ranks #18 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made (16)
    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts (60)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws (118)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (162)
    Ranks #6 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (35)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (111)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (146)
    Ranks #4 in the NBA in Assists (85)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals (34)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Blocks (13)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points (478)
    Ranks #22 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover (1.55)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover (0.62)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Double-doubles (6)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (12.31)
    Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (24.84)
    Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (8.45)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (11.6)
    Ranks #26 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (1.15)
    Ranks #12 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (2.5)
    Ranks #15 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (7.9)
    Ranks #15 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (10.5)
    Ranks #10 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes (6.1)
    Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes (2.43)
    Ranks #21 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (0.93)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (34.2)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Turnovers (55)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (482)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (30.13)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (34.51)
    Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game (3.44)
    Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.94)

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    Kobe

    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game (30)
    Ranks #22 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.439)
    Ranks #44 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (0.283)
    Ranks #18 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage (0.832)
    Ranks #7 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.7)
    Ranks #15 in the NBA in Minutes Played (476)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (132)
    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (301)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made (17)
    Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts (60)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws (79)
    Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (95)
    Ranks #36 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (16)
    Ranks #36 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (42)
    Ranks #39 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (58)
    Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists (52)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals (16)
    Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points (360)
    Ranks #23 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover (1.53)
    Ranks #23 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover (0.47)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (13.31)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (30.35)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (7.97)
    Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (9.58)
    Ranks #16 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (1.71)
    Ranks #27 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (1.6)
    Ranks #38 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (4.2)
    Ranks #37 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (5.8)
    Ranks #14 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes (5.2)
    Ranks #18 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes (1.61)
    Ranks #42 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (0.2)
    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (36.3)
    Ranks #10 in the NBA in Total Turnovers (34)
    Ranks #11 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (269)
    Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (22.42)
    Ranks #10 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (27.13)
    Ranks #12 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.43)

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  • Lesticals said...

    Lebron joined the league out of High School Genius.. MJ came out of College.

    Called selective stats that ESPN does all the damn time.

    Still doesn't change the fact that MJ didn't have a title at 27.

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  • kitemac said...

    Thought we were talking about playoffs... Thought these were interesting stats for playoff ranks... --------------- Lebron

    Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per Game (29.9) Ranks #10 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.496) Ranks #46 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (0.267) Ranks #41 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage (0.728) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Steals Per Game (2.13) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (41.9) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Minutes Played (670) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (172) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (347) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made (16) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts (60) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throws (118) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (162) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (35) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (111) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (146) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Assists (85) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Steals (34) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Blocks (13) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points (478) Ranks #22 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover (1.55) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover (0.62) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Double-doubles (6) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (12.31) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (24.84) Ranks #3 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (8.45) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (11.6) Ranks #26 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (1.15) Ranks #12 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (2.5) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (7.9) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (10.5) Ranks #10 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes (6.1) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes (2.43) Ranks #21 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (0.93) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (34.2) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Total Turnovers (55) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (482) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (30.13) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (34.51) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Turnovers Per Game (3.44) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.94)

    --------------------------------------------- Kobe

    Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per Game (30) Ranks #22 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.439) Ranks #44 in the NBA in Three-Point Field-Goal Percentage (0.283) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Free-Throw Percentage (0.832) Ranks #7 in the NBA in Minutes Per Game (39.7) Ranks #15 in the NBA in Minutes Played (476) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Field Goals Made (132) Ranks #2 in the NBA in Field Goal Attempts (301) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Made (17) Ranks #8 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goal Attempts (60) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws (79) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts (95) Ranks #36 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (16) Ranks #36 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (42) Ranks #39 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (58) Ranks #12 in the NBA in Assists (52) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Steals (16) Ranks #4 in the NBA in Points (360) Ranks #23 in the NBA in Assists Per Turnover (1.53) Ranks #23 in the NBA in Steals Per Turnover (0.47) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (13.31) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Attempts Per 48 Minutes (30.35) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes (7.97) Ranks #5 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes (9.58) Ranks #16 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (1.71) Ranks #27 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (1.6) Ranks #38 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (4.2) Ranks #37 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (5.8) Ranks #14 in the NBA in Assists Per 48 Minutes (5.2) Ranks #18 in the NBA in Steals Per 48 Minutes (1.61) Ranks #42 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (0.2) Ranks #1 in the NBA in Points Per 48 Minutes (36.3) Ranks #10 in the NBA in Total Turnovers (34) Ranks #11 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (269) Ranks #6 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (22.42) Ranks #10 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (27.13) Ranks #12 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.43)

    5 ringz are laughing at those stats LOL.They mean jack shit to me without jewelry.Basically LBJ is the GREATEST NBA LOSER to ever live.That's one grand accomplishment.

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  • Lesticals said...

    How about Kobe's Championships to Lebrons?

    That IS how we measure how good players are in basketball..Always been that way.

    Dirk had all the criticism in the world, labeled a choker and many other things.. Until he got his ring.. The "haters" were silenced.

    That's the only thing that will make people stfu about Lebron.. A ring.

    Brian Scalabrine has a ring, I don't buy that argument that you can't be good if you don't have a ring.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    5 ringz are laughing at those stats LOL.They mean jack shit to me without jewelry.Basically LBJ is the GREATEST NBA LOSER to ever live.That's one grand accomplishment.

    Thought we were just doing individual stats like you posted not team stats... I hate Lebron as much as the next person but to say that Lebron isn't a great player in the regular season and playoffs is laughable.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Still doesn't change the fact that MJ didn't have a title at 27.

    Considering LBJ got in the league at a younger age than MJ.. Your point hurts your argument more than it helps.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    5 ringz are laughing at those stats LOL.They mean jack shit to me without jewelry.Basically LBJ is the GREATEST NBA LOSER to ever live.That's one grand accomplishment.

    Kobe Bryant also played with Shaq, Gary Payton, and Andrew Bynum. Put Kobe on the Cavs coming out of high school and see how many rings he has.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    5 ringz,better scorer,more clutch,better shotter also.They can have dudes passing and rebounding.I'm rolling with 24 because I like to see CHAMPIONSHIPS won.

    Also, Kobe is a better shooter, but that's really it. Lebron is a better scorer because he can simply drive and dunk over anyone and he can shoot. Kobe can't drive like Lebron. Better shooter =/= better scorer.

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  • Lesticals said...

    Considering LBJ got in the league at a younger age than MJ.. Your point hurts your argument more than it helps.

    Not when Lebron destroys MJ in all those stats.

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  • kitemac said...

    Thought we were just doing individual stats like you posted not team stats... I hate Lebron as much as the next person but to say that Lebron isn't a great player in the regular season and playoffs is laughable.

    I just showed you their 3 best seasons.I'd say Kobe's are better.Isn't that as individual as it gets?Kobe also scored 81 which is greater than anything LeBron has ever done.Again isn't that an individual accomplish meant?On top of individual accomplishments he also has rings.I love how people have to separate stuff to make LeBron even hold a candle to Kobe.LeBron had a team last year and still lost.The greatest loser to ever play in the NBA at this point is an accurate title for the man.

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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Also, Kobe is a better shooter, but that's really it. Lebron is a better scorer because he can simply drive and dunk over anyone and he can shoot. Kobe can't drive like Lebron. Better shooter =/= better scorer.

    No he's not LOL.You just don't remember when Kobe was young enough to drive and dunk at well just like LeBron.Kobe 35 LeBron 31 as their highest averages.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    I just showed you their 3 best seasons.I'd say Kobe's are better.Isn't that as individual as it gets?Kobe also scored 81 which is greater than anything LeBron has ever done.Again isn't that an individual accomplish meant?On top of individual accomplishments he also has rings.I love how people have to separate stuff to make LeBron even hold a candle to Kobe.LeBron had a team last year and still lost.The greatest loser to ever play in the NBA at this point is an accurate title for the man.

    Lebron >>> Kobe.

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    LeBron James OWNS Kobe Bryant, literally, ...

    I can already see the Kobegeek sitting there at his computer, by the 1:30 mark of this video "awe man this sucks" (thumbs down) (clicks x) (goes to watch his favorite Kobetard worship mix). This video is specifically made for YOU if YOU are that guy. First of all, Kobe is a top 6 perimeter player of all time, top 6, this has nothing to do with Kobe, this has to do with all of you Kobe fans who constantly send me the most ridiculous opinions when it pertains to Kobe. You act like he walks on water.... Kobe has a good stretch of games, that's an indication of his GOAT status to the Tards, Kobe has a stretch of brutally bad games, well it never happened. Kobe hits a tough shot, that's why he's the GOAT, the 4-5 times that Kobe tried to hit that shot and missed, never happened. Kobe wears rings on his fingers, that's because he's the GOAT, the repeated sub par performances on the way to that ring, never happened. Kobe scores 81 points on 46 shots and 20 free throws against the worst D in the NBA, amazing GOAT status, Kobe takes 47 shots and misses 30 of them (the 17-47 game), never happened. Kobe scores 62 in three quarters, it's GOAT material, the fact that he took 25 free throws in those 3 quarters and there were 7 technical fouls handed out to the Mavs because they couldn't believe some of the panzy calls, didn't happen. Life of a delusional Kobetard. Furthermore, Kobe has it so hard, and that's why he struggles.... everyone else scores their buckets easily and defenses roll out a red carpet to the basket so they can score. Shaq was a fat lazy piece of garbage, he actually wasn't the most dominant player in the modern NBA. Pau Gasol is soft/weak/should shave, he actually didn't perform at a very high level on the way to their championships. Kobe's supporting cast is garbage, the Lakers actually don't have the highest payroll in the NBA for the last 4 years. LeBum James didn't shake hands with Dwight Howard, Kobe actually didn't walk off the court without shaking hands in the 2006 Playoffs against the Suns. Prince James quit on the Cavaliers against Boston, but Kobe actually didn't quit against the Suns in 2006 when every analyst worth his weight in salt called Kobe out for it. LeChoke James is a punk for leaving his team as a free agent, Kobe showed his killer instinct demanding a trade and telling people that the Lakers should "ship Bynum's ass out." The contradictions are absolutely hilarious but so ignorant at the same time. Celebrity worship syndrome and pathetic vicarious living at it's finest level. Kobe would also have more MVP's if the media didn't hate him, yeah the same media that's all over his nutsack and constantly over rates his legacy, defense, and offensive ability. Screw Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, and LeBrick James, these guys never deserved MVP's, even though they out performed Kobe, were more efficient, and the year Kobe won his MVP Chris Paul was actually the most deserving player. (Kobe should have won in 2002-2003). This video contains footage of LeBron James blocking Kobe Bryant, hitting jumpers over Kobe Bryant, shaking Kobe Bryant so hard his ankles snap, running over Kobe like he was a point guard, driving to the basket on Kobe, answering a Kobe miss with a make, and basically just owning Kobe Bryant over and over again. I actually couldn't include all of the footage of LeBron James owning Kobe because I ran out of patience making this video.

    http://www.youtube.com/v/3jUPtfJjwX4
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  • maize&blue21 said...

    Brian Scalabrine has a ring, I don't buy that argument that you can't be good if you don't have a ring.

    We judge GREAT players by rings.. You are really reaching.

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  • usctrojanglory said...

    No he's not LOL.You just don't remember when Kobe was young enough to drive and dunk at well just like LeBron.Kobe 35 LeBron 31 as their highest averages.

    Lebron also has more assists and more rebounds. Kobe takes a lot more shots than Lebron does as well, which is why Kobe is watching the playoffs on his couch and Lebron is playing.

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  • Lesticals said...

    We judge GREAT players by rings.. You are really reaching.

    Lebron has some of the best stats of all time, I don't understand why he isn't a great player. Just because his team in Cleveland sucked, doesn't mean he isn't a great player. I know that everyone expects one player to carry a team, but that just isn't possible. Lebron can't guard every player on the other team, Lebron can't rebound every ball, and Lebron can't make the shots for the other players.

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