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Chris Low on SEC expansion

  • All that being said, I would bet that North Carolina and VPI end up in the SEC.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    One in the hand is worth two in the bush, or something like that. SEC is currently number 3 in tv revenue, and recently signed a 10 year contract. What is ESPN's motivation for letting them renegotiate prior to the end of that contract to shell out more cash?

    We were number one when we signed that contract (not counting conference network revenue). The only reason we aren't #1 right now is that the other deals are more recent and/or include network money. Their motivation to allow us to renegotiate is the ability to get in on (or maybe even own a majority stake in) our conference network.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    One in the hand is worth two in the bush, or something like that. SEC is currently number 3 in tv revenue, and recently signed a 10 year contract. What is ESPN's motivation for letting them renegotiate prior to the end of that contract to shell out more cash?

    Rights to the SEC network shrug

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  • i don't think the SEC is going to look 1 second at UVA. I know they want the DC/VA market and talent but if they really want it they either add VT or MD. UVA won't bring that market. UVA won't bring more fans. They are fair weather at best and they don't really give 2 rats ass about football. They can't even sell out their games. Hell it was 60/40 VT fans at UVA this year for the game. They sell a combo pack for 4 tickets for 99 bucks....Does that sound like an SEC team to you? I think the SEC targets UNC (who won't come because of Duke), VT and then maybe MD or NC State.

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  • DC-Hokie88 said...

    i don't think the SEC is going to look 1 second at UVA. I know they want the DC/VA market and talent but if they really want it they either add VT or MD. UVA won't bring that market. UVA won't bring more fans. They are fair weather at best and they don't really give 2 rats ass about football. They can't even sell out their games. Hell it was 60/40 VT fans at UVA this year for the game. They sell a combo pack for 4 tickets for 99 bucks....Does that sound like an SEC team to you? I think the SEC targets UNC (who won't come because of Duke), VT and then maybe MD or NC State.

    Why would UNC refuse a spot that would secure their future forever because of somebody they all claim to hate?

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  • Status said...

    Why would UNC refuse a spot that would secure their future forever because of somebody they all claim to hate?

    Because UNC need’s Duke, just as much as Duke need’s UNC. The rivalry is more similar to Michigan and OSU, the A&M and UT. They’re not leaving the ACC because basketball is king in Carolina, and the potential losses of UVA, VT, Clemson, GT, Miami, FSU, and Maryland won’t change that, or affect much basketball wise.

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  • Status said...

    Rights to the SEC network shrug

    If there is renegotiation for the SEC's TV contract, expect the SEC to go to 9 conference games. Playing all those scrubs, simply has no appeal to the tv watching public. Replacing some 1AA team with an Auburn, or TAMU certainly does.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    If there is renegotiation for the SEC's TV contract, expect the SEC to go to 9 conference games. Playing all those scrubs, simply has no appeal to the tv watching public. Replacing some 1AA team with an Auburn, or TAMU certainly does.

    CBS doesn't have to renegotiate but the ESPN deal does have a clause about expansion.

    This post was edited by AtlGator19 on 5/22/2012 at 3:58 PM

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  • The previous deal did have a look in clause but from what I understand ESPN is intentionally allowing the renegotiation because the SEC is allowing them to partake in the SEC network

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  • And I really doubt we go to 9 games. Completely unecessary

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  • Status said...

    The previous deal did have a look in clause but from what I understand ESPN is intentionally allowing the renegotiation because the SEC is allowing them to partake in the SEC network

    The SEC will exercise one of its options to adjust the current ESPN contract with the conference, commissioner Mike Slive told CBSSports.com

    The conference is expected to ask for an increase in the rights fees on the current 15-year, $3 billion deal after the addition of Texas A&M and Missouri. CBSSports.com confirmed a Saturday.

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  • Status said...

    And I really doubt we go to 9 games. Completely unecessary

    It would mean much more TV money. If the SEC wants to get a new TV deal, I believe that will be part of it.

    Also just from a pure competitive standpoint, with 14 teams in the conference 9 conference games makes much more sense to having more equitable conference schedules.

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  • AtlGator19 said...

    CBS doesn't have to renegotiate but the ESPN deal does have a clause about expansion.

    I have to say that I cannot intelligently argue all the legal facets of ESPN's deal with the SEC. I could only imagine that there is a clause that keeps the per team payout the same in the case of expansion, not a complete renegotiation, but maybe I am mistaken.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    It would mean much more TV money. If the SEC wants to get a new TV deal, I believe that will be part of it.

    Also just from a pure competitive standpoint, with 14 teams in the conference 9 conference games makes much more sense to having more equitable conference schedules.

    or just use the one non-conference pay-per-view option for extra revenue.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    I have to say that I cannot intelligently argue all the legal facets of ESPN's deal with the SEC. I could only imagine that there is a clause that keeps the per team payout the same in the case of expansion, not a complete renegotiation, but maybe I am mistaken.

    it's not a "true renegotiation" clause it just allows options for the SEC. Mainly given grounds to seek arbitration.

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  • AtlGator19 said...

    or just use the one non-conference pay-per-view option for extra revenue.

    Aren't most of those ppv games vs rent-a-wins? How much revenue do those bring in anyway? Also I think most of those are shown for free now on ESPN3

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  • AtlGator19 said...

    it's not a "true renegotiation" clause it just allows options for the SEC. Mainly given grounds to seek arbitration.

    so basically it probably keeps the per team payout the same as it is now.

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    Aren't most of those ppv games vs rent-a-wins? How much revenue do those bring in anyway? Also I think most of those are shown for free now on ESPN3

    The SEC owns those options but haven't exercised them because atp they are crap games so they give them away. But just think of the money if other SEC schools start to do what Bama and LSU have done the last few years with non-conf games.

    This post was edited by AtlGator19 on 5/22/2012 at 4:42 PM

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    so basically it probably keeps the per team payout the same as it is now.

    This came from an SEC board: The SEC has provisions in its tv contracts with ESPN and CBS allowing the SEC to renegotiate its existing tv contracts. Reasons include:

    1. Expansion (That is, if SEC expands, they can void existing contract and renegotiate for more money).

    2. Existing contract falls behind existing going market rates.

    SO basically it's like baseball when a player seeks arbitration for "worth".

    This post was edited by AtlGator19 on 5/22/2012 at 4:42 PM

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  • AtlGator19 said...

    The SEC owns those options but haven't exercised them because atp they are crap games so they give them away for free. But just think of the money if other SEC schools start to do what Bama and LSU have done the last few years with non-conf games.

    You can't put those type of games on ppv. You need a willing partner, and no way is an Oregon or a Michigan going to schedule a huge OOC game so it can be put on ppv. Georgia St, and the CItadel have no say, so it is those types of games on ppv, and every once in a while you will get a Kentucky vs Vandy type of game on SEC ppv. I can't believe that sales for those type of games are anywhere of significance.

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  • Are we talking about third tier rights? The SEC network will own those now

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  • MJRuffalo said...

    You can't put those type of games on ppv. You need a willing partner, and no way is an Oregon or a Michigan going to schedule a huge OOC game so it can be put on ppv. Georgia St, and the CItadel have no say, so it is those types of games on ppv, and every once in a while you will get a Kentucky vs Vandy type of game on SEC ppv. I can't believe that sales for those type of games are anywhere of significance.

    you could be right but it's crazy to think that ESPN isn't going to open up the wallet before 2023 for the SEC.

    from cbssports: Currently, SEC schools are allowed to show one non-conference football game per year on a pay-per-view basis, according to Slive. None of the schools do so, however. Bundling 14 non-conference games – one for each team – and forming a network around the programming could create another windfall stream of revenue for the SEC.

    This post was edited by AtlGator19 on 5/22/2012 at 4:54 PM

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  • AtlGator19 said...

    you could be right but it's crazy to think that ESPN isn't going to open up the wallet before 2023 for the SEC.

    from cbssports: Currently, SEC schools are allowed to show one non-conference football game per year on a pay-per-view basis, according to Slive. None of the schools do so, however. Bundling 14 non-conference games – one for each team – and forming a network around the programming could create another windfall stream of revenue for the SEC.

    Oh I think that the SEC will in fact get a new rich contract, but I also think that they will require the SEC to go to 9 conference games. From a negotiation and arbitration standpoint, that puts the SEC in a much better position. You have 14 more high profile games per season.

    This post was edited by MJRuffalo on 5/22/2012 at 4:56 PM

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  • Status said...

    No need to expand unless we can add two quality programs. Just because some teams might be stuck in the whithering acc doesn't mean its our problem.

    I can already tell you're single handedly going to give TAMU fans the USCjr label. Using the word "we" 4 times a sentence when discussing the SEC despite never winning the conference or coming close.

    /necessary flame

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