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It's no question NS is the best in the college business at defense, but is BP considered the best on the offensive side?
Would be interesting to have them in the same state, if Bobby is given a staff around him full of great recruiters.
Saban at Alabama would dominate Petrino at AU.
Bama >>>>> Auburn
Saban >>>> Petrino
Saban at UA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petrino at AU
This post was edited by Morgan Holder 19 months ago
The only time Saban has faced a Petrino-led Auburn squad, it was 31-7. Advantage, BP.
This post was edited by faulkner41 19 months ago
Petrino is a good coach but %50 of great coaches do this thing called recruiting. He is not a good enough recruiter. He's a great coach, don't get me wrong but there's a bunch of guys out there that are better coaches, better people and recruiters.
This post was edited by Lesticals 19 months ago
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
I think for him to be hired at Auburn, he would have to agree to keep some of our excellent recruiters on staff and probably BVG as DC.
I can only imagine what he would do with the development of 6'6" 230 lbs Jeremy Johnson at his disposal and our OL.
My response to your title:
A great coach is that way because he is outstanding at all facets of the institution/organization. Saban has developed that at Alabama. Petrino is arguably a good offensive X and O coach, but what else is there?
Are they the best coaches?
Arguably Saban is; Petrino would have to receive another chance.
Our world doesn't allow for chances/opportunities to develop for very long; especially a head college football position.
I definitely agree that while they're arguably equals in X's and O's, Saban is a million times the better recruiter. At Arkansas, Petrino was facing an enormous talent advantage when up against Saban.
At Auburn, he would have a much easier school to recruit to, a staff of excellent recruiters, and the ability to have a legit DC (BVG for example). Petrino would kill it with Top 10 recruiting classes at his disposal and I believe the lack of talent is the only thing keeping him from already having a BCS Championship.
I will never say anything negative about Saban's coaching ability on defense. His track record speaks for itself. Also his organization and control is second to none.
Petrino is a top end offensive coach but is he the best? I think Art Briles is comparable as an offensive guy. Probably a few more as well.
As far as Saban at Bama and Petrino at Auburn, advantage Bama. Bama under Saban had completely gotten into Petrino's head when he was at Arkansas. I know people will bring up the talent part but Arkansas had/has better offensive talent than Auburn and Auburn doesn't hurt when it comes to recruiting prowess right now, so from that standpoint it holds no water to me. He may would have a better defense at Auburn but if his offenses are completely unnerved and turning the ball over constantly like they have in the past against Saban's Bama teams then it doesn't matter.
I am not sure I would put Petrino in the same league as a coach than Saban.
There is so much more to being a head coach than coaching one side of the ball.
I think Petrino is more favorable with Mike Price or Mike DuBose if we want to put them in the same sentence as people that have been hired at Alabama.
Chiz = Debose
Oh Hell yeah
Best defensive minded head coach: Saban
Best offensive minded head coach: Chip Kelly
Maybe, but why would Petrino=DuBose and Price be more fitting. Think about it!
Auburn lives in some fantasy world where they can hire a coach and then the AD can tell the coach how to coach.
Accomplishments and honors
1 C-USA (2004)
1 Big East (2006)
3 National Championships (2003, 2009, 2011)
3 SEC Championships (2001, 2003, 2009)
5 SEC Western Division Titles (2001–2003, 2008–2009)
2× AP National Coach of the Year (2003, 2008)
2003 Paul "Bear" Bryant Award
2× Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year (2003, 2008)
2008 Home Depot Coach of the Year Award
2008 Walter Camp Coach of the Year
2008 Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award
3× SEC Coach of the Year (2003, 2008–2009)
2009 AFCA Region II Coach of the Year
2010 Amos Alonzo Stagg Coaching Award
I agree, he would have beaten ULM before they got to OT.
Actually, that's not a fantasy world. They actually exist in an alternate reality where disgraced ex-coach hires the current coach, then hires his staff for him. Difference is they think it's a good plan. It won't change after they run chiz, either.
Viagra to Shadow
The reason Petrino always had bad defenses is because he puts his best athletes on offense and pretty much recruits 2-1 offense to defense.
2008 - 8 of 18 on defense
2009 - 8 of 27 on defense
2010 - 11 of 20 on defense
2011 - 9 of 21 on defense
2012 - 10 of 26 on defense
So in 5 years, he signed 112 players and only 46 of those were defensive recruits.
I didn't include athletes who may or may not have been put on defense nor did I include guys who might have been signed on offense and switched to defense, but it's pretty clear. He never has a good defense because he doesn't recruit to have a good defense....and I doubt at this point in his career he is going to change the way he does things because it has been pretty successful for him so far.
No No No
To answer the OP.
If Bobby goes to Auburn.. He's a top 2 coach in the country.
If he goes somewhere else.. Well, we'll find someone better.
Saban to auburn! Nothing else will satisfy Dye. Except he wouldn't trade chiz for Saban. Quite the quandary for auburn.
If Bobby goes to Auburn...He's a top 2 coach in the state.
I agree. On offense you almost have to have it categorized into what kind of offense. I do think that Petrino is the best at a pro style offense. But Chip Kelly, Rich Rod, Art Briles & Leach are all guys that are very good at piling up yardage and points in a spread offense.
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