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I tried posting a a thread about this article on TOS, but was accused of trolling, don't know why I even bothered.
Anyway after reading this not saying I completely agree with it, but if Alabama were to claim titles the way ND does, would people give Alabama less crap about our titles if we claimed the ten listed in this article?
Also interested in my fellow Bama fans response to it.
Alabama was advertised as vying for its “15th national title and Notre Dame its “12th.” Is that really accurate? It depends on how you want to spin it.
This post was edited by TroyTide 16 months ago
ND only claims consensus national titles. They should be adding 1 more in the next few weeks.
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Notre Dame gets prissy and takes some of our titles away because we lost the bowl game the same year. Yet they claim NC'a when not even playing in some bowls cause "Bowls don't matter". We have more AP,BCS and UPI titles than they do and every school claims them so put that in their pipe and smoke it.
I know, remember? I linked the article. And even asked a question about it.
Oklahoma and Texas claim national titles in which they lost their bowl game.
ND and Auburn claim national titles in which they didn't play in a bowl
10 Major Poll National Titles (CFB record)
35 Bowl Wins (CFB record)
72 Wins over last 6 years (CFB record)
I do know. I was just commenting.
No I didn't read the article this time because I have read it before, on this board.
If all schools ONLY claim consensus titles, then there should be no problems. Correct?
If you need this much explanation on who won the title in a paticular year the "title" isn't worth much anyway.
"just as Alabama does with its “15.” "
See! Even the Notre Dame writers know there's no hope for the Irish.
This post was edited by BetterOff 16 months ago
*Alabama: Berryman, UPI
Michigan: National Championship Foundation, Poling
*Notre Dame: AP, FB News, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF
Ohio State: FACT, National Championship Foundation, Poling
Oklahoma: Billingsley, DeVold, Dunkel, Football Research, Sagarin
*Alabama: Football Research, Parke Davis
*Notre Dame: Billingsley, Boand, Dickinson, Dunkel, Helms, Houlgate, National Championship Foundation, Parke Davis, Poling
Looks consensus to me. Next
You might want to delete your comment
1973 is an interesting year.
There were four undefeated teams: ND, OSU, Michigan and Oklahoma.
Michigan and OSU tied each other. Oklahoma tied USC (Ohio State crushed USC in the Rose Bowl).
ND finished undefeated and untied.
Bama making any claim to '73 is a complete joke.
By that rational, am I to believe you didn't attend Bama since you can't spell?
Another ND-Bama message board pissing contest
So, I know the definition of the word. What is your definition of the word, professor?
Below is a list of the national champions of college football from 1869–present (with the exception of 1871, in which no games were played) deemed to be chosen by "major selectors" as listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records. Many teams did not have coaches as late as 1899. "Consensus" selectors in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records correspond to the period from 1950 to present which began with the introduction of the two poll system upon the appearance of the Coaches Poll in 1950. Selectors used to determine teams listed as "Consensus National Champions" in the NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records include the AP Poll, Coaches' Poll, Football Writers Association of America, and the National Football Foundation/College Football Hall of Fame.
The first contemporaneous poll to include teams across the country and selection of a national champions can be traced to Caspar Whitney in 1901. The last retroactive selection was made by Clyde Berryman in 1989 (Notre Dame). The tie was removed from college football in 1995 and the last consensus champion with a tie in its record was Georgia Tech in 1990. The 1947 Michigan Wolverines are often credited with a national championship on the basis of a "free poll" conducted by an AP sportswriter after the 1948 Rose Bowl, though that poll was unofficial and it is not recognized in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records.
Note that the Harris Interactive Poll (2005–present) is contracted by the BCS to help formulate its standings, and although its final ranking which occurs prior to the bowl games is listed in the official NCAA Football Bowl Subdivision Records, it does not conduct a final poll or award or name a national champion on its own and so has been eliminated.
This is how the NCAA decides a 'consensus' champion. By NCAA definition, ND was consensus national champs in 1930 and 1973 (Alabama in '73 as well. ND was AP and Bama UPI)
Enough arguing BamaLives, we have a pretty important game coming up. Next time you are in Chicago, you can come to my office and check out my ND degree if it makes you feel better.
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Princeton 28 = most championships
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
That is true. I believe Yale was next with 27
Bama 24 - ND 10 - that's all that is going to matter in a month.
IVY, IVY, IVY, IVY
Consensus doesn't mean unanimous for CFB titles. It's weird but it is and has been the case.
And for other things too, that's why there are phrases like " general consensus" .
But they do and any team can claim whatever they want. When the media guide jumps up 5 extra in one year, crazy stuff
USC added a national title from 1939.......in 2004.
They did get more selectors in 73 than we did. As well as 1930 albeit most retroactively. Point is, its not a bad way to determine which titles to claim. If we did it we would claim 10, still the second most, and would probably not catch near the crap we do. Titles don't mean much if you are the only one that recognizes then for the most part.
Bedides we would tie them at 11 consensus titles this year anyway.
Well said, my wife is a bama/irish fan. I am a auburn/irish fan. I look forward to a great game of defense. Truth is it is only about this year and then we move one to next year. The rest is all about t-shirts sales.
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