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. Thet criteria is blue print for all UM voters ITT it seems
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
1. Ohio State - Meyer's staff is relatively young, but still managed to go undefeated in 2012. 2 NC rings as an HC are 2 more than any other HC can boast in the Big 10. Recruiting is top notch.
2. PSU - Very impressive job last year, though BOB still have a lot of work ahead of him. I put them up here because the assistants are great, particularly Johnson. Impressive job recruiting so far with the sanctions.
3. Michigan State - The current staff has the best record of any MSU coaches since Duffy Daugherty in the 60's. Defensive assistants are arguably the best in the conference. Offense is a bit of question mark, though the staff has had some good O's in the past. Recruiting is better than it's been, but not elite.
4. Michigan - Transition year for the staff, who took a step back last year after going 11-2 in 2011. Hoke doesn't have a great overall record, but I believe has the best Big 10 record over the past 2 years. Mattison is a very good D-coordinator and Borges gets an incomplete after being forced to use Denard Robinson at QB for most of the last 2 years. Recruiting is top notch, much like it has been, but UM's on-field performance hasn't quite lived up to those rankings.
5. Northwestern - The "does more with less" staff of choice, now that Bielema and Co. are gone. I'm not as high on Fitz as some people, simply because he hasn't been able to field consistently good teams; he's had 2 9+ W teams, but 4 7 W or less teams. Recruiting has been on the uptick this season, but overall Northwestern has not recruited as well as a Big 10 school located next to Chicago should.
6. Nebraska - Pelini has won 9-10 games in each of his first 5 seasons as an HC and 4 CCG appearances. Why is the staff so low on here? Because Nebraska has yet to field a complete team. Their defense was great in '09 and '10, but the offense anemic. In '11 and '12, the O took major steps forward and the defense looked worse and worse. What's this team's identity? The inability to "win the big one" (no conference championships, best bowl W is the Gator) hurts and the recruiting is starting to teeter off. 10 years ago, Nebraska was a blue blood of CFB. That prestige has waned a bit.
7. Iowa - Recent years have taken the bloom off of Kirk Ferentz' rose a bit, but he has led Iowa to some pretty high highs, included 3 BCS bowls. Still, the lows have been very low, including 4 wins in his first 2 years and a 4-8 record last season. The defensive staff suffered quite the shake-up last year, as did the offense; the results were not favorable. Recruiting has really dipped after some strong classes in the mid 2000s.
8. Minnesota - I love Jerry Kill and his team showed a 3 game improvement in 2012. This ranking has more to do with what he's done at other schools however; year 3 under Kill has produced 10 W seasons at his last 2 stops. Though I don't think anyone is predicting that level of success this year, Minnesota should be bowl eligible once again. Recruiting is nothing of note, though outside of Nebraska, Minnesota may have the worst.
9. Wisconsin - There isn't much difference between 6-9 on my list. Gary Anderson was able to take Utah State, one of the most talent poor teams in the country, and lead them to double digit wins last year. Let that sink in for a moment. The biggest issue here is that Anderson is the HC at a major college program for the first time this year, with additional distractions and much much more talented opponents to deal with. I cannot comment much about his staff or recruiting, being a first year HC.
10. Indiana - Wilson essentially blew up Indiana's football team like he was an NFL GM and started from scratch in 2011 (go look at how many players did not return). He played an inordinate amount of true FR during a 1 W season and led the overall of an offense that finished #1 in the Big 10 in passing despite using 3 different QBs. The defense has been atrocious, however, and though IU did see a 3 game jump in the W column last year, that meant they went 4-8. Signed the best class in IU history last year; this year is off to not quite the same start.
11. Purdue - Hazel had a good year at Kent State, going 11-3 after a 5-7 debut. Not much to say here; he coached under Jim Tressel from 2004-2010 (receivers) and produced a pretty potent offense at Kent State. Like Anderson, I can't comment about his staff or recruiting. He has the least experience of any Big 10 coach.
12. Illinois - You knew this was coming; when the prior coach gets fired for not winning enough, and you win 4 fewer games than that guy did in the year he got fired, you deserve to be last on this list. IL had a pretty potent D under Zook, but even that went to birds as the Illini were arguably the worst AQ conf. team in 2012. Recruiting has been amongst the worst in the conference, despite being in one of the better talent producing states in the Big 10 footprint.
Can't wait to see the results calculated so I can see Beckman at the bottom.
t 12. tOSU, PSU, MSU, NW, Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Purdue, Wiscy, NEB, Minny.
Least bias, and best rankings yet IMO.
no ties dude . . . unless you want me to count UM#1 and everyone else #2.
Alternatively, you could just rank UM #1 and leave the rest of your list blank. I count partial lists, but I'm not going to count one where you have 11 teams ranked 12th. I've counted all the flame lists so far, but this is over the line.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by MalibuMan 9 months ago
Wouldn't that technically be T-2? I agree MSU has a top 3 coaching staff.
I love how DWags thinks he is too "cool" to be a part of any thread that starts related to off season predictions by putting his stupid disclaimer in every post about shit getting figured out on the field, and then continuing to be just as invested in a thread as every one else. What a freaking hypocrite.
1. PSU. All I need to say is BOB, this guy is a great coach. The only thing that sucks for Penn State is I question if he is just looking to turn this into an NFL gig.
2. OSU. I don't like Ohio State, I don't like Meyer, but he is a top level coach in football. Another note, not enough OSU poster's flamed to cause the staff to drop.
3. Michigan. Hoke is a great leader. The most important trait in a good head coach imo. More important than X's and O's, wearing a headset etc.
9. Nebraska, Pelini actually sucks and won't be in town much longer, but he is better than the other staffs that are left to choose from.
12. MSU, had to do it. I respect Dantonio as a coach, but too many flame votes by MSU fan's in this thread. Had to offset those that can't think objectively. #recruitingdoesn'tmatter
1. Penn State- The staff as a whole is hands down best in the B1G. LJ & Vandy are arguably the best in the nation at what they do. O'Brien has absolutely worked miracles in a short time. Completely refurbished a stale franchise- this isn't your grandpa's Penn State anymore. Very anxious to see what they're capable of without the sanctions. Fear the butt-chin you "fighters"!
2. OSU- Love him or hate him, Urban Meyer is a hell of a coach, no doubt best in the B1G. If this ranking was just head coaches, Urban would be number 1, no questions asked. Not saying his staff brings him down either, I just feel PSU has a great staff opposed to a very good ohio state staff. The PSU assistants vault them ahead of ohio state IMO.
3. MSU- Constantly put out great defenses. Still manage to have good recruiting classes despite being surrounded by B1G schools.
4. Michigan- Still bit of a mystery to most. Great first year, dynamite recruiting, then on field performance took a step back, but recruiting remains awesome. Will be interesting to see where they end up this year. Proof is in the pudding.
5. Minny- No one does more with less in the B1G than Kill...
6. NW- ...except Pat Fitzgerlad. I put them behind Minny though to offset some ridiculously high rankings (like as high as 2 & 3) ITT.
7. Nebraska- Pelini is clutch in close games. Maybe a little too clutch (still bitter about that b.s. fumble call).
8. Iowa- How Ferentz convinces teenagers to go spend 4 years of their life in Iowa baffles me (like it's f**king Iowa!), but he pulls it off. I always considered them a thorn in Penn State's side & was always nervous about night games in Kinnick Stadium... that was until Matt McGloin out-rushed their entire offense this past year.
12. Illinois- Even their cheerleaders are ugly.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by Kinnetaw 9 months ago
"On paper they have nothing to play for– no bowl games, rankings, or championships– yet they play like they have everything on the line."
Get your lists in, yadda yadda yadda
1. Psu 2. Osu 3. Msu 4. Minn 5. Mich 6. Nw 7. Neb 8. Iowa 9. Indiana 10. Wisky 11. Purdue 12. Illinois
This post was edited by Cbrenn44 9 months ago
Tooo many Wisconsin votes at 10. Thats just completely ridiculous. We still have Barry as our AD and now we have one of the best coaches in the country.
3) Penn State
4) Ohio State
5) Michigan State
Wow, that's terrible. Just terrible.
You mean like this?
Yeah, you're a vat of knowledge. By the way I'm so deep in your head you can't think straight. Whoever you are.
1. Ohio State - Not an Urban fan, but this one is a no-brainer. All the guy does is win.
2. MSU - Entering 7th year in the program. Good staff continuity, have won a good deal of conf games and some hardware to show for it. Get a lot out of their "unheralded" recruits. Dominant defenses. Have to get better in big games.
3. Northwestern - Young yet tenured coach with a foundation firmly entrenched. Perhaps nobody gets more out of their players than Fitzgerald. Just need to collect some hardware and get better at closing out games.
4. Nebraska - Pelini seems like a bit of a doofus, but he's good for at least 9 wins a year. Hasn't done much to marvel at, but has been good enough to keep his job.
5. UofM - Jury is still out. Only two years in a major conference isn't a very large sample size, and neither year resulted in a division title much less a conf title. Hoke is doing a good job in recruiting, but UM has always recruited well so this is nothing new. Really like Mattison as DC; that guy is their biggest asset by far, imo.
6. Iowa - They've had a few solid seasons, but Ferentz has been trending downward big time. It's almost like Ferentz got fat and happy with a few good years and a big fat paycheck and has been mailing it in since then. Dude has no fire or intensity. But longevity and totality puts them this high.
7. PSU - Solid first year for BOB all things considered, but it's just a one year sample size. Need to see how they respond this year.
8. Wisconsin - I might have them too low, but it's just hard to say with a first-year coach. I'm guessing things with Andersen will be a fairly seamless transition, but we'll have to wait and see.
9. Indiana - Wilson seems to be constructing a pretty effective offense in Bloomington. Still have a ways to go on defense. IU seems like the "old" Northwestern to me, i.e., the pesky team you have to watch out for, but they're not a real threat yet.
10. Minnesota - Kill hasn't done much to elevate the program. Then again, it's Minnesota.
11. Purdue - First year head coach at a historically mediocre program.
12. Illinois - Second year coach coming off a 2-10 season. Not much to get excited about here. Beckman seems like a passionate and intense guy, at the very least.
As you can see, I value experience over "what might be." I believe in earning your props instead of having them handed to you on a silver platter.
This post was edited by JEK 9 months ago
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
you have to offset the 10's. Only a moron would put them at 10
Lolz u a big dummy
Calculating now. Looks like Ohio State will be #1, but I have no clue who #2-6 will be. IL will be #12 and Purdue #11.
No, it's just homerish. Right now, Wisky is closer to a 10 than a 1. No one should put them ahead of OSU, PSU, Michigan, MSU, and NW, and they are still probably behind Iowa and Nebraska. IMO, I would also put Kevin Wilson ahead of Anderson at this time.
Phewww . . .
1. Ohio State - 2.26
2. Penn State - 3.36
3. Northwestern - 3.52
4. Michigan State - 4.32
5. Michigan - 4.39
6. Nebraska - 5.70
7. Minnesota - 7.46
8. Wisconsin - 7.60
9. Iowa - 8.41
10. Indiana - 8.57
11. Purdue - 10.64
12. Illinois - 11.74
Pretty big drop-off after the top 6, mostly due to a lot of unknowns and some disappointing recent seasons in Iowa City. Ohio State ended up the clear #1, with Northwester/PSU and MSU/UM tangling for the 2nd and 4th spots respectively.
Love our coaching staff.
Kevin Wilson should be higher
Rabble, rabble, hanging chads, rabble, rabble.
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