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i meant it's irrelevent to this discussion vis-a-vis gun-rights. i believe guns should be legal for self-defens, not for hunting. if hunting was the only purpose for guns being legal, i would say they should not be legal. just hunt with bow and arrow in that hypothetical
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.--Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
More to the point - hunting isn't a relevant issue in gun rights, period. Gun rights supporters say, "2nd amendment", but the 2nd amendment doesn't mention hunting. Hence, irrelevant.
Don't care to go back and read anything you said as you are clearly ignorant to the facts of a .223 round.. Go do some research then get back to me.
why would i put something on the board for a child that died? sounds silly to me... I'm not on the board 24/7. sorry.
I clearly said when someone asked me "aren't all guns designed to kill?" And I said the simple answer is no. Now you just really made a complete ass out of yourself. Congrats dumbass.
Hey, you're not banned. Congrats
The point of the 2nd amendment is to allow people a means to defend themselves from the government and any other threat. To that end, it is not ludicrous for a guy to own an AR-15 with 4 30-round clips and a bunch of .223 ammo (and a bunch more). Lets go through this for an avid hunter, shooter and see what would be a decent set of tools (not collecting b/c then the numbers go way up).
.22 Ruger Mk II - great plinking pistol that is a great gun to teach someone how to shoot or to cheaply target practice a lot.
9mm Glock (or any other brand) - all NATO countries fire 9mm, so having a 9mm makes sense as there will be plenty of ammo around should you need to use the base 2nd amendment rights.
AR-15 - same as 9mm
12-ga shotgun (over/under benelli) - duck hunting
12-ga shotgun (mossberg 500 or other pump) - great all purpose shotgun, use when you are required to use a shotgun for deer hunting
.30-06 (Remington 742) - very popular deer rifle
Ruger 10-22 - great little .22 rifle that is easy to teach people how to shoot with and doubles as a squirrel gun (rabbits too).
.410 shotgun - you don't start teaching a kid/wife how to shoot a shotgun with a 12-ga
Big Bore Rifle (> .300 magnum) - yearly trip big game hunting.
.357 revolver - the "carry gun" that you keep in your car/truck that is always ready
.380 or ??? caliber for you own personal carry gun when you feel it is warranted.
You can easily get to 10+ guns based on basic needs for an avid enthusiast. Now let's say you are a collector (google Charlton Heston's basement - lord he had an awesome collection), the numbers can skyrocket quickly and there is ZERO reason to not allow this of a non-felon/non-mental patient.
Again, it all boils down to two simple facts (not opinions):
1 - The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting, but is there to allow the people to protect themselves from the gov't. So yes an AR or AK or any other military style weapon is warranted protection by the 2nd amendment.
2 - Criminals and psychopaths do not obey the laws, so disarming law-abiding citizens only makes the commission of their crime easier (or makes it easier for gov't to trample citizens - see pre WWII German Jews and gun registration).
I think the one guy is confusing the .223 round with the M-4/M-16/AR design which shoots .223. The rifling of the AR/M series was designed with wounding, no killing, in mind. When you wound a soldier on the battle field, you take out 2-3 people. When you kill him, you take out 1, thus our modern military rifle (M-4, modern M-16) was not designed to kill.
The .223 caliber bullet has been around for a long time. The popular Ruger Mini-14 shoots the .223 and is a ranch-rifle designed to fit behind the seat of a truck and shoot flat for varmints like coyotes.
I'm not saying this is what happened here but if you don't believe it's happened countless times throughout history then IDK what to tell you really. False flags are another example of killing innocents to pass an agenda. Pretty common practice historically.
"Nobody makes me bleed my own blood, nobody!"
sounds legit to me, and i don't even like guns. i'll borrow one from you for the next Red Dawn scenario
In order to be effective with guns, you need to be familiar with them. The idea of holding/shooting one cannot frighten you. Guns are like insurance, you probably won't need them, but it sucks really bad when you need one and don't have it.
Sucks really bad too when things go wrong in he heat of a bad moment
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