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bamabum5 said...
LOL, wut? That's not even close to being the same thing. That law created a health care provider service for Sailors. To work as a Sailor, they were required to pay a premium for the services. No-one was taxed for not purchase a premium...they were simply not allowed to work as a sailor. If they didn't want to purchase the insurance, they could just find another profession. That is somewhat closer to auto insurance(to drive, you must have insurance) although it still isn't the same.
The mandate that under scrutiny today doesn't create a service but requires US Citizens to purchase insurance from private providers. The author is correct...1% of wages won't cut it today which is the real issue. Mandating people to purchase unaffordable insurance makes zero sense. Taxing people who don't purchase it is equally ridiculous.
This post was edited by BamaLivesFootba on 3/30/2012 at 6:34 PM
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bamabum5 said...
The two laws couldn't be more different. They aren't even in the same ballpark. It really doesn't matter the argument when one is a clear violation of the Constitution and the other is not.
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BamaLivesFootba said...
Its called precedent. The two biggest set by the originial in 1798 being their constitutional reasoning behind it---the large effect on the economy the maritime industry had and the need for the sailors to be healthy---and the mandating of services(whether by taxes or not)for healthcare coverage of private employees.
To be honest,it's more helpful for single-payer than it is for the PPIACA.
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bamabum5 said...
You get it to an extent. If the Govt formed a healthcare service and mandated all people enroll, you might have somewhat of a precedent. The 1798 law established that all Sailors be enrolled in the Govt run healthcare service and to fund it, they paid 1% of the wages. The Govt controlled the cost of the service. Those that didn't enroll were simply not allowed to be Sailors. There was no fine. There was simply the stipulation that those engaged in the Sailor industry needed to be enrolled in the system. Somewhat like auto insurance. I don't have to carry auto insurance...I'm just not allows to drive if I don't have it.
The Obamacare law says all Americans have to purchase private insurance without establishment of a price ceiling. Those who don't purchase private insurance will be fined by the Govt for not purchasing a private industry health insurance policy. Basically, that is like the Federal Govt telling people with no car they have to buy auto insurance.
Where do we draw the line regarding Govt mandated private purchases? If they think it helps the economy, do they have full reign to tell us how to spend our money?
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BamaLivesFootba said...
That is a terrible analogy. Everyone needs healthcare.
The line is drawn with health insurance because it falls under the extent of precedent of the Commerce Clause. It is only about health insurance. It is the medium. That is why the broccoli analogy is so absurd.
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BamaLivesFootba said...
That is a terrible analogy. Everyone needs healthcare.
The line is drawn with health insurance because it falls under the extent of precedent of the Commerce Clause. It is only about health insurance. It is the medium. That is why the broccoli analogy is so absurd.
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BetterOff said...
This thread just solved all my issues.
Thanks!
Seriously though, the two don't really have a lot to do with eachother.
Healthcare is just like any political platform in this country. 40% of the people will be for it if "their guy" came up with it. 40% will be against it if "their guy" didn't. The 20% that actually know what the hell is somewhat going on will decide our path, much like any National election.
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bamabum5 said...
You get it to an extent. If the Govt formed a healthcare service and mandated all people enroll, you might have somewhat of a precedent. The 1798 law established that all Sailors be enrolled in the Govt run healthcare service and to fund it, they paid 1% of the wages. The Govt controlled the cost of the service. Those that didn't enroll were simply not allowed to be Sailors. There was no fine. There was simply the stipulation that those engaged in the Sailor industry needed to be enrolled in the system. Somewhat like auto insurance. I don't have to carry auto insurance...I'm just not allows to drive if I don't have it.
The Obamacare law says all Americans have to purchase private insurance without establishment of a price ceiling. Those who don't purchase private insurance will be fined by the Govt for not purchasing a private industry health insurance policy. Basically, that is like the Federal Govt telling people with no car they have to buy auto insurance.
Where do we draw the line regarding Govt mandated private purchases? If they think it helps the economy, do they have full reign to tell us how to spend our money?
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Congress passes Individual Mandate---In 1798