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You're absolutely correct. They are not, but that's not the only criteria. That's a big one for Miami. Notre Dame has the biggest money following of all time in all collegiate sports. Fact. You can go to NYC, Idaho, Hawaii....it doesn't matter and you will find not only a following, but a money following.
They have the richest history. Yeah, bama is close, but who knows Bamas fight song? Everybody knows Notre Dame's.
They are NBC. Nobody can come close to touching this.
They can get almost any recruit they go after, even devout Mormons to a Catholic school.
Notre Dame's name rings world wide. Go to Europe. If there are people pulling for a college football school, it's most likely Notre Dame.
Their label and brand is WORLD recognized.
It's the Yankees of college football and I say this as a Yankee fan and Miami Hurricane fan. There's no better job than ND.
God forbid you ask boosters for money there, it's like going to an unlimited ATM machine.
The other thing is that they can recruit against anybody. And by that I mean, if a kid has the grades and is from Louisiana, Texas, California, Florida, Georgia, etc etc etc... They can go head to head and in a LOT of cases outrecruit the other schools due to their name.
I don't wear rose colored glasses even being a Canes fan. South Bend is #1.
And if you win a title and retire??? LOL...yer in every single golf club, hunting club, higher circle that your little heart desires to get into...
You guys are looking at wins and losses, etc... you have to look at the whole picture. Sure LSU has money, not Notre Dame money. You might have it on campus, but not worldwide. BIG DIFFERENCE...
Not true. He didn't at Michigan St...
Still not better than USC.
After that, I go Texas 2 and USC 3. After that, it's a toss up. You have great schools like Bama, Ohio St, Florida, FSU, Georgia, LSU, Michigan, Oklahoma, Auburn...hell, you can name just about every SEC school except Ole Miss, Miss St, Kentucky and Vandy.
Is South Carolina top 10? Probably not, but being in the SEC they're not out of the picture.
You gotta throw Penn St in there....still.
USC doesn't have the worldwide money OR their own national network.
Notre Dame mind you also plays in the most historic stadium.
This isn't the 1980s anymore. Those gold helmets don't have the same shine they used to. Sure, they have NBC, but if you're a major football program in a major conference, all of your games are on TV anyway. Notre Dame meant alot to my father's generation (he's 55 and I'm 23) but it means almost nothing to mine. They could restore some of that, but it would take an extended period of high level success. Big money boosters around the world doesn't really make a difference in this discussion. It comes into play more when recruiting students on the academic side.
I'd say ND is certainly after Texas, USC, Alabama, Florida, and you could make an argument for a couple of others.
This post was edited by FortWorthTide 13 months ago
When the format changes to the playoffs, maybe that will make, the guys undervaluing built in recruiting grounds, notice its advantages.
USC isn't hurting for $$, for 1, and their recruiting advantage is second to none. Without sanctions, you're looking at a program that is the head honcho of an entire time zone.
There's no program that can claim that advantage. Bama, UF, Texas, LSU, Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, Georgia, OSU, Mich, etc all battle against one another for recruits, in their specific regions.
This post was edited by CRgator1 13 months ago
Oh yeah? They're gonna have a bitch of a time keeping them away from Mora now....
Not nationally. No program in the country can go since 88 without a title and still have the same clout as Notre Dame. NOT ONE.
Typical Alabama fan these days = every prospect in the country wants to play for them, they will never lose a game again, they will win every national title for the next several years, everyone else sucks.
We're not talking about Mora vs Kiffin.
Recruiting base matters the most.
Theres a reason multiple coaches have won national championships at Miami since the 80's
10. Notre Dame
I'd put Florida at 3-4 and Georgia would be in my top 10.
I would say that taking tradition out of it and looking at the potential of a head coaching job if the right guy was there id have LSU 4th in the SEC. 1. Alabama 2a. Florida. 2b. Georgia (because of the incredible in state talent. If someone locked that state down ga would be on bama's level). 4 LSU. 5. (And closing fast) Texas AM.
As far as nationally id put Texas, USC, Ohio st. Ahead of LSU.
So id have LSU 4th in the SEC and 7th in the country, but you could also make an argument for Michigan, Oklahoma or Notre Dame based on more traditional. Although they havent been as good in the 2000's as lsu and dont have the in state talent of lsu.
There's plenty of examples of teams that pull in top classes and continue to underachieve. Getting great players is important but give me a coach who can develop 3* players over a coach who gets 5* talent and can't.
While I agree with many of your points Coach, this might be a tad of an overstatement...you really have no idea the attraction USC has for young FB players, and their parents and grandparents in SoCal - the only program on this side of the country that has been consistently dedicated to it's football program - 100 years worth, and took aggressive steps to take the program nationally over 80 years ago. What other program on the west coast has done so? It takes hard work to maintain, it's easier to build a program, than rebuild it.
UCLA and it's alums do not have the dedication or funds to invest in their football program, look how long it took them to renovate Pauley? USC has the beautiful Galen Center (2005), it took USC building a state of the art basketball stadium to shame them into renovating their own..and they're a basketball school. UCLA is a state school, a puppet to the state of California, USC is not, and she has a long line of boosters/alums with open pockets willing to give anything to bring the program back.
I'm not even going to go into money with you...anyone that keeps track of university fundraising, and which universities have ready cash to spend, know USC is a very wealthy university, with a world wide following that has Trojan Clubs in 7 continents of the world.
"Here are provided seats of meditative joy, where shall rise again the destined reign of Troy." Virgil
Your point is valid.
But, I don't know how relevant it is, to this thread.
Saban isn't gonna win as many gms/championships coaching @ Boise St., as Miles @ UGA.
I think Saban would have already won a couple at UGA,Auburn, LSU,etc. Those 3 teams have pulled in top class after top class and still haven't done anything of note.
This post was edited by DrStache 13 months ago
Again you're correct, but that's not saying too much.
That's just saying he's a better coach than Richt and Miles.
He probably wouldn't have any if he was coaching at Washington.
Well it's hard to say how many he'd have coaching anywhere else. I think recruiting is an important part of it but overrated a bit. That's all I was saying.
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