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...does anyone else think this years crop of RB's are extremely overrated? Greg Bryant, Ty Issac, Thomas Tyner, and (incoming) Altee Tenpenny? I don't know, just seems like they are all a little high. But now each will win the Heisman. lol
This post was edited by Weedline 19 months ago
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I've definitely never understood the over Isaac, and judging by the show Portlandia I can't imagine Tyner plays against very stout competition.
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We recruited Bryant as a DB...Tenpenny will have time to develop in our program, and has all the tools to do that. I think Tyren Jones is the only one that should be ranked above all of these. Tyren is a Top20 player and the best pure RB in this class.
Every class is over rated. Just speaking from an SC standpoint, we've had a crazy amount of 5* backs since Reggie.... our best RB since has been a 5'5 160lb 3* or maybe the converted linbacker Allen Bradford that should have stayed a LB.
All that said, IMO Ty will be one of the best RBs in this years crop. Mostly just to piss off Michigan fans.
The guys you mentioned are at the forefront of the "overrated" list for me for different reasons along with a couple others.
Kelvin Taylor- Was initially on my overrated listed. Although I still don't think he's the #1 RB in the nation, I have been impressed with what I've seen of him this season. He has good power in the hole and shiftiness. I'm still concerned about his top-end speed but I think he'll be a good SEC RB. Kinda reminds me of Mike Gillislee, current UF RB. One thing that does concern me just a bit is the level of competition he played in HS as well as the fact that he turned 19 years old in September. Kelvin Taylor is older than Todd Gurley, TJ Yeldon, and Keith Marshall. In fact he's almost a full 1 year older than Gurley.
Greg Byrant- Seemed to be a little stiff with a short stride (tight hip flexors) but he grew on me this year as he seems to have improved his agility, runs physical, and is better than I initially thought at catching the ball out of the backfield.
Ty Isaac- Honestly, I think his best position in college may be H-Back/TE. He dominated against lesser competition and doesn't exhibit great shiftiness, agility or power....at least not at the level I think translates to an elite college RB. Who in the NFL at RB does he remind you of in terms of skillset? Exactly.
Thomas Tyner- More concerned about his level of competition and toughness/injury issues. Has the best "pure measureables" in the 2013 class in terms of size & speed ratio.......but then again, neither of the top 3 NFL rushers of all-time had elite measureables....meaning there are a lot more impact aspects to being a good RB than size and 40 time.
Altee Tenpenny- Good timed athlete but does not look as explosive on film nor like the #2 RB in the nation based on his 2012 film. In fact, his 2 back-ups averaged more yards per carry this year than he did. Concern about his level of competition as well. Seriously don't think he'd be listed as a top 15 RB were in not for the SPARQ Combine. I could be wrong as he has good size, and speed and decent power but he didn't dominate against less than good competition and the state of Arkansas' highest rated defensive player for the 2013 class is a 3 star. In fact the state only has 10 players in the 2013 class that are ranked 3 star or higher. Need to put up Thomas Tyner or Derrick Henry type stats against this competition.
Inexact science though and RB ratings seem to be the most inaccurate position when you look at the best NFL RBs and what they were rated in high school....with the biggest current exceptions being Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch who were both highly rated. Yet guys like Chris Johnson, Arian Foster, Ray Rice and Doug Martin were 2 or 3 star RB prospects out of high school.
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You get out of it what you put into it!
It is a weak crop but I don't think they are overrated because I don't think anyone is saying it's a strong class
There are more than a few guys further down the board I'd rather have than the 5 star guys. I don't see it at all on Bryant. We anted him as a CB.
First, it's no secret I am a huge Tyren Jones fan. With that admission out of the way, I will just say that I watch the film of these guys over and over and I am just not blown away by the 5* backs. I have not seen one whose film looks as impressive as Tyren and its a known fact that he has played against probably the best competition compared to the rest of these guys. I look at the fim and ask myself "did I see something from that kid that I don't think the other backs have shown me or can do"....the only back that has those type of runs on film is Jones. Sure not as big as some but runs with just as much power. Not as fast as a couple but fast enough and way better vision and elusiveness. It will be very interesting to look at this group 3 years from now and see how things panned out.
Heck the more I look, Kamara and Travis Custis are two other GA RBs that are more impressive than some of the 5*'s.
This post was edited by heatheatheat 19 months ago
i dont know about overrated per se, just not any that i would include as a 5star. i dont get kelvin taylor being ranked as a 5. he just doesnt have elite speed. ryan green, granted hes a 4 star, has great speed and hands but doesnt run through tackles that great. if you combined these two youd get a true 5 star. to me a 5 star back is yeldon, great toughness and strength, speed, hands, vision etc
i only see a bunch of 4 stars and no 5s. a 5 star back in my book is the complete package with zero holes in his game and i just dont see one this year. a lot of good backs but no great ones
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Dunno but the class with Fournette and Scaraborough will more than make up for it.. Absolutely tremendous class coming up in 2014
Danielle Hunter, Jamario Rasco, Anthony FREAK Johnson.. DL wrecking crew of 2013.
Imagine the sheer possibility of Hill/Yeldon as juniors & Fournette/Scarborough as freshman when Bama/LSU '14 rolls around. Jesus H. Christ.
O/U on combined passing attempts is set at 8.5.
Huddles are for rookies.
There isn't a 5* back this year for me, outside of maybe Tyren (I've bought the hype, he has everything but an additional ~2 inches/10 pounds it seems, which really isn't that important... but I'm good with him being a 4*).
It just seems off seeing Kelvin Taylor and Alex Collins with *****'s beside their name when you look back at the top backs in previous years.
Like Lesticals said, loaded '14 class coming up though.
it would help if your OL was somewhat better at run blocking.
IMO, Leonard Fournette is the best RB in the country, period. I also tend to think he's the best high school football player in the country, but doesn't mean he will ever go #1 in the NFL draft because he is a RB. SPECIAL talent.
I like Bo Scarborough as an athlete for sure. I could see him being a very good OLB long term.
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On paper as 18-19 year olds, not a special RB year/class IMO, but solid with some good depth.
Collins has all the physical gifts plus body type/size combo IMO.
There are some senior risers I really like too...
Here is one, a kid from north of Dallas (Little Elm), Ke'aun Kinner (5-9, 182) that put up 2,692 yards in 10 games in a quality 4A district.
Not a 40 fast kid, but he has every RB instinct one could want. Breaks A LOT of tackles for 180. Just terrific vision and run maximizing ability.
May have to go the JUCO route - will be close.
Fournette is 100% the real deal from everything I have seen. Indeed a SPECIAL talent. Hard to ever compare anybody to Adrian Peterson but that's what I see when I watch his film. The size, speed, vision...kid is legit. Don't know what he's like in passing game (blocker or receiver) but looks like enough of athlete where shouldn't be an issue. Tough position to evaluate but I think hard to miss on this one.
RB Leonard Fournette in 2014 and RB Nicholas Brossette in 2015....LSU has a chance to have one hell of a future duo. Do. not. want. to. deal. with.
Fournette's recruitment will be fun to follow.
LSU, simply put, can't let him get away.
He's Alabama's top RB target in any class at this point.
Burns vs Frank Wilson
Should be a nice battle
Leonard Fournette junior video
Ty Issac=Eddie George. Very, very similar body types and running styles.
Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Ty Isaac looks like a poor man's Jalen Hurd.
Not a bad call.
Someone posted earlier, but Isaac could be hell on wheels as an H-back. He has elite hands. His versatility is the most impressive thing about him.
Hurd is a borderline special athlete for his size.
He has very good hands/ball skills, or in the limited I have seen.
Mentioned Ke'aun Kinner in this thread, but here is what the 5-foot-9, 182-pounder did in an incredible 2012 season in 4A ball in the Dallas area.
Sherman 57, Little Elm 56
46 carries for 432 yards and 4 TD's (8, 7, 21 and 75)
Sherman went 2-3 rounds in the 4A playoffs.
Carrollton Newman Smith 21, Little Elm 7
22 carries for 135 yards
Little Elm 41, Carrollton R.L. Turner 23
22 carries for 275 yards and 3 TD's (49, 49 and 54)
Frisco Centennial 38, Little Elm 13
29 carris for 122 yards
Frisco Centennial was a playoff team.
Little Elm 49, Frisco Liberty 14
32 carries for 343 yards and 5 TD's (1, 2, 11, 8 and 75)
Frisco High 57, Little Elm 20
24 carries for 144 yards and 2 TD's (65 and 13)
Also scored on an 85-yard kickoff return.
Frisco High was the district champ, and went 3 rounds in the 4A playoffs
Little Elm 35, Frisco Heritage 28
32 carries for 339 yards and 4 TD's (61, 72, 3 and 1)
Prosper 31, Little Elm 27
55 carries for 332 yards and 4 TD's (33, 2, 6 and 5)
Prosper was a 4A playoff team that advanced past the first round.
Little Elm 41, Frisco Wakeland 17
57 carries for 345 yards and 2 TD's (4 and 4)
This game was for the final playoff spot in the district.
Little Elm 44, The Colony 29
21 carries for 225 yards and 2 TD's (68 and 62)
2012 regular season numbers (10 games): 340 carries for 2,692 yards and 27 TD's; with averages of 34 carries for 269.2 yards.
4A Playoffs: Mesquite Poteet 50, Little Elm 14
34 carries for 237 yards and 2 TD's (4 and 79), and one reception for 18 yards
2012 Season Stats (11 games): 374 carries for 2,929 yards and 28 TD's, one reception for 18 yards and an 85-yard kickoff return for a TD.
Kinner averaged 34 carries for 266.3 yards per game. He also averaged nearly 300 all-purpose yards per game.
2012 District stats in 7 games: 250 carries for 1,850 yards and 20 TD's; with averages of 35.7 carries for 264.3 yards per game.
Kinner against 4A Playoff teams in 2012 (5 games): 188 carries for 1,267 yards and 13 TD's; with averages of 37.6 carries for 253.4 yards per game.
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