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Canadian Universal Healthcare: Free or Not?

  • sf2k4 said...

    Troll is in full effect, ladies and gents.

    That's what we got from this cat yesterday.

    You should have seen it a couple of weeks ago. He started crapping on America because a 12 yr old boy molested his little brother and killed him. He kept on about it happening everyday in America. When presented with similar horrific crap happening in Ole Canada and elsewhere, he resorted to the specifics, "we don't have 12 year old molesting and then killing their little brothers." Trolling at it's finest.

    PS, also known to PM over and over and over telling you that if you don't like it turn off your PMs.

    xxmgobluexx

  • sf2k4 said...

    Do you know what a "troll" is? And I don't mean the mythical creature.

    Yes.

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    mriderblue12

  • mriderblue12 said...

    Yes.

    Then you know asking what you think your tax money goes to is not a troll. C'mon, man.

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    sf2k4

  • sf2k4 said...

    Then you know asking what you think your tax money goes to is not a troll. C'mon, man.

    It's a loaded question. I was never arguing tax dollars didn't go towards health care.

    My argument

    it costs $0.00 for any medical visits or procedures = free

    The whole argument is based on the semantics of free.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    It's a loaded question. I was never arguing tax dollars didn't go towards health care.

    My argument

    it costs $0.00 for any medical visits or procedures = free

    The whole argument is based on the semantics of free.

    Actually, it costs you the amount of taxes you paid this year divided by the number of visits this year per visit. You just happen to lay up front... Or bill me later, however you want to look at it.

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  • xxmgobluexx said...

    That's what we got from this cat yesterday.

    You should have seen it a couple of weeks ago. He started crapping on America because a 12 yr old boy molested his little brother and killed him. He kept on about it happening everyday in America. When presented with similar horrific crap happening in Ole Canada and elsewhere, he resorted to the specifics, "we don't have 12 year old molesting and then killing their little brothers." Trolling at it's finest.

    PS, also known to PM over and over and over telling you that if you don't like it turn off your PMs.

    I actually resorted to facts.

    Less then 50 murders for city of 2.5 million in Toronto in 2011.

    In Chicago city about the same size there were 27 in January.

    America's violent crime much worse in Canada care to argue that? Is that shitting on America?

    And BTW the comparison was Paul Bernado and Karla Homolka who were well in their 20's when they raped and killed people. Not 12 years old big difference.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    Actually, it costs you the amount of taxes you paid this year divided by the number of visits this year per visit. You just happen to lay up front... Or bill me later, however you want to look at it.

    No it doesn't. Because their is no specific "Health Tax". Government's dollars go into a lot of things. Putting a specific number on the cost is impossible unless you look at your medical bills. Wait we don't have any.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    No it doesn't. Because their is no specific "Health Tax". Government's dollars go into a lot of things. Putting a specific number on the cost is impossible unless you look at your medical bills. Wait we don't have any.

    That doesn't change the fact that a portion of your tax dollars wound up in health care and that amount this year divided by your visits this year equals your cost per visit.

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  • mriderblue12 earlier said...

    Bottom line is doesn't cost money to get treatment

    mriderblue12 is now saying...

    It's a loaded question. I was never arguing tax dollars didn't go towards health care.

    My argument

    it costs $0.00 for any medical visits or procedures = free

    The whole argument is based on the semantics of free.

    Which is it?

    xxmgobluexx

  • sf2k4 said...

    That doesn't change the fact that a portion of your tax dollars wound up in health care and that amount this year divided by your visits this year equals your cost per visit.

    So this argument isn't surrounded about semantics how?

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    So this argument isn't surrounded about semantics how?

    Because its simple math. I don't see any semantics in free. Free means I receive something that in no point in time I will pay for in any fashion.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    I actually resorted to facts.

    Less then 50 murders for city of 2.5 million in Toronto in 2011.

    In Chicago city about the same size there were 27 in January.

    America's violent crime much worse in Canada care to argue that? Is that shitting on America?

    And BTW the comparison was Paul Bernado and Karla Homolka who were well in their 20's when they raped and killed people. Not 12 years old big difference.

    No it was this case, a 12 yr old girl killing her 6 year old brother.
    http://www.dreamindemon.com/2011/09/28/canadas-youngest-convicted-multiple-murderer-to-be-released-in-november/

    That shit happens everywhere, US, Canada, Russia, Germany, England...

    xxmgobluexx

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  • TalHawkins112 said...

    So? It's free for the people who need it most, I don't mind if some of my tax dollars go into that.

    It's a moral issue, not a money one. I feel we have a moral obligation to help our fellow man.

    "Help" being the key word. Not fund every single thing for every single able bodied deadbeat on the street because they're lazy as fvck. We have a moral obligation to help those that can't help themselves. Which accounts for around 53% of people receiving help.

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  • TP30 said...

    "Help" being the key word. Not fund every single thing for every single able bodied deadbeat on the street because they're lazy as fvck. We have a moral obligation to help those that can't help themselves. Which accounts for around 53% of people receiving help.

    So rather than push for abolishing things that are put in place to help those in need, let's make the requirements better so as to cut loose said deadbeats.

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    sf2k4

  • Canada only exists because they border our country. They're a bunch of pussies.

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  • TP30 said...

    Canada only exists because they border our country. They're a bunch of pussies.

    They're also scared of the dark. True story.

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  • sf2k4 said...

    So rather than push for abolishing things that are put in place to help those in need, let's make the requirements better so as to cut loose said deadbeats.

    100% agree.

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  • mriderblue12 said...

    No it doesn't. Because their is no specific "Health Tax". Government's dollars go into a lot of things. Putting a specific number on the cost is impossible unless you look at your medical bills. Wait we don't have any.

    I bet you whatever amount you want that there IS a specific cost associated with medical treatment in Canada. YOU just don't see it.

    Whatever argument you wanted to make went out the window when you brought free sidewalks, free police, and free fire departments into the equation.

    Maybe someday you'll grow up and enter the big boy world.

    If you want to subject yourself to further ridicule...please, by all means...continue.

    NigelUno

  • TP30 said...

    Canada only exists because they border our country. They're a bunch of pussies.

    This is such an American thing to say.

    What does America's "power" "toughness" get you personally TP? I can name a lot of things, not many of them are good.

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  • in Canada where people are genuine and actually care for other citizens. Its no big deal. Because the people whoever they are that pitch in the most know that they are getting a better deal than they could anywhere else. taking peoples homes away from them because they spent every cent on health care is frowned upon their. That's my all 7 Canadian friends point of view.

    Insurance and health care are not compatible. It may have worked in the old day but not now.

    YiOtta

  • sf2k4 said...

    So rather than push for abolishing things that are put in place to help those in need, let's make the requirements better so as to cut loose said deadbeats.

    you must be a christian

    YiOtta

  • YiOtta said...

    in Canada where people are genuine and actually care for other citizens. Its no big deal. Because the people whoever they are that pitch in the most know that they are getting a better deal than they could anywhere else. taking peoples homes away from them because they spent every cent on health care is frowned upon their. That's my all 7 Canadian friends point of view.

    Insurance and health care are not compatible. It may have worked in the old day but not now.

    OK. It's settled then.

    NigelUno

  • YiOtta said...

    in Canada where people are genuine and actually care for other citizens. Its no big deal. Because the people whoever they are that pitch in the most know that they are getting a better deal than they could anywhere else. taking peoples homes away from them because they spent every cent on health care is frowned upon their. That's my all 7 Canadian friends point of view.

    Insurance and health care are not compatible. It may have worked in the old day but not now.

    Good for Canada. Canada is a sovereign nation and is free to act as they choose. In the US people who care contribute to charity and help out in other ways, we just don't necessarily all believe that another government run program is the way to go. The US is a constitutional republic that is supposed to have limited powers. Whether national health care forced by the gov't is a good idea is not the issue. The issue is -- does the gov't have the authority under the powers given to it by the people to require all Americans to purchase health care to contribute to those who cannot afford it or get fined? Taking everyone's rights away to counter "terrorism" may be a good idea, but does the US gov't have the authority to strip US citizens of citizenship and/or detain them indefinitely without due process because they are determined by someone in DC to "support terrorism"? We are supposed to be a country founded on principles of freedom and liberty, and sadly those principals are being destroyed by those in power as we discuss this issue. Liberty does not = being forced to pay other people's way because Washington DC thinks it's a good idea.

    This post was edited by gwgator05 on 1/26/2012 at 6:21 PM

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  • gwgator05 said...

    Good for Canada. Canada is a sovereign nation and is free to act as they choose. In the US people who care contribute to charity and help out in other ways, we just don't necessarily all believe that another government run program is the way to go. The US is a constitutional republic that is supposed to have limited powers. Whether national health care forced by the gov't is a good idea is not the issue. The issue is -- does the gov't have the authority under the powers given to it by the people to require all Americans to purchase health care to contribute to those who cannot afford it or get fined? Taking everyone's rights away to counter "terrorism" may be a good idea, but does the US gov't have the authority to strip US citizens of citizenship and/or detain them indefinitely without due process because they are determined by someone in DC to "support terrorism"? We are supposed to be a country founded on principles of freedom and liberty, and sadly those principals are being destroyed by those in power as we discuss this issue. Liberty does not = being forced to pay other people's way because Washington DC thinks it's a good idea.

    EDIT: Not worth it.

    This post was edited by mriderblue12 on 1/26/2012 at 6:26 PM

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