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Not sure how my perspective is skewed. I have your team as the #1 job. How is this list in any way unfair?
5) Ohio state (3-5 can be interchanged depending on current factors)
6) Notre Dame
7) Florida state
I don't think it was a top 10 attractive job before Lestergate.
Notre Dame pulls a lot of kids out of California...my kids attended Catholic schools, and I've seen ND coaches in and out of our HS in town for decades..and that's just me seeing it myself..
The Archdiocese of Los Angeles is the largest (& wealthiest) in the country, and Notre Dame still retains it's mystique out here.
Eddie Vanderdoes and Max Redfield say "hi!"...and that just this last recruitment, the list is long , dating back for generations.
*Notre Dame will beat out any OOS university for our kids, because they have had such a strong presence in this state...since over 80 years ago, when the USC vs Notre Dame rivalry began. The Domers are smart, they solidified their presence in Northern California with their series with Stanford.
This post was edited by usctrojan1 16 months ago
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That is a fine list, but if you knock out FSU, Georgia and LSU and insert Michigan, Penn State and Tennessee, it is an equally fine list.
Except that the three I had orginally have far better recruiting grounds than the three you had.
Oklahoma doesn't have a great recruiting ground, but they are one of the winningest programs. They recruit Texas and recruit nationally. Michigan has more wins than any other program. Somehow they manage. Penn State is a top 10 job no matter how you slice it. If you go by recruiting grounds, then shouldn't A&M have had more than 1 Top 5 finish in the last 50 years?
But A&M has traditionally been second fiddle to Texas, just as OU has. And OU for the most part can only draw from Texas. They don't really move the needle in Lousiana or any other nearby big talent state. In that region, Texas is the best job and it's not close. That drops OU down a notch (still top 15 though). Michigan has the most wins, but many are ancient and they play in what for many years was a two team league (padding their numbers). Ohio State is the best job in that region, and ND is also a better job than Michigan. That area has a lack of players. The best state is Ohio and OSU will always do better than Michigan there. ND can go more national to get players. Penn State has gone down and will continue to do so as the talent pool moves to the south and out west.
Tradition does play a big role - as an Alabama fan I'll never underplay its value. But proximity of elite players is extremely important as well. If you can't largely control a top tier state (USC with California and Texas with Texas - that's why they're the two best jobs) you have to be close to several good states. That's why I can easily defend Alabama being a top 3-5 job. Although Alabama isn't Texas or California in terms of talent, it's in the next tier and also shares a border with Georgia and Florida - two of the best. Tradition alone isn't enough. Proximity to talent isn't enough. You must have both. The Midwestern and northern programs that can't truly recruit nationally (I'd say a good bit more than half of a roster made up of out of state kids) will struggle to succeed in years to come, even with tradition. OSU will be ok because Ohio is the only remaining state in the region with sufficient talent.
A&M doesn't have the history yet to pair with the fertile recruiting ground. They moved conferences to create buzz in place of history. Just as Oregon uses Nike to create buzz in place of history (to pair with their fertile recruiting ground to the south). There is most definitely a formula - and I don't think Michigan and Penn State fit it. ND is the only one of the three with a long term chance (I'm talking still successful 25 years from now) but they'll have to have a few consecutive years of success or they'll face the same fate that UM and PSU are already beginning to face.
This post was edited by FortWorthTide 16 months ago
You're kind of a big deal.
Alabama fans love Alabama football
Auburn fans love Auburn University
I think we need to remember that this is top 10 job, not top 10 program.
Mircrosoft and Facebook are top 10 companies, but working at Hugh Hefner's estate is a better job to me!
U 1 smart boy.
Honestly with the title this thread has it could be neverending. Lol
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