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13 yr old boy carrying fake rifle killed

  • Jeff4SC said... (original post)

    The only thing that doesnt make much sense is the deputy saying when he turned around it was rising up.

    Well...was it pointing at him or pointing straight up in the air

    So the officer was to wait until the gun was pointed directly at him before firing? And suppose it was a real gun and the kid intended to fire (which the officer had reasonable suspicion to believe since his orders to drop the gun were not followed). How much of a chance would the officer had of going home to his family tonight? That God that scenario is not precedent or the police would never be allowed to have a tactical advantage in any shootout.

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  • ChicagoSeminole said... (original post)

    I Heard his last words were "bang bang pow pow pow"

    I laffed, but I'm a twisted motherfather.

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  • I'm betting the area this kid was in had a lot to do with how nervous the cop was. The video says that cops have already killed three people in that area this year. Sounds like a place you don't want to be after dark. That toy looks real from a distance. Cop sees that, in a high crime area, he's liable to shoot first and ask questions later. Unfortunately, like the Zimmerman case, we'll never hear the other half of the story. Pretty tragic.

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  • GDubyaHokie said... (original post)

    So the officer was to wait until the gun was pointed directly at him before firing? And suppose it was a real gun and the kid intended to fire (which the officer had reasonable suspicion to believe since his orders to drop the gun were not followed). How much of a chance would the officer had of going home to his family tonight? That God that scenario is not precedent or the police would never be allowed to have a tactical advantage in any shootout.

    So when someone hollers at you, you automatically hear and understand EVERY SINGLE WORD that person has hollered. Well, I have been hollered at more than once from across the street and didn't understand most of what was said. One time, I didn't even hear them hollering til they hollered a second time. But when someone does holler at you and you have your back turned, because of the sound, you automatically turn around and while doing so, whatever is in your hand automatically moves with you. Yes, the police officer should have waited til he was completely turned around but he should have hollered his instructions again while the kid was turning around so he could be sure the kid understood. Since only one police officer shot and the other one did not, that leaves into question the judgement of the police officer that shot first with only one warning. This is a lawsuit that will be won in court and the police officer will lose his job, more than likely because he shot too soon before fully understanding the situation and finding out all the facts.

  • I'm shocked no one from the Bible belt said.....

    "Obama"

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  • abrellbama5818 said... (original post)

    So when someone hollers at you, you automatically hear and understand EVERY SINGLE WORD that person has hollered. Well, I have been hollered at more than once from across the street and didn't understand most of what was said. One time, I didn't even hear them hollering til they hollered a second time. But when someone does holler at you and you have your back turned, because of the sound, you automatically turn around and while doing so, whatever is in your hand automatically moves with you. Yes, the police officer should have waited til he was completely turned around but he should have hollered his instructions again while the kid was turning around so he could be sure the kid understood. Since only one police officer shot and the other one did not, that leaves into question the judgement of the police officer that shot first with only one warning. This is a lawsuit that will be won in court and the police officer will lose his job, more than likely because he shot too soon before fully understanding the situation and finding out all the facts.

    Totally agree about the hollering part. Unfortunate circumstances. That's why being a police officer isn't easy. Getting paid dick to got shot at, spit at, and monday morning QB'd in a life-or-death situation-- not a freakin' game-- sucks balls. I'm sure this guy feels bad enough over shooting a kid. Period. Nevertheless, the hollering part doesn't make this situation a "bad shoot" though. Officer acted in a way to protect his own life.

    Lot's of factors can play into why the other officer didn't shoot. Angle allow him to recognize there wasn't an imminent danger? Did he have the time,ability, or means to communicate to the other officer, if so? If he still determined there was danger, did the other officer have a clear shot? Would it have endangered others? The possibilities are endless. It doesn't always work out like the movies.

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  • AU4Brent said... (original post)

    I'm betting the area this kid was in had a lot to do with how nervous the cop was. The video says that cops have already killed three people in that area this year. Sounds like a place you don't want to be after dark. That toy looks real from a distance. Cop sees that, in a high crime area, he's liable to shoot first and ask questions later. Unfortunately, like the Zimmerman case, we'll never hear the other half of the story. Pretty tragic.

    Thats a really bizarre stat on the shootings. I grew up close to there. Santa Rosa is proto all American small town USA. Adjacent to wine country. I would have guessed the violent crime was zero. It's not even remotely close to being a bad area.

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  • Will patiently await Obama claiming racism and how he use to walk around with toy guns and could have been shot

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  • GDubyaHokie said... (original post)

    Totally agree about the hollering part. Unfortunate circumstances. That's why being a police officer isn't easy. Getting paid dick to got shot at, spit at, and monday morning QB'd in a life-or-death situation-- not a freakin' game-- sucks balls. I'm sure this guy feels bad enough over shooting a kid. Period. Nevertheless, the hollering part doesn't make this situation a "bad shoot" though. Officer acted in a way to protect his own life.

    Lot's of factors can play into why the other officer didn't shoot. Angle allow him to recognize there wasn't an imminent danger? Did he have the time,ability, or means to communicate to the other officer, if so? If he still determined there was danger, did the other officer have a clear shot? Would it have endangered others? The possibilities are endless. It doesn't always work out like the movies.

    I totally agree. I have great respect for the police officers. I had many officers that were friends of mine when I was much younger. They used to come over and fill out their police reports while we chatted. Great people and only human. They hated going to car wrecks. One of my friends went to a bad wreck where the woman was dead. They had to get her body out of the car. My friend took the feet while his partner took the head and shoulders and the head came off in his hands and he dropped the body and threw up everywhere. They hate those things. Yes, it is a dangerous job. One of my friends was called to a 7-11 robbery taking place. He jumps out of the car as the perp is running from the store. He hollers at him to stop 3 times. The guy finally stops, starts to turn around and my friend swore he had a gun in his hand but it was dark. Anyway, he shoots the perp and kills him right there. There is no gun though. Then the "cover up" happens. His boss plants a gun by the body, all this came out, the entire 3rd unit is fired and of course my friend has to stand trial. He didn't go to prison but none of them are police officers anymore. Like I said, they are only human but this kid was 13, probably didn't even understand what the police officer hollered because his back was turned and it just all went wrong. The police officer just shot too soon IMO. Like I said, I have great respect for police officers because their pay is NOT GOOD, bad hours, people hate them and they put their lives at risk to save others with little to no appreciation but he just needs to admit he made a mistake and deal with it.

  • 34WEbuckeye said... (original post)

    FIFY!

    LOL. Everyone is a thug when you make up history.

    Nothing proves he sold weed
    Nothing proves he stole jewelry
    He DID spray paint something at school and got suspended.
    Nothing proves he attacked a bus driver. That'll probably get you suspended.
    Nothing proves he attacked a curious citizen.

  • MarylandDawg said... (original post)

    Will patiently await Obama claiming racism and how he use to walk around with toy guns and could have been shot

    When did Obama claim racism?

  • Status said... (original post)

    Kinda ironic...but good job.

  • Jeff4SC said... (original post)

    The only thing that doesnt make much sense is the deputy saying when he turned around it was rising up.

    Well...was it pointing at him or pointing straight up in the air

    Are you going to take a chance being outgunned by someone who had a rifle, when you have to hand gun?

  • OHSethIO said... (original post)

    Are you going to take a chance being outgunned by someone who had a rifle, when you have to hand gun?

    Then I sure don't want you as a cop in my city. If you can't distinguish between a fake rifle and a real AK-47 and you are more concerned about your life than you are the lives of others, I just don't want you protecting my streets. You really have to love people to be a good cop these days. It sure isn't an easy job and doesn't pay enough but you are hiding behind your police car. You aren't standing out in the open while the kid turns around so you have a little time. I don't want you trigger happy shooting first and asking questions later. You are supposed to be protecting citizens, not killing children and yes, a 13 year old is a child. I don't care what anyone says. A 13 year old is a child.

  • Jeff4SC said... (original post)

    In our society, with our educators and law enforcers being two of the lower paid career paths. You have to expect this kind of stuff to happen.

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  • abrellbama5818 said... (original post)

    Then I sure don't want you as a cop in my city. If you can't distinguish between a fake rifle and a real AK-47 and you are more concerned about your life than you are the lives of others, I just don't want you protecting my streets. You really have to love people to be a good cop these days. It sure isn't an easy job and doesn't pay enough but you are hiding behind your police car. You aren't standing out in the open while the kid turns around so you have a little time. I don't want you trigger happy shooting first and asking questions later. You are supposed to be protecting citizens, not killing children and yes, a 13 year old is a child. I don't care what anyone says. A 13 year old is a child.

    So, I'm supposed to put my life on the line, and hope that a kid, I do not know won't shoot me before I can determine if the gun is real or not?

    OK, makes sense... A 13 year old can and have killed people before, so while it is a child, he or she had the functions to make a decision to fire or not.

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  • abrellbama5818 said... (original post)

    I totally agree. I have great respect for the police officers. I had many officers that were friends of mine when I was much younger. They used to come over and fill out their police reports while we chatted. Great people and only human. They hated going to car wrecks. One of my friends went to a bad wreck where the woman was dead. They had to get her body out of the car. My friend took the feet while his partner took the head and shoulders and the head came off in his hands and he dropped the body and threw up everywhere. They hate those things. Yes, it is a dangerous job. One of my friends was called to a 7-11 robbery taking place. He jumps out of the car as the perp is running from the store. He hollers at him to stop 3 times. The guy finally stops, starts to turn around and my friend swore he had a gun in his hand but it was dark. Anyway, he shoots the perp and kills him right there. There is no gun though. Then the "cover up" happens. His boss plants a gun by the body, all this came out, the entire 3rd unit is fired and of course my friend has to stand trial. He didn't go to prison but none of them are police officers anymore. Like I said, they are only human but this kid was 13, probably didn't even understand what the police officer hollered because his back was turned and it just all went wrong. The police officer just shot too soon IMO. Like I said, I have great respect for police officers because their pay is NOT GOOD, bad hours, people hate them and they put their lives at risk to save others with little to no appreciation but he just needs to admit he made a mistake and deal with it.

    You respect bad & corrupt cops. Your friend is one.

    He shot & killed a guy then proceeded to cover it up.

    Then because he was cop not a civilian he didn't get in trouble for it.

    Problems. You have them.

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  • Nole of 16 said... (original post)

    You respect bad & corrupt cops. Your friend is one.

    He shot & killed a guy then proceeded to cover it up.

    Then because he was cop not a civilian he didn't get in trouble for it.

    Problems. You have them.

    I don't have the problems. Bad decisions were made. He and his partner were called to a robbery in progress. As they got to the store, the guy was running from the store, my friend jumped out and chased him and bad decisions were made from there. They were told that the perp had a gun and he swore the guy had a gun in his hand but he did not. So yes, very bad decisions were made from the top down and they all paid the consequences for it. No, my friend didn't go to prison because the guy WAS IN FACT the robber but he didn't have a gun. So no, in a situation like that, the police officer would not go to prison for a robbery in progress.

    This 13 year old was playing with a toy AK-47. Entirely different situation and bad decisions were made on that one. There will be consequences where the police officer will probably lose his job. They do have to make split second decisions at times but in this case, it was a toy AK-47 that couldn't have hurt the officers or anyone else. They should be able to tell the difference. They were "cruising" the area, not called out because of the 13 year old.

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    There is no way 99.9% of the population could have been able to tell the difference beyond a 5 foot distance. That's a joke.

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    abrellbama5818 said... (original post)

    It used to be safe to play cops and robbers when you were kids growing up. No way can you do that in your yard anymore. Neighbors would call the police and have you arrested for having a "gun" and pointing it at another kid. Just sad the way this country is turning out.

    Dude. Not the same at all...

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    GDubyaHokie said... (original post)

    So the officer was to wait until the gun was pointed directly at him before firing? And suppose it was a real gun and the kid intended to fire (which the officer had reasonable suspicion to believe since his orders to drop the gun were not followed). How much of a chance would the officer had of going home to his family tonight? That God that scenario is not precedent or the police would never be allowed to have a tactical advantage in any shootout.

    Did you see me say that? No, you didn't.

    I said it would be nice to get clarification. I'm sure we will eventually because the family will prolly fight it in court.

  • Did any of you even read the article? It sure doesn't sound like it. "A sheriff's deputy mistakenly thought he saw a teen carrying an assault rifle on a California street this week and shot him dead, authorities said." "They pulled over "but maintained cover behind their open passenger door". As the child was turning toward them the deputy feared for his life as the rifle was rising so he shot him. He didn't even give the kid a chance to turn around before shots (not one but shots) were fired. Clearly, the officer made a mistake and needs to just own up to it. He was chicken. You don't want someone like that protecting your community.

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    abrellbama5818 said... (original post)

    Did any of you even read the article? It sure doesn't sound like it. "A sheriff's deputy mistakenly thought he saw a teen carrying an assault rifle on a California street this week and shot him dead, authorities said." "They pulled over "but maintained cover behind their open passenger door". As the child was turning toward them the deputy feared for his life as the rifle was rising so he shot him. He didn't even give the kid a chance to turn around before shots (not one but shots) were fired. Clearly, the officer made a mistake and needs to just own up to it. He was chicken. You don't want someone like that protecting your community.

    Which is why I said we need clarification.

    Hopefully in court we get it