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  • Trojani said...

    USC just came off a 7-6 season , the coaching staff is in disarray, and we are still in the middle of sanctions. Recruiting was the only bright spot USC fans had this season.

    So yes it is disappointing, especially considering that USC commits played pretty well in their all-star games.

    If you KNOW they're better why does it matter? The stars mean nothing once the rubber meets the road.

    klein12 ●

  • WE ARE ND76 said...

    That's awesome! I think it will help fans understand why a particular player is ranked the way they are but from analysts who's analysis we actually find worthwhile. Only good thing about the ESPN recruiting coverage. Otherwise they suck

    Espn and 247 both meh

    z28 foody ●

  • klein12 said...

    If you KNOW they're better why does it matter? The stars mean nothing once the rubber meets the road.

    ESPN and Yahoo Sports constantly blast USC with negative articles. USC fans become overly defensive as a result.

    But you're definitely right. It's better to have USC commits come in with a chip on their shoulders anyway

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  • z28 foody said...

    Espn and 247 both meh

    Then what are you doing here? shrug

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  • Weedline said...

    I can't believe Ole Miss and Mississippi State are going to sign the top two players. Pretty sure we could live for a 100 more years and never see that one again.

    Maybe.....Might see State with a couple in the Top 5 in the near future.

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  • WE ARE ND76 said...

    Then what are you doing here? shrug

    I like the forums but rankings are meh

    This post was edited by z28 foody on 1/15/2013 at 3:47 PM

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  • WE ARE ND76 said...

    That's awesome! I think it will help fans understand why a particular player is ranked the way they are but from analysts who's analysis we actually find worthwhile. Only good thing about the ESPN recruiting coverage. Otherwise they suck

    Would also like to see which analyst has scouted the player in person. Would make it much easier to shoot a PM his way if we have a specific question on said player.

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  • klein12 said...

    are you seriously upset by an average 1.65 discrepency in the composite with 247 rankings as it pertains to recruiting rankings?

    I think he might be questioning the 24.4 spots lower in rank as a total average in 24/7 rankings compared to the composite for USC commits. Including 11 of 12 being ranked lower.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • Thanks to all for the Q's and feedback. Much appreciated.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton ●

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    Thanks to all for the Q's and feedback. Much appreciated.

    Gerry when will the 2014 rankings be updated?

    Major Horn ●

  • J S said...

    Three of us live in Nashville,
    the West Coast...."theory"
    call it a conspiracy

    247Sports .....butt hurt
    USC commits taking a tumble.......
    sets us up for success in our jobs....
    because you.....know.

    Hey, look- I cracked the Dixie code with my Oval-teen de-coder ring.
    I took out the 2nd, 4th, and 7th words and low and behold, look what it exposed.
    The "C" word. No, not cunt,
    Counterfeit!

    You guys gotta get this de-coder ring, look at what it does to the 24/7 rankings.
    Just set it to "Top 27 recruits in the West not committed to USC" and hot diggity dog
    24/7 ave ranking = 153.5
    Composite ranking = 193.5

    The 27 Western recruits (left out recent de-commits EV, Fitts, and Redfield)
    that are not committed to SC are ranked (40 spots) on the average
    better than they are in the composite rankings.

    24/7 really loves these 27 guys.
    Only 1 recruit out of the 27 had a ranking more than 15 spots lower than his composite rank.
    22 of them were ranked higher by 24/7 than in their composite rank.

    Now set your de-coder ring to "12 USC Commits"
    24/7 ave ranking = 89.5 (with only 1 of 12 ranked higher than composite)
    Composite ranking = 65.1

    Awesome, add "USC commit" next to a recruit's name and
    presto - 24.4 spots on average lower ranked by 24/7 than in the composite rankings.
    Holy cow, 24/7 really hates these 12 guys.

    Now I know why Kiffin had one of his players switch jerseys during a game.
    Because based on the apparent philosophy of this site,
    what jersey you wear is way more important than how good you are.

    Settle down, I'm sure this is all just one big co-inky-dink.

    Well, I'm off to go play with my new red rider BB Gun - be careful ......
    or I'll shoot your rankings out

    This post was edited by NcaaAssassinG13 on 1/16/2013 at 8:22 AM

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  • Oh Sweet Jesus for the longest time this year USC had the #1 recruiting class on 247 with a smaller class. The USC class is still loaded with talent for such a small class. Not sure what you are so butt hurt about.

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    We have a rankings history module coming for profile pages that will show where a prospect was ranked throughout the process. It will show both 247Sports rating/ranking and 247Composite in a line graph format so you can get an idea of risers and fallers quite easily.

    Will that be out this recruiting cycle?

    This post was edited by Trojani on 1/16/2013 at 12:57 PM

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  • Trojani said...

    Will that be out this recruiting cycle?

    Likely next cycle.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton ●

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    Likely next cycle.

    Sounds cool, thanks

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  • WE ARE ND76 said...

    Oh Sweet Jesus for the longest time this year USC had the #1 recruiting class on 247 with a smaller class. The USC class is still loaded with talent for such a small class. Not sure what you are so butt hurt about.

    Personally I could give 2 squirts about recruiting rankings. But I feel the people that do care about it should at least be told the truth and know the agenda behind the rankings.

    Certainly raises some credibility
    issues. I'm just surprised that they made their bias so obvious.

    NcaaAssassinG13 ●

  • NcaaAssassinG13 said...

    Personally I could give 2 squirts about recruiting rankings. But I feel the people that do care about it should at least be told the truth and know the agenda behind the rankings.

    Certainly raises some credibility issues. I'm just surprised that they made their bias so obvious.

    Once the line graph module displaying rises and falls of a recruit's ranking comes out, IF there truly is a bias it will irrefutably exposed

    Too bad it won't be out this recruiting cycle.. Expect the line graph of a USC recruit to look like this:

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  • Trojani said...

    Once the line graph module displaying rises and falls of a recruit's ranking comes out, IF there truly is a bias it will irrefutably exposed

    Too bad it won't be out this recruiting cycle.. Expect the line graph of a USC recruit to look like this:

    Seriously you need to get over it... Perhaps they are honestly evaluating that talent? By the way, you still have the 7th ranked recruiting class according to 247Sports (only three spots down from the composite) with only 14 commits... if 247 was out to get USC I highly doubt they would keep them so highly rated. Getting upset about being #7 instead of #4 is ridiculous.

    klein12 ●

  • klein12 said...

    Seriously you need to get over it... Perhaps they are honestly evaluating that talent? By the way, you still have the 7th ranked recruiting class according to 247Sports (only three spots down from the composite) with only 14 commits... if 247 was out to get USC I highly doubt they would keep them so highly rated. Getting upset about being #7 instead of #4 is ridiculous.

    Like I said, USC recruits are an average of 25 spots below the composite rankings.

    That is extremely unusual.

    I'm not bothered about the difference between a #4 and #7 class. On the other hand, USC members pay subscription fees too and if the rankings are incorrect or biased in any way, shape, or form, the staff is obligated to fix it.

    I'll consider this recruiting season an anomaly. But if the trend continues in future seasons, then it's obvious there is a bias.

    Edit: Taking a page out of NcaaAssassinG13's book

    These are just the top fifty using 247's rankings (in parentheses are the composite rankings).

    They are divided by conference. All values are rounded to the nearest whole number.

    SEC
    Chris Jones..............2 (93) Miss St ................ +91
    V. Hargreaves III.......4 (4) Florida .................. 0
    Tre'Davious White...9 (73) LSU ..................... +64
    Jonathan Allen.........11 (14) Alabama ............ +3
    Derrick Henry...........12 (21) Alabama ............ +9
    Robert Foster..........18 (25) Alabama ............. +7
    Kelvin Taylor............19 (18) Florida ................. -1
    O.J. Howard.............20 (13) Alabama ............. -7
    Ricky Seals-Jones..23 (22) Texas A&M ......... -1
    Carl Lawson............24 (17) Auburn ................. -7
    Alex Anzalone.........32 (60) Florida ................. +28
    Brice Ramsey.........37 (97) Georgia ............... +60
    Daniel McMillian.....44 (44) Florida ................. 0
    Larenz Bryant..........50 (94) South Carolina ... +44
    ..............................................................Average Change per SEC recruit = + 21, 21 spots higher than composite

    Pac 12
    Kenny Bigelow.......13 (10) USC ................ -3
    Su'a Cravens.........16 (5) USC ................. -9
    Thomas Tyner........22 (20) Oregon ............ -2
    Jalen Ramsey........39 (16) USC ................ -23
    Leon McQuay III......42 (29) USC................ -13
    ..............................................................Average Change per Pac 12 recruit = -10, 10 spots lower than composite

    Big 10
    C. Hackenburg...........7 (19) Penn St ........... +12
    Eli Apple.....................45 (35) Ohio St ............ -10
    Adam Breneman.......48 (41) Penn St ........... -7
    ..............................................................Average Change per Big 10 recruit = -2, 2 spots lower than composite

    Big 12
    Robbie Rhodes..........21 (23) Baylor .......... +2
    A'Shawn Robinson....26 (31) Texas ........... +5
    Keith Ford...................33 (36) Oklahoma ... +3
    Darius James.............35 (33) Texas ........... -2
    Kent Perkins...............49 (34) Texas ........... -15
    ..............................................................Average Change per Big 12 recruit = -1, 1 spot lower than composite

    ACC
    Kendall Fuller.............31 (12) Virginia Tech ... - 29
    Holland Fisher...........36 (53) Virginia Tech ... +17
    DeMarcus Walker.....38 (30) Florida St ......... -8
    Ryan Green................40 (47) Florida St ........ +7
    ..............................................................Average Change per ACC recruit = -3, 3 spots lower than composite

    Big East
    Dorian Johnson......8 (77) Pitt ... +69
    ..............................................................Average Change per ACC recruit ... outlier

    Notre Dame
    Jaylon Smith.........5 (2) Notre Dame ....... -3
    Max Redfield........41 (27) Notre Dame .... -14
    Hunter Bivin..........43 (101) Notre Dame ... +58
    ..............................................................Average Change per ND recruit = +14, 14 spots higher than composite

    Tomorrow or maybe Friday I'll add in #51-#100 to eliminate outliers.

    This post was edited by Trojani on 1/16/2013 at 11:56 PM

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  • JC Shurburtt said...

    Dominated what? Class 2A football in the worst part of South Carolina for talent? He was a projection all along and it was more than his injury that forced him out.

    Time will tell on all of these players, though.

    What you posted makes no sense... Where did he play last year when he was ranked high? Every report before his injury was he was dominating. Did he change schools or did they drop a classification?

    Also.. What puts Anzalone ahead of Mitchell? Size, speed, athleticism and production all favor Mitchell. Was Pa HS FBall that much better than Texas this year?

    I really don't care about the rankings, just an observation.

    OrlandoBuckeye ●

  • These are just the top 100 using 247's rankings (in parentheses are the composite rankings).

    They are divided by conference. All values are rounded to the nearest whole number.

    SEC
    Chris Jones..............2 (93) Miss St ................ +91
    V. Hargreaves III.......4 (4) Florida .................. 0
    Tre'Davious White...9 (73) LSU ..................... +64
    Jonathan Allen.........11 (14) Alabama ............ +3
    Derrick Henry...........12 (21) Alabama ............ +9
    Robert Foster..........18 (25) Alabama ............. +7
    Kelvin Taylor............19 (18) Florida ................. -1
    O.J. Howard.............20 (13) Alabama ............. -7
    Ricky Seals-Jones..23 (22) Texas A&M ......... -1
    Carl Lawson............24 (17) Auburn ................. -7
    L. Treadwell.............28 (15) Ole Miss ............. -13
    Alex Anzalone.........32 (60) Florida ................. +28
    Brice Ramsey.........37 (97) Georgia ............... +60
    Daniel McMillian.....44 (44) Florida ................. 0
    Larenz Bryant..........50 (94) South Carolina ... +44
    A. Tenpenny............51 (46) Alabama ............. - 5
    Grant Hill..................54 (59) Alabama ............. +5
    Darius Paige...........55 (177) Alabama .......... +122
    Greg Gilmore..........59 (87) LSU ..................... +28
    Marcell Harris..........63 (74) Florida ................ +11
    Tyren Jones.............64 (56) Alabama ............ -8
    AdDarius Stewart...67 (14) Alabama ............ +14
    K. Beckwith.............68 (70) LSU .................... +2
    Ethan Pocic............72 (51) LSU ..................... -21
    Tim Williams...........73 (76) Alabama ............. +3
    Frank Herron..........75 (100) LSU ................... +25
    Isaiah Golden.........76 (106) Texas A&M ....... +30
    Kelsey Griffin..........78 (84) South Carolina .... +6
    Derrick Griffin.........86 (38) Texas A&M ......... -48
    C. Bateman............87 (78) Alabama .............. -9
    Kailo Moore...........93 (127) Ole Miss ............. +34
    Tray Matthews.......99 (83) Georgia ................. -16
    ..............................................................Average Change per SEC recruit = + 14, 14 spots higher than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per Bama recruit = + 12, 12 spots higher than composite

    Pac 12
    Kenny Bigelow.......13 (10) USC ................ -3
    Su'a Cravens.........16 (5) USC ................. -9
    Thomas Tyner........22 (20) Oregon ............ -2
    Jalen Ramsey........39 (16) USC ................ -23
    Leon McQuay III......42 (29) USC ............... -13
    S. Mitchell...............69 (64) USC ............... -5
    C. Hawkins ............74 (66) USC ............... -8
    Khaliel Rodgers ....83 (139) USC ............. +56
    Ty Isaac ..................85 (49) USC ............... -36
    Elijah Qualls ...........96 (117) Washington.. +21
    ..............................................................Average Change per Pac 12 recruit = -2, 2 spots lower than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per USC recruit = -5, 5 spots lower than composite

    Big 10
    C. Hackenburg...........7 (19) Penn St ........... +12
    Eli Apple.....................45 (35) Ohio St ............ -10
    Adam Breneman.......48 (41) Penn St ........... -7
    Joey Bosa..................53 (37) Ohio St ............ -16
    Jalin Marshall.............57 (32) Ohio St ............ -25
    C. Burrows.................60 (54) Ohio St ............ -6
    David Dawson...........65 (95) Michigan ......... +30
    Ezekiel Elliott.............70 (62) Ohio St ............ +8
    Corey Clement..........71 (152) Wisconsin ..... +81
    Dymonte Thomas......80 (67) Michigan ......... -13
    Shane Morris.............81 (52) Michigan ......... -29
    Marcus Baugh...........82 (88) Ohio St ............ +6
    Evan Lisle .................89 (79) Ohio St ............ -10
    Mike Mitchell ............95 (58) Ohio St ............ -37
    Patrick Kugler...........97 (63) Michigan .......... -34
    JT Barrett ..................100 (140) Ohio St ........ +40
    ..............................................................Average Change per Big 10 recruit = -1, 1 spot lower than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per OSU recruit = -6, 6 spots lower than composite

    Big 12
    Robbie Rhodes..........21 (23) Baylor .......... +2
    A'Shawn Robinson....26 (31) Texas ........... +5
    Keith Ford...................33 (36) Oklahoma ... +3
    Darius James.............35 (33) Texas ........... -2
    Kent Perkins...............49 (34) Texas ........... -15
    Stanvon Taylor...........88 (137) Oklahoma .. +49
    Hatari Byrd ................90 (160) Oklahoma .. +70
    Cody Thomas ...........92 (107) Oklahoma .. +15
    ..............................................................Average Change per Big 12 recruit = +16, 16 spot higher than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per Big 12 recruit (minus OU) = -3, 3 spot lower than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per OU recruit = +45, 45 spot higher than composite

    ACC
    Kendall Fuller.............31 (12) Virginia Tech ... - 29
    Holland Fisher...........36 (53) Virginia Tech ... +17
    DeMarcus Walker.....38 (30) Florida St ......... -8
    Ryan Green................40 (47) Florida St ........ +7
    Artie Burns.................52 (99) Miami .............. +47
    A. Muhammad...........58 (61) Miami .............. +3
    Derwin Gray...............61 (103) Maryland ...... +42
    Taquan Mizzell...........62 (57) Virginia .......... -5
    Mitch Trubisky............79 (216) UNC ............ +137
    Kevin Olsen................94 (85) Miami ............ -9
    ..............................................................Average Change per ACC recruit = +20, 20 spots higher than composite
    ..............................................................Average Change per ACC recruit (minus Trubisky) = +7, 7 spots higher than composite

    Big East
    Dorian Johnson......8 (77) Pitt ... +69

    ..............................................................Average Change per Big East recruit ... outlier

    Notre Dame
    Jaylon Smith.........5 (2) Notre Dame ....... -3
    Max Redfield........41 (27) Notre Dame .... -14
    Hunter Bivin..........43 (101) Notre Dame ... +58
    Cole Luke.............77 (138) Notre Dame ... +61
    ..............................................................Average Change per ND recruit = +26, 26 spots higher than composite

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Trojani on 1/18/2013 at 9:32 PM

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  • I think at the end of the day, we just like who we like.

    I know people love conspiracy theories, but this is a just who one likes (eye of the beholder) deal.

    We like who we like. We don't care where others have guys ranked. You go to go with what one sees and believes.

    National Director of Scouting & Recruiting Analyst @GerryHam247

    Gerry Hamilton ●

  • Gerry Hamilton said...

    I think at the end of the day, we just like who we like.

    I know people love conspiracy theories, but this is a just who one likes (eye of the beholder) deal.

    We like who we like. We don't care where others have guys ranked. You go to go with what one sees and believes.

    That's fair.

    But I still think that there is an unconscious predisposition to favor recruits who are closer to where you live. It's not wrong or right - it just is what it is. Having a balanced staff in terms of location would help iron those wrinkles out.

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  • Just posted this elsewhere about RB rankings and thought I'd add here :

    The issue with the RB rankings is that all the sites are bad at it as they place too much emphasis on appearance (ie. size & muscle tone) and camp & combine performance. Another thing is they penalize guys that don't play in after season All-American games (ie. some kids weren't invited and others didn't play due to injury). Take a look at the top 10-15 leading rushers in the NFL in 2012. About 1/2 were 2 or 3 star players. In fact the top 2 Rookie RBs in the NFL, Alfred Morris and Doug Martin, were both 2 star players. I only use the recruiting services to know which prospects to review in order to form my own opinion. Typically, only about 3 of the top 20 RBs each year as rated by the recruiting services during their senior season ever play 1 down in the NFL. That isn't good scouting IMO.

    Tell people what they want to hear, they will like you. Tell them the actual truth...they may not.

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  • BamaBornDukie said...

    Just posted this elsewhere about RB rankings and thought I'd add here :

    The issue with the RB rankings is that all the sites are bad at it as they place too much emphasis on appearance (ie. size & muscle tone) and camp & combine performance. Another thing is they penalize guys that don't play in after season All-American games (ie. some kids weren't invited and others didn't play due to injury). Take a look at the top 10-15 leading rushers in the NFL in 2012. About 1/2 were 2 or 3 star players. In fact the top 2 Rookie RBs in the NFL, Alfred Morris and Doug Martin, were both 2 star players. I only use the recruiting services to know which prospects to review in order to form my own opinion. Typically, only about 3 of the top 20 RBs each year as rated by the recruiting services during their senior season ever play 1 down in the NFL. That isn't good scouting IMO.

    Amen to that

    Have you changed your stance on Greg Bryant at all or see anything differently

    I agreed with your take on him previously ( over the summer IIRC ) but he has something I can't explain really, call the " it " factor if you will

    I wouldn't say he is hands down the best back in this class, but he is still my favorite one

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