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Conference expansion and the Big Ten...

  • It's inevitable that there will be four, sixteen-team mega conferences.

    Syracuse and Pitt are heading to the ACC and sources are saying Texas is heading to Pac-12.

    Where does the B1G go from here?

    There is no way independents will be able to survive with this, eventual, new format.

    Notre Dame will have to choose a league. Personally, I think Notre Dame and BYU would be home run acquisitions for the Big Ten... And, would fit the B1G very well.

    That would leave two open spots for a 16-team league.

    Possible Big East schools: Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers and West Virginia
    Possible Big 12 schools: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri
    Others: Boise State

    Wisconsin. Badgers.

    KyleHeikkinen

  • I can't see ND in any other conference besides the Big 10. I think BYU would be a solid addition as well.

    Aussie

  • KyleHeikkinen said...

    It's inevitable that there will be four, sixteen-team mega conferences.

    Syracuse and Pitt are heading to the ACC and sources are saying Texas is heading to Pac-12.

    Where does the B1G go from here?

    There is no way independents will be able to survive with this, eventual, new format.

    Notre Dame will have to choose a league. Personally, I think Notre Dame and BYU would be home run acquisitions for the Big Ten... And, would fit the B1G very well.

    That would leave two open spots for a 16-team league.

    Possible Big East schools: Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers and West Virginia Possible Big 12 schools: Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri Others: Boise State

    BYU is an intriguing option I hadn't thought of, not sure if it would work though (fit, geography).

    WVU, KSU, Boise aren't options because of their academics.

    Cincinnati, Louisville, Iowa State, and Kansas are doubtful for the same reason. Plus ISU doesn't add anything athletically.

    Rutgers is the only semi realistic option, but even then, there athletic program(s) leave a lot to be desired.

    I think ND is a certainty. The rest is up in the air. Missouri might finally get their chance.

    I would love UVA, but I'm not sure they are realistic either. Will be interesting to see what happens.

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  • Let's not fool ourselves.

    If it was becasue of academics, Nebraska would not have been the team added.

    BetterOff

  • Except the Notre Dame asterisk, the Big 10 has made it clear that they only want AAU (Association of American Universities) members. In your list, only Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, and Rutgers fit that criteria. The ACC just took Pitt off the board. Nebraska was voted out of the AAU shortly after the Big 10 voted them in. I'm sure they were not happy about that. I don't see BYU making sense for the Big 10. I think Notre Dame and Missouri are locks, and Rutgers is a very good possibility. Kansas would turn cartwheels if they did not have the Kansas State problem. You know who would be a smart courtship for the Big 10 if they are desperate for #16... Vanderbilt. They are an incredibly good cultural fit academically, and Nashville would fit in very well with the Big 10 crowd (Nashville is quite liberal in a conservative state, just like Austin in Texas. I live in Nashville but am a UK fan). They also make more money than Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, and Indiana. Nashville is a top 30 TV market and would provide a great city to be in a football championship game rotation that did not have to be played in the snow or in a dome. They also sold out the SEC basketball championship tournament in a few hours. Solid fit for the Big 10's very picky standards.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Let's not fool ourselves.

    If it was becasue of academics, Nebraska would not have been the team added.

    Nebraska is much better academically than several of the schools (Boise, WVU, KSU, etc.)

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  • blueblindness said...

    Except the Notre Dame asterisk, the Big 10 has made it clear that they only want AAU (Association of American Universities) members. In your list, only Kansas, Iowa State, Missouri, and Rutgers fit that criteria. The ACC just took Pitt off the board. Nebraska was voted out of the AAU shortly after the Big 10 voted them in. I'm sure they were not happy about that. I don't see BYU making sense for the Big 10. I think Notre Dame and Missouri are locks, and Rutgers is a very good possibility. Kansas would turn cartwheels if they did not have the Kansas State problem. You know who would be a smart courtship for the Big 10 if they are desperate for #16... Vanderbilt. They are an incredibly good cultural fit academically, and Nashville would fit in very well with the Big 10 crowd (Nashville is quite liberal in a conservative state, just like Austin in Texas. I live in Nashville but am a UK fan). They also make more money than Minnesota, Iowa, Northwestern, and Indiana. Nashville is a top 30 TV market and would provide a great city to be in a football championship game rotation that did not have to be played in the snow or in a dome. They also sold out the SEC basketball championship tournament in a few hours. Solid fit for the Big 10's very picky standards.

    I wouldn't mind adding Vandy. I think the SEC (or at least the fans) wouldn't mind Vandy walking away.

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  • I wish we were able to get Virginia Tech.....pray

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  • Of course, Vanderbilt is a founding member of the SEC... they contractually cannot be kicked out unless they just totally tank on their basic responsibilities to the league. Few outside the SEC know this, but it may be interesting to those in other regions. You know how the ACC just up their exit fee to $20 million. The SEC's, last time I checked was either $50 or $250... I can't remember which. Basically the cost of the secretary typing up a letter and mailing it. It is called an administrative fee. I thought that was funny considering how nervous other conferences seem to be.

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  • I've never thought about Vandy.. That's and interesting option..

    As another member posted, I'm sure the SEC wouldn't mind seeing them walk away..

    Wisconsin. Badgers.

    KyleHeikkinen

  • blueblindness said...

    Of course, Vanderbilt is a founding member of the SEC... they contractually cannot be kicked out unless they just totally tank on their basic responsibilities to the league. Few outside the SEC know this, but it may be interesting to those in other regions. You know how the ACC just up their exit fee to $20 million. The SEC's, last time I checked was either $50 or $250... I can't remember which. Basically the cost of the secretary typing up a letter and mailing it. It is called an administrative fee. I thought that was funny considering how nervous other conferences seem to be.

    Did not know that, thanks.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Let's not fool ourselves.

    If it was becasue of academics, Nebraska would not have been the team added.

    Really? Do me a favor and find out who has the most academic All Americans all time in football. While your at it check out the spread between one and two. Man if onlu we were smarter.

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    I wish we were able to get Virginia Tech.....pray

    I do agree.

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  • Gopher2son said...

    I do agree.

    Virginia Tech, Virginia, Missouri and Notre Dame is my wish list, right now.

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    Virginia Tech, Virginia, Missouri and Notre Dame is my wish list, right now.

    Va. Tech, Mizzery, and ND are the top teams on my list right now. Not sure about the fourth spot though. Dont know much about Virginia, though location would make sense.

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  • BetterOff said...

    Let's not fool ourselves.

    If it was becasue of academics, Nebraska would not have been the team added.

    exactly

    SDWolverine

  • um_king said...

    I wouldn't mind adding Vandy. I think the SEC (or at least the fans) wouldn't mind Vandy walking away.

    I don't want to see Vandy go. I don't know who we would replace them with but they would most likely be better football program. We need one cupcake.

    Aussie

  • Aussie said...

    I don't want to see Vandy go. I don't know who we would replace them with but they would most likely be better football program. We need one cupcake.

    You still have Kentucky?

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  • Gopher2son said...

    Va. Tech, Mizzery, and ND are the top teams on my list right now. Not sure about the fourth spot though. Dont know much about Virginia, though location would make sense.

    I wanted PITT, but that plan went out the window.

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    I wanted PITT, but that plan went out the window.

    lol yeah I suppose that ship may have passed.

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  • Aussie said...

    I don't want to see Vandy go. I don't know who we would replace them with but they would most likely be better football program. We need one cupcake.

    As I mentioned earlier, I am a UK fan that lives in Nashville. I feel bad for Vandy. They are always in UT's shadow, although they are breaking out in town a bit now that they soundly defeated an SEC opponent (Ole MIss) for the first time in I don't know when. The SEC would still keep the Nashville market on CBS and ESPN because FOX/Big 10 Network does not conflict with scheduling. There are still a ton of UT fans in Nashville, but the Big 10 could do worse to add the school. Plus, you Big 10 people would LOVE visiting Nashville for away games. Not to sound like the Chamber of Commerce, but it is a great, safe, hospitable town that offers everything of a major city without the congestion and cost. If the SEC replaced Vandy with FSU or Virginia Tech, I don't think they would be missed at all. Some of you have mentioned wanting Va Tech and UVA for the Big 10... I've wanted them all along for the SEC. The ACC's $20 million exit fee means nothing... if the SEC presidents want someone, they will work something out. Being an SEC team gains you $20 million off the bat in the first year from TV alone.

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  • SimplyComplex said...

    You still have Kentucky?

    Thanks for reminding me...blackeye

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  • SDWolverine said...

    exactly

    Please explain.......

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  • Gopher2son said...

    Please explain.......

    While Nebraska is much improved academically since the crazy 70s where Dr. Tom had all of those walk-ons, it is not up to par to the rest of the Big 10. Further, they wanted to only add schools that were members of the same academic association, which Nebraska was upon admission only to lose that certification shortly thereafter.

    SDWolverine

  • Saying that Nebraska is not good academically does not hold water. Yes, they are no longer a member of the AAU, but that is like saying Scarlett Johannson cannot be pretty because she is not a model. Nebraska is a great academic school by every measure that I have seen and adds a top 10 football program. Still a great add by the Big 10 that I'm sure they do not regret in the least. I feel bad for Kansas. I know they would do anything to join Nebraska and eventually Missouri. I think it is silly and a shame that the States of Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas handcuff their flagship schools with the State schools. That would not go over well at all here in Tennessee. Let the State schools kill their own dinner and bring it home or they can join the Sunbelt/ Conference USA types places just like Tennessee State U.

    This post was edited by blueblindness on 9/18/2011 at 2:32 PM

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