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Ill give a quick short answer, I'm sure 28 will answer the 4 questions. We have a good head coach as you all know, who has done a tremendous job given the situation.
We have arguably the best linebacker and defensive line coach in the nation in Coach Larry Jonhson and Coach Vanderlinden. Coach Butler is in his first year at D coordinator after serving as secondary coach last year. He is young, firery, and very smart. The players seem to really rally around him. Coach Midget will handle the safeties, and is in his first year.
To the offense. We have two former NFL coaches in Coach London at running back, and Coach Hixon at wide receiver. Coach McWorther coached offensive lineman at Texas and produced good NFL talent there. He came out of retirement to come coach at Penn State and has brought our line a long way. Coach Strollo coaches the tight ends, and obviously our tight ends have been great for us!
All of our coaches are great recruiters with LJ and London as two of our best IMO.
If it's simply a W-L ranking, then tell us what period it covers and post the numbers. Bill O'Brien has only been at PSU one season and Brady Hoke has only been at UM for two. but I have seen enough to know both are better than Kirk Ferentz who has many more W and a BCS bowl appearance.
Why? I ranked the teams as I saw fit, who are you to say I am wrong? Why do these if each team must be ranked within an acceptable range?
Stop whining, none of this matters, what happens on the field this fall does.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Minny's a bit high, but the rest I basically agree with.
Just to let you know, I think a ranking of 99,999,999 will likely greatly skew Illinois' vote downward .
4. Ohio State
6. Michigan State
Exactly. It's a lot harder to win at Utah State and Indiana than it is at Ohio State.
I said in the OP: Career record, Record while at the big 10 school and Big 10 record. That's to take into account guys that went elsewhere, but I'd put an emphasis on what the guy has done at his current school. I've amended the OP to reflect that, just so it's clear.
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And what happens on the field this fall will be affected by which players are NCAA eligible and have not gotten themselves suspended or kicked off the team (see OSU's 2011 season).
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1) Pelini is 49–20 overall, 12-4 in B10 conf, 29-11 (total conference record), 3-3 in bowl games (one bowl-win as our interim HC in 03).
2) No awards.
3) Other than losing grad-assistants, our staff is going to be the exact same as it was last season... The last time our staff was together for two+ years was the 08-09 seasons, so even if it doesn't translate to the success of the 09 team, it is reassuring to have not lose any key members of the staff.
Tim Beck, OC, has become one of the top OCs in the conference, and will be in his 3rd year calling plays for us.
4) No new coaches to mention. Only reason to expect improvement would be continuity, as well as having as many returning starters from a good offense last season.
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No, the INS isn't chasing him; Taylor Martinez just runs like that. . . .
I'll take a shot. PSU fan here and I can make a case why PSU has the best coaching staff in the B1G. First, Bill O'Brien. The guy took over a horrible situation at PSU last year and lost a bunch of starters when the sanctions came down. He instituted an entirely new system and led a team with Matt McGloin at QB to an 8-4 record winning multiple coach of the year awards. He's got NFL experience as Tom Brady's QB coach and he's killing it in recruiting despite the sanctions. The staff overall has a bunch of guys with NFL experience and the best holdovers from the old regime in Larry Johnson and Ron Vanderlinden. Plus Fitzgerald is a world class S&C coach. Here's my ranking.
That's great. But W-L record does not tell you which coach is better when one has coached at a power program and one has coached at IU or Utah State. And sorry, but recruiting is one of the most important functions of a staff. It must be part of the calculation.
Agreed. I value the ability to recruit over having assistants leaving the program.
1. Michigan (leads B10 w 12-4 record since Brady Hoke hired; best OC/DC tandem)
2. Penn State (1st replacement staff I would want if our current staff left)
3. Northwestern (2nd replacement staff I would want)
11. Michigan State
12. Ohio State
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Getting assistants promoted = dumbest criteria ever
1. Ohio State
2. Michigan State
4. Penn State
1) Jerry Kill has a career record of 136-89. Entering his third season, Kill has gone 9-16 in the first two (took over a mess, making progress).
2) 2010 FCA National Coach of the Year, 2009 NFF Courage Award, 2007 Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year, 2004 Eddie Robinson Coach of the Year, 2004 I-AA Region 4 Coach of the Year, 2004 Gateway Conf. Coach of the Year, 2004 Southwestern College Hall of Fame, 2003 I-AA Region 4 Coach of the Year, 2003 Gateway Conf. Coach of the Year.
3) The Kill's staff is the longest tenured in all of NCAA. This is the first in decades (for MN) that not one assistant has left in a 3 year period. Majority of his staff has been with him since the 90's.
It's a model Kill has utilized to develop every program he has ever touched. He isn't a guy that will show up and snap his fingers to make it dominant overnight. However the staff builds a solid foundation that has proven at previous stops to turn into strong winning programs.
Northern Illinois is the most recent example of a program that Kill's staff turned around. Majority of last year's Orange bowl team was brought in by Kill's staff.
They aren't the flashiest recruiters, but find guys that fit their system and do a very good job of developing to over perform. Kill's trend at previous stops is to simply improve year over year. Year one after taking over for Brewster only won 3, last year was still over-matched in a handful of B1G games but went bowl bound with 6 wins. I fully expect the incremental climb year over year to continue with Kill.
4) Kind of covered in long-winded reply above.
5) I'll wait to see others pitch before posting my list. I will admit I have Kill in the upper third of the B1G if we are talking quality of a coach. It's pretty clear already by some of the picks that many other factors besides a coaches actual ability are being factored.
Anyway, I also linked a background video on Kill
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5) Agreed. Kill is a damn good coach, it isn't easy winning in Minnesota in the current environment. I think he has a good shot ask anybody does of turning the program around.
6. Penn State
Mark Dantonio has a 69-45 overall record (9 seasons, 7.67 - 5 average), a 51-28 record (8.5-4.67 average) at Michigan State and a 30 - 18 Big 10 Record (6 seasons, 5-3 average). Michigan State has been to 6 straight bowl games under Dantonio, earned a Big 10 title in 2010 and a Legends Division title in 2011. The Spartans have finished the year ranked 3 times out of Dantonio's 6 seasons, 2008 (24th), 2010 (14th) and 2011 (10th Coaches, 11th AP).
The current staff has largely remained intact from Dantonio's 2007 debut: D-Coordinator Pat Narduzzi, DB coach Harlon Barnett, LB Coach Mike Tressell, TE/OL coach Mark Staten and QB Coach now OC/TE Dave Warner are still with the program.
The departures have been:
RB coach Dan Enos in 2009 (took HC job at Central Michigan, replaced by Brad Salem; still serving in that capacity),
OC/WR Coach Don Treadwell after 2010 ( took HC job at Miami(OH), replaced by OL Coach Dan Roushar as OC and by WR coach Terry Samuels),
OL/OC-TE Dan Roushar after 2012 (took assistant job with the Saints, Replaced by Dave Warner as OC (play-calling/gameplanning), replaced on OL by Staten, and Jim Bollman on TE/game planning OC) and
DL Coach Ted Gill after 2012 (did not have his contract renewed, replaced by Ron Burton, formerly with Air Force)
Fans are probably most excited about Burton, who did a solid job with an often-undersized Air Force defensive line. People are excited to see what he can do with the athletes MSU has on the defensive line. No one knows quite what to expect out of Warner, and Bollman is expected to work with the TEs and contribute to the overall game plan; Warner is going to call the plays on game day. The defensive staff is considered one of the best in the country, led by DC Pat Narduzzi, who was promoted to Associate HC this off-season.
Overall, this is a very solid coaching staff who stepped into a difficult situation: 3 straight losing seasons and a squad that had just 1 winning season in the past 5. Dantonio has done a lot to "raise the floor" of the program, so that MSU is going 6-6 in its rebuilding years instead of bottoming out at 4-8. The peaks have been pretty high, including a New Years Day bowl W over an SEC team, a Big 10 title and a CCG appearance.
As far as recruiting goes, the staff has 1 top 20 effort (2009, ranked 17th by Rivals) and another top 30 effort (2010, ranked #29 by Rivals). The recent classes have ranked somewhere between #31 - 40, though the current group ranks in the top 25 on every service outside of ESPN. I'd say the staff has exceeded expectations relative to the recruiting rankings, producing 3 top 25 finishes with just 1 top 25 class in the system. MSU won't be recruiting with the Ohio State's and Michigan's of the world, but they've done a fair job of staying within striking distance of Nebraska and right up there (or exceeding) teams like PSU, Iowa and Wisconsin.
Off-field (since apparently we're going to go there), it's been nearly 2 years since a Spartan has been arrested. There was definitely a dark time early in the regime, beginning with a player punching out a hockey player and ending with a big brawl known as "Rather Hall" in December of 2009, which gutted a chunk of Dantonio's first 2 recruiting classes. Since then, the incidents have been relatively minor and again, there hasn't been an incident since March of 2011. APR is fine; no risk of losing scholarships or anything like that.
I feel that this is a "Make or Break" year for the staff to show that it can continuously build championship contending teams. There's no doubt that 2012 was a rebuilding year, much like 2009: will MSU follow-up with a combined 22-5 record in 2013 and '14 like they did from '10-'11? Will MSU top-out at 7-8 wins? The fact that we're talking about those as possibilities is pretty impressive, given that Michigan State was just about where Illinois is now in the Big 10 pecking order when Dantonio took over. It's been a heck of a rebuilding job.
I don't think this staff is the best in the conference, but I think they deserve upper half consideration.
Agreed. No off the field issues either. I just revised my list to move them up.
Bill O'Brien. Everyone knows about him. So ill do his assistants.
Larry Johnson. Maybe the best dl coach in the country, no worse than top 3. Everyone knows LJ.
Vandy. Prob a top 3 lb coach in the country. Argument for number one.
Stan Hixon. 7 year nfl wr coach and wr asst hc for Saban at lsu for his first mnc. He is our wr coach.
Mac McWhorter. Long time Texas ol coach who is doing very nice here.
Craig Fitzgerald. The best strength coach in the county. There is no doubt about that. The man is a rock star, and just ask usce fans how awesome he was.
While we don't have the best hc yet, I think we may have the best staff.
Also, 1,2,3 here are all locks. Anything other than PSU Osu and Michigan up top is a joke.
I consider it a fair assessment. Honestly, I might've been better off adding another 9.
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